2025 WSOP!!

Well gg is misleading the prizepool. They are showing/saying the prizepool only with the casino rake and not the staff fee.

E.g. if its a 330+20+50. They are saying its a 350+50 and the prizepool being 350. And then at bottom say fees deducted from prizepool.

What are you talking about? I didn't mention anything about December. In any event, the walk is almost entirely indoors.

A pdf with all of the structures is on wso... - doesn't seem to be visible on the mobile site though.

Yeah, I’m certain the banks are not giving the WSOP a break. If the WSOP isn’t charging the fee, then they’re eating it. It sounds like the Payal option is working like one would want it to work… a player getting the benefits of using a card (pay over time, points, not needing to carry cash, etc) without paying the fee.

However, if I try this, I will definitely dip my toes in slowly in a smaller buy in event. And like I have suggested elsewhere, will be on the lookout for how my specific credit card issuer treats the transaction. At best it will be a regular purchase. At worst it will be treated as a cash advance, which has both fees and costs interest in a very disadvantageous way (they usually apply payments to purchases first, before applying them to the cash advance so that you get charged interest even if you pay off the cash advance immediately).

The fees are in fine print beer the bottom of the structure sheets. I don’t get this other than being a sign of disdain for customers. It’s 2025, not 2007. Didn’t the poker community already have the whole “hidden fee” discussion long ago and came up with a fair representation off the costs of an event with the whole X+y+z format?

Every tournament should show exactly how much money is being taken out of the buy-in. If they want to break it up into different kinds of fees, the whatever. But it doesn’t really matter to players.

The Venetian does it this way so there is no confusion, no fine print, no mistaking exactly what the fees are. Why can’t the WSOP do the same?

Thx Sir . Very Useful.

Last year they didn't, don't think they will. Please don't call them to give them ideas.

Thank you! I just started a new job after being unable to find anything since December so while I generally would never recommend paying for a tournament on credit, this is my one exception given the circumstances. Had this ****ing trip planned since last July and it was not getting canceled.

I thought about exactly what you're saying-giving them the idea. So let's hope that's not the case but if it is can someone please update me and let them thread know.

Can you deposit through an ACH deposit prior to getting verification? Thanks for the help. I have already down loaded and completed registration on the app.

How long are the verification lines today? Does anyone know how long after verification for credit cards does it take to use the card ? Also how long does it take to load through ach? Im trying to figure out my best option, im coming for milly maker and i should get there around 10 on the 20th but plan on playing the 21. Ideally id like to play some satellites on the 20th . Id like to hear what is working the best for you guys. I am assuming you can still register with cash at the window as long as you have the wsop app verified? I appreciate any input

You're coming on June 20th? I'm guessing verification lines will be much more manageable by then, as more and more people will already be verified.

I've been following the app convo fairly closely and from what I'm ascertaining the ACH line has generally been much shorter than the cash line. This will probably be even more true as the series progresses as people will be going back to reload cash while ACH only has to be done once.

I'm flying into Vegas tomorrow night and my plan is to take some cash, but if the cash line is too long I'll go to the ACH line instead and do it that way. I'll try to make a follow-up post if I learn anything that hasn't already been discussed.

There are many reasons, but the main ones are:

(1) they don't care about you,

(2) they don't care about your opinion, and

(3) money.

There’s something off about the WSOP this year. The energy feels low, the spectacle more mundane, and even the sound of chips riffling seems muted compared to years past. Overall, people just don’t seem to look like they’re enjoying it as much as before. It’s odd.

Oh that’s not encouraging!!

Between first 2 days of attendance in Mystery Million is 2000 less than last year.

There's some tournaments that dont even show the staff fee like on the deep stacks and satellites!

😮 Numbers? That sounds inflated, albeit discouraging af!!!

I was out in LV for three days May 25-28. Primarily to play the Venetian Deep Stack Seniors $600 buy-in tourney. I also wanted to get my WSOP+ account verified. What a veritable ****-show the verification turned out to be! I went over to HS/Paris on Monday evening around 7:30pm and found a security guard blocking access to the WSOP registration area. I chatted with him briefly and he said it was because they were still trying to get everything worked out. So next I ambled over to the Paris cage where I encountered a very long line for verification. I asked the person at the head of the line how long they had been waiting. His answer: over two hours and he thought the line was currently longer than when he entered it. So I turned tail and decided there was no way I was going to wait in line for over two hours just to get verified. So I returned to HS/Paris the next day (Tues, 5/27) around noon. Now the WSOP registration area was open but it looked like chaos was reigning -- huge lines and confusion everywhere. I asked if there was a Diamond/7star line and was told there was, but I could not find it. The WSOP registration area appeared much worse than what I found the night before at the Paris cage. So once again I left and later found some instructions for wsop+ registration/verification that said there was also a location at the Normandy Ballroom. So I went up there as a last resort, and found a much shorter line (but moving very slowly and being serviced by just 4 employees at the cages up there). So I decided to go ahead and enter the line. It took approximately one hour, but I was able to get verified. Talking to others in line there was a guy who had pre-registered (and paid) for the Industry Employee Event that was scheduled to start at 2pm. But he was stuck in the line waiting to get verified even though he had already paid for his entry. The lesson from this: make sure to get verified at least one day before your first event!

After getting verified, I went on the WSOP+ app and tried registering for a random tournament. It then took me to a payment link where there were the various choices. I selected Paypal, and it appeared to be ready to go. I didn't actually pay because I am coming back to the WSOP on June 10 for two weeks and will register for the tournaments I decide to play at that time.

Here are my observations/suggestions for the WSOP/GG to improve this terribly customer-unfriendly process:
1. Try to come up with a method of doing online verification, similar to what is done for US Passports -- images of your identification (DL or Passport), a selfie that meets requirements, and your Caesars Rewards number). I realize this is not likely to be done in the near future so below are other ideas.
2. Set up a system where you register with the app to get verified and it texts you when you are at the head of the line. This would greatly reduce the huge lines and be similar to the system restaurants use to handle their waiting list.
3. Hire a gaggle of temporary employees to handle verification. Probably will never happen due to cost.
4. Allow verification to last a few years so we don't have to go through this nightmare every year. As long as driver's license and Caesars Rewards numbers stay the same, everything done this year should still apply next year.

GL to all.

Hopefully that's just a temporary effect from the validation debacle. I imagine spending hours waiting in line would dampen the mood for a lot of people. Especially for people that already had the app downloaded and set up and were thinking this verification would be a simple step.

I would bet some of these low initial buy-in numbers are also directly related to the horrible processes in place.

Like I'm flying in tomorrow night and was initially planning to play the Friday morning flight of the Mystery Millions. Now with what I'm hearing I'm debating going to play Friday at Aria instead.

Having your ID verified for the app shouldn't be such a monumental task

The Tamayo effect. Who wants to play against a bunch of solvers? Just kidding (kind of)

The Casino or Industry Event had a sharp drop off from last year.
1189 in 2024 but only 914 this year.

I bought using my credit card for the mystery. The transaction is pending, but the merchant type says "Ticket agencies and theatrical producers", so no cash advance.

It's a nice surprise that you don't have to pay the credit card fee (~3%) as in previous years. For those of us playing multiple tournaments, will save us a good amount.

Also, I went at 4AM for the verification process, no line at all, you just need to do it when nobody does it and you'll get no line at all.

You'll use the app a lot. For example, when breaking your table, your new table will appear in the app. When you arrive at the new table, you will need to show your ID, the dealer can see the names of all the players, everything is automated. No more dealing for high card. I think all these changes will be good for the game.

David

It's a gimmicky event and maybe the gimmick is getting tired.

Yes. You need to be careful with the bad dealers. They need to input when a player is eliminated so the software knows the seat is open.

Went in to verify today. Took 10 minutes total. Lines way down but we'll see how friday/sat hold up but as more and more ger verified, there'll be less lines.

The verification madness sounds a lot like the October 2021 WSOP. What a complete sh/t show that was. But of course, everyone was just so happy to be able to have a WSOP that people just dealt with it.

As for the mood, I feel like there’s a fair bit of uncertainty in the world and that has an effect either directly or through osmosis. Uncertainty isn’t necessarily a bad thing. You’d think after coming through a pandemic and all the nuttiness that caused, people would be more able to deal with change. I don’t get that sense though.