Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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they also supported them prior to this point. so I don’t think genocidal nazi groups get a pass just because they’re losing. and many of the people not supporting Hamas are in Gaza, because Hamas sees them as expendable martyrs.
as you like to say, history did not start on October 7th.
It's absolutely hilarious that he thinks anyone with a shred of humanity supports the group who proactively kicked off this current war on Oct 07, which led to Gaza basically being flattened.
It's absolutely hilarious that he thinks anyone with a shred of humanity supports the group who proactively kicked off this current war on Oct 07, which led to Gaza basically being flattened.
For Palestinians this “current war” has been ongoing for decades. For people reclining in their safe European homes who turned on the TV in 2023 it’s conveniently a new war and distinct from everything that happened previously.
Looking forward to this massive bellend pivoting to “I was always opposed to the mass murder of civilian families”.
For Palestinians this “current war” has been ongoing for decades. For people reclining in their safe European homes who turned on the TV in 2023 it’s conveniently a new war and distinct from everything that happened previously.
Looking forward to this massive bellend pivoting to “I was always opposed to the mass murder of civilian families”.
So at the start of the war when people were talking about mosques, schools, hospitals, businesses, etc getting flattened, we all just imagined the large-scale development that turned into large-scale destruction? I don’t see why people who support Palestine would pretend that this war is business as usual.
they also supported them prior to this point. so I don’t think genocidal nazi groups get a pass just because they’re losing. and many of the people not supporting Hamas are in Gaza, because Hamas sees them as expendable martyrs.
as you like to say, history did not start on October 7th.
I agree that genocidal Nazi groups like the USA and Israel should not get a pass. legitimate resistance against such groups is morally and legally correct.
objective reality matters and Hamas is not any way you describe in word or deed.
For Palestinians this “current war” has been ongoing for decades. For people reclining in their safe European homes who turned on the TV in 2023 it’s conveniently a new war and distinct from everything that happened previously.
Looking forward to this massive bellend pivoting to “I was always opposed to the mass murder of civilian families”.
None of that nullifies the fact that Hamas proactively started the present round of conflict, despite them having autonomy in Gaza. Fafo.
I agree that genocidal Nazi groups like the USA and Israel should not get a pass. legitimate resistance against such groups is morally and legally correct.
objective reality matters and Hamas is not any way you describe in word or deed.
Article 22 and Article 28 of the Hamas charter
Article Twenty-Two:
For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.
You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.
"So often as they shall kindle a fire for war, Allah shall extinguish it; and they shall set their minds to act corruptly in the earth, but Allah loveth not the corrupt doers." (The Table - verse 64).
The imperialistic forces in the Capitalist West and Communist East, support the enemy with all their might, in money and in men. These forces take turns in doing that. The day Islam appears, the forces of infidelity would unite to challenge it, for the infidels are of one nation.
"O true believers, contract not an intimate friendship with any besides yourselves: they will not fail to corrupt you. They wish for that which may cause you to perish: their hatred hath already appeared from out of their mouths; but what their breasts conceal is yet more inveterate. We have already shown you signs of their ill will towards you, if ye understand." (The Family of Imran - verse 118).
It is not in vain that the verse is ended with Allah's words "if ye understand."
Article Twenty-Eight:
The Zionist invasion is a vicious invasion. It does not refrain from resorting to all methods, using all evil and contemptible ways to achieve its end. It relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and according to its instructions. They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.
Arab countries surrounding Israel are asked to open their borders before the fighters from among the Arab and Islamic nations so that they could consolidate their efforts with those of their Moslem brethren in Palestine.
As for the other Arab and Islamic countries, they are asked to facilitate the movement of the fighters from and to it, and this is the least thing they could do.
We should not forget to remind every Moslem that when the Jews conquered the Holy City in 1967, they stood on the threshold of the Aqsa Mosque and proclaimed that "Mohammed is dead, and his descendants are all women."
Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the cowards never sleep."
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Some nice chaps we’re meant to support.
arent you the guy who always asks for links? Im betting that is from 1987 and has been updated. not that it matters anyway, they have every right to hate the invaders and Hamas indulging in stupid fantasies is not justification for anything Israel does.
arent you the guy who always asks for links? Im betting that is from 1987 and has been updated. not that it matters anyway, they have every right to hate the invaders and Hamas indulging in stupid fantasies is not justification for anything Israel does.
Yes it is from 1987, so what? They have adopted new policy documents but I don’t see anything revising their position on the Jews.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century...
This is not about a position on invaders. They claim Jews started a bunch of wars including WW2. They are antisemitic Jew haters and holocaust revisionists. It’s not some edgy boy posting.
Wrong.
Article 22 and Article 28 of the Hamas charterArticle Twenty-Two:For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream.
Churchill and Roosevelt weren't exactly "nice chaps" yet you'd have supported them.
Only one side here is trying to genocide the other. Just saying.
And anyway your point about nice chaps is moot.
Only one side here is trying to genocide the other. Just saying.
And anyway your point about nice chaps is moot.
It wasn’t a point, it was a pithy remark.
Hamas tried to genocide part of the Israeli population and promised to conduct more genocidal pograms. So you’re right, only one side is trying to genocide.
like, the USA is a genocidal empire full of racist psychopaths. but at least during the height of its killing sprees in Vietnam and Iraq there were large scale protests and widespread anger at the mass murder of innocents for fun and profit. contrast that with Israel where between 85-95% of Israeli Jews support this.
Not exactly. In January, 57.5% of Israelis polled favoured a hostage deal to end the Gaza war (the thing the Netanyahu government doesn't want, because, clearly, it wants to carry on depopulating Gaza).
https://en.idi.org.il/articles/57957
In February, 70% wanted to proceed to the second stage of the ceasefire (which the Netanyahu government didn't want to do), even though the public thought the first stage had favoured Hamas.
https://en.idi.org.il/articles/58114
In April, 68% favoured prioritising a hostage release, with only 25% in favour of prioritising the toppling of Hamas.
https://en.idi.org.il/articles/59019
There are anti-government protests in Israel.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/23...
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/isr... (In this case a large majority of Israelis are opposed to Netanyahu's defiance of a Supreme Court ruling, as noted in previous polls.)
Unfortunately for your worldview, there are also, and have been for some time, protests against Hamas by people in Gaza (at much greater risk than protestors face in Israel). While naturally hostile to the Zionists, they don't like being killed and starved and having their entire world laid waste and they don't think much of the Hamas extremists who got them into this mess.
It wasn’t a point, it was a pithy remark.
Hamas tried to genocide part of the Israeli population and promised to conduct more genocidal pograms. So you’re right, only one side is trying to genocide.
I do not think you want to see a numerical comparison of numbers of populations murdered, do you?
I asked you a very simple, circumspect question. You implied that because Israel had killed more people, that means that they are better described as committing a genocide over Hamas. However, Hamas had the intent to destroy in part a group of people for their ethnicity. Hamas had the intent to commit genocide on October 7th and took steps to carry this out.
At no time has Israel attempted to wipe out in part a population of Palestinians on the basis of their ethnicity. They have only sought military targets. They have expressed their intent to commit ethnic cleansing, but that’s not the same thing as genocide.
its impressive to be so consistently wrong. like, you guys make a post and within seconds of passively scrolling the news your entire premise is show to be completely wrong with the words of your own heroes. I would be embarrassed but I differ from you in my ability to feel shame.
