The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

its probably just grinders honestly . The sitncrush and beast rake back systems on ACR are pretty much free money, so guys are definitely taking advantage and grinding that.

I would recommended trying at different hours, if you dont feel like battling those regulars.

ACR has definitely cleaned up alot of the issues facing the online poker industry,

i play there all the time and its great option for when i dont feel like going to the casino to play.

GTO partnership with fair play check has saved online poker and make it safer to play. ACR adapted that years ago, I wish all the sites would just agree and follow suit.

Sorry, but I won't go into detail about your pathetic verbal acrobatics. You are clearly mentally not right in your head.
I challenged you in live poker and you try to wriggle out of it with online poker offers. You are just pathetic. Jesus if I were you I would be ashamed to even exist.

Because a sane person would wait 5 months and fly to a not yet named capital in Europe to play 400nl vs somebody who is so delusional and sick to think that every site is rigging against him and others have favored accounts?? If you lose live, i suppose the others have a favored dealer or something.

You were talking (read: lying) about your online winnings and claiming your superior so you challenged and i accepted. Then you wriggled out with outrageous demands because you are scared as **** to play. Once again, we can start tonight, just grow a set of balls.

But then again, you've already summarized yourself to perfection:

The living dunning-kruger effect, everybody

Mike Mike Mike, all you show is facts and numbers. That is no way to analyze poker.
You should analyze poker with a higher level insanity and ridiculous levels of resentment towards poker.
Of course nobody has ever proven the RNG is rigged but what does that mean if you feel a burning anger deep inside of you that tells you that you are not losing because you suck at poker, its because the world is plotting against you. A gut feeling and a refusal to acknowledge that you are bad at poker are way stronger indicators than facts and proven data. Of course 99% (if not 100%) of winning players disagree with John but thats what makes him special. And thats part of why he will never be a winning player.

John has already wasted 500k+ hands at online poker by losing at microstakes. And I wont dare to put a number on how many hours he has wasted on making mindless excel sheets and screenshots. The guy clearly has a very healthy relationship with poker and seems like an all-round perfectly balanced human being. No matter if its poker, financial analysis or coaching tennis, he is of expert level at everything. Those arent facts of course, in fact they are complete fiction, but they are part of his gut feeling and anger towards every aspect of his life failings which is far more telling than something meaningless as the objective truth.

Mike, thank you for investigation of the case!

"Looking at the AKs hand, you're going to win 47% of the time, so folding AQ when you "feel" that one of your 2 opponents has AA, KK, QQ or AK doesn't seem like a good strategy, in case your feeling is wrong. You're going to beat him 22% of the time he has AKs, anyway."

Look, we are talking about predicting something in the game.

In case I can predict, that one of my opponents got AKs behind my AQo hand - folding this is a right decision. Do you agree with this?

If I'm able to push A5s against 7 opponents, I think that you understand - I do not fold EVERY AQo. I folded the concrete AQo in the concrete moment of the game flow.

Do you mean, that I shouldn't fold EVERY AQo? I agree here. I don't fold every time I get AQo. I only fold, when I know (it's not about feeling, it's an algorithm) that the software put me on AQo to take off the game.

"I think you have wasted a great deal of your time and effort in trying to convince them that folding, let us say "unusually", is the way forward for them."

My point is that the game is predictable.
But it shouldn't be predictable.

Mike, it's important, that I don't recommend anyone to play like that - the software of the room won't let you win more, then you are allowed to win in the room. But while understanding this, players can realize that the game is a sequence of predictable (!) in game situations.

Do you understand my point?

"99% of winning players who study their own thorough statistics will disagree with you."

It's important to understand, that 99% of winning players are satisfied with what is going on in iPoker. It's senseless to discuss rigging of the game with these people. You disagree? Can you imagine someone who "somehow" earn money playing online will be against the room he plays in?

"but as no one has ever provided acceptable proof that it isn't"

I have provided the proof, and I have sent it to gambling supervisors -

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

In case this is not enough. I can't do more for the community of players. I won't fight for this while missing my own life aims. Since no one is interested in this information, I don't see a reason to try that hard.

I've boiled down your post to the above statements that I'm disputing.

If any one of them was true, then you would be able to play an unbeatable game over a relatively short series. You'd be a major winner, without a doubt.

As you don't yet seem to be willing or able to play games on Twitch or somewhere where we can all watch you in action, live, predicting the opponents' cards before they're dealt, then how about this for an alternative and easy starter?

Go off-forum for a few days and play a series of, say, 51, or, better, 102 low value Sit and Gos, and then our friend Slugant will show us your results.

That's it. No big deal. Easy-peasy.

We'll pick it up again from there.

Good luck!

The two most preditable things are:
1) John will lose at poker
2) John will blame someone or something other than himself and no matter what data or proof is out there, he will stick to his mental story

Mike, EXACTLY (sorry for caps))

This is what I did and shared with you all

Here are 92 tournaments (double or nothing hyper-turbo) where I push clearly KNOWING what my opponents got almost EVERY push. It's impressive, by the way.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MQJooyc...

Hope, Slugant won't say -

He is not about watching a real gaming statistics. He avoids this. So, it's no way to prove unless I play several streams. But even if I do so, he will just say "I got lucky few times in several games..." lol.

No, you have played 11k+ tournaments and are picking out 92 tournaments to your liking. That is not how it works John and i actually think on some level you know that.

Why not LIVE-stream a session because then we see uncut (and this very important!) predictions. But you are avoiding this. If you are truly certain about your algorithm you wouldnt avoid streaming live, you can finally prove some people wrong.
Like i said before, In the replayer i am an excellent predictor as well😉

Lol, okay, I will try to do that.

I did that for the Russian forum. But I don't like that I commit some mistakes, because commenting and counting everything at the same time is really hard.

(I need to remember sequence of all the hands I got dealt in the last 4-5 tournaments... It's not that easy like you may think. It's a long sequence of hands some of which are used by the software to reduce EV of the player).

Anyway, okay, I will try to record it after I publish the results of communicating with Supervision Authorities.

Guys, I will be right back. I didn't manage to read the chat attentively today. I have seen some awesome messages. TD was on fire lately

But you said before the algorithm was simple and proven, now it seems more like mental gymnastics

But John, try to read carefully one more time, because you keep on misunderstanding. And I dont know if you do it on purpose or not.

You dont record a session. Because you could record 10 sessions and show the best one. You keep seeing stuff like this as proof but you cant cherry pick data.
Its like me saying doing a survey with 100 russians and 5 of them are hackers. Instead of looking and all the data and saying 5% of of this group are hackers, I do the Johnmir-way and 'pick the data'. So I focus only on those 5 hackers and say "see in my data all of the russians are hackers"
This is what you do constantly and its not how analysis is done, therefore I dont believe for a second you are an expert financial analysis. And my suspicision is confirmed by you telling people you are an expert poker player, only with the results of a very terrible one.

So again John, dont record a session. Livestream a session!
So its certain is uncut real data. If you truly know the RNG nothing can go wrong for you.
If you livestream and predict cards at a significantly higher rate than you should, I for the first time will believe something of what you say.
If you dont maybe deep down you know the claims you make about the RNG are unfounded.

Here are some real gaming statistics for you, and instead of a measly picked 92 tournaments I show all your tournaments at ipoker:

You keep on avoiding this truth!
But you will just say "those few I won were fair, all that i lost was because of a rigged rng"

Look, Slugant, I thought you didn’t read my posts attentively, cause they were long. But once JustJoke produced a long post you also missed the meaning… It’s concentration, man. Btw, tennis is very useful in this case. If you start playing, you will be more concentrated in life, no kidding ))

Let’s watch together –

After all this, you say “it appeared JustJoke is right”. So, you confirm lies. Good job.

Though, you have already lied here in the topic 3? 5 times? So should “We” consider any information from you as a true information without a special check?

You say I’m loosing micros, but when I play micros I show every of my playable hand after a game cone. My opponents watch every of my hand in play. I do not play micros to other purpose then testing the software or showing players what is going on.

May be you just support the fraud by any price, while lying accusing people with no evidence, insulting?

Really? Do you mean that since some guy come here and lie about me, then shouldn’t I say – he is a shame of the nation?
He comes here, defending the fraud, while lying about his fellow-citizen. In my opinion – this is simply unacceptable. Really the shame.

What other purpose would he lie about me then not defending the fraud? Any other reasons? Pretty obvious. If I was just wrong in my calculations or statements, would he lie about me?

It is calls “an assumption” in mathematics. Assumptions are used to reduce time for the research preparation (not to check odds for every hand but using an average estimation) and to reduce complexity of the calculation. This time I was out of a free time for the research and made a conservative estimation.

Yes, in case the game was fair. But it’s obviously not.
At the same time I can admit that I played micros to test the software, so you could go for “you didn’t play these game optimal”, but it’s a long story then. I had to play it “irrational” due to rigging and, as the result, the software rigged it even more rigid way.

I’m not a professional player, man, I have already said that several (? 5-10 times aready!) times. I’m a profession LEVEL player.
Comparing to you – you are a professional player. But you are not a professional level player, since you can’t recognize wrong odds in poker games organized by iPoker.

Wow, man.
Lol, I got a sit-out player, checked his hands until a show down. And got his hands opened. No problem, you can check all the hand history if I decided to refuse to take into account other hands. But guess what – you will find that I haven’t got more data to include in the analysis.

450 hands are all the hands I played to open my opponent’s hands. I didn’t “choose” anything. I haven’t got more hands with all the card consequently opened.

Lol, working with the information is not for you… man. Or try to concentrate ))

These hands are not available. Only results of it. Lol, man, I mean, you don’t understand even this. That you can’t analyze the statistics without the statistics.

Anyway, if you open all the hands of your opponents – send us, would be interesting to watch. I only got those consequent 431 + 450 flops (non-paired hands)

Lol.

Anyway, you have already said “I won’t download anything from lunatic like you”.
Something like “We won’t watch your games of 100 correct pushes in a row, because you chosen it” – lmfao, hundreds of pushes in a row made with no mistake and I “chosen it”. My man… Lol, I have not idea how to explain this actually, since you don’t understand this kind of stuff, you do not understand what “dependency” is. In simple words, you don’t see any logic in any data. What the hell, lol.

I mean, you are not going to watch anything that could prove the game is rigged. But I’m not sure everyone else will follow you.

Lmao. You are missing the information again… Amazing (not 3338).

In April-May I played
6 times - 0,5$ Bounty MTTs, I won 0,87 Euro (for Gipsy Team chat, to describe the game and to analyze flop hitting of a folded hand)
5 times – 0,5$ SnG Bounty, I won 0,21 Euro
8 times – heads-ups with my partner-female player to repeat the sit-out test on the 22nd of April (2 games accidental joining of another player 1-1 score). I was just check-folding those sit-out games.

Anyway, who care, you type anything you want, half of the info you provide – pure lying about someone is talking about a fraud in online poker sphere.

Man, the whole world knows, for example, if you just registered your account in the room, or you haven’t played for a while in the room – you will get an upstreak and THE IS NO ANY knowledge of any algorithms which could help me to win. It’s a rigged game. More than that, I have already said – knowing of the algorithm is not helping to win on a distance, only in a short period of time on MTTs. Because the software, obviously, control bankrolls of players, that is why you got these “WAVES” of winning and loosing games which you, genius online pros call – VARIANCE.

You don’t know anything about the variance, except this 8 letters word, since you don’t even know how to calculate it rofl.

Online challenge is a joke, I mean, no kidding, when I have heard about CoinPoker cash world championship... Well, unfortunately I haven't played in the room, but it sound like a joke for me. Adult people act like kids. The only chance Coin is not as rigged as Party/Stars/iPoker. But what are the chances, lol?

Yes, according to my information the results of gaming seriously depend on the activity in the room. It’s not a 100% info, since I didn’t analyze the statistics. It’s only my observations and comparison to regular players I know.

I don’t think that the software knows you play other site simultaneously.

I didn’t play multitabling because when I tried I realized that I have to reduce quality of playing. High level bluff is simply impossible while playing several tables simultaneously, cause you need to control other players timing/bet sizes/lines for that. But it’s a professional poker, mate. I mean, it’s not a talk about “wow, I got a stats for this player! I know what to do!” – what do you know? Ah, the room pays you for been active, I just remembered! Okay, you are a good player then, sure!

😃

Well, I react every comment regarding the research, but you don't manage to provide many arguments.

Sure! Done.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Can you imagine, It have been already noticed years ago in 888 Poker room!

Money are awesome when they are earned in a fair job. Of course you can earn with killing people/rubbing old ladies, but this is not what i'm dreaming for 😀

Johny? you f***g liar. I'll prove it.

I think you are the one not having attention because you only respond to certain parts, when is the livestream of you guessing outcomes huh?

Who is we? Its just you and one other bitter loser. I havent lied while your lies have been regurly debunked. Your view of poker and your skillset is wrong, I know this is hard must you must accept it one day.

This is a lie for instance, you know your results are online right? It shows you never played higher than micros. You can tell yourself you play it to "test" but its clear to everyone else is that you only play micros because you never beat it

This is laughable, its like me saying Messi isnt a professional level player footballer, he just plays professional football. Where I am actually a professional level footballer but I play at my local amateur club to "test the fairness of the game". John, there is 0% evidence you are a professional level player and the only one that believes it is you. I dont know if you are taking too much pills or not enough but something is going wrong in your brain. And you that even if the odds are wrong, there are players winning and making a living out of it. And there are players who are losing at micros, like you. There is big distinction.

Thats not a lot of information to make those claims on now Johnny, this is very poor work from a professional analyst. I am working with all the information out there, and it says you are a microstakes loser with zero knowledge of poker.

You didnt read me well again because I said before I will definitely watch you livestream and predicting the outcomes, because that would be the closest thing to proof you provided. But just like the challenge, I dont think you dare to do this. Because deep down you know you're full of ****.

This shows you dont know anything or cant accept variance. Btw, you cant just say "the whole world knows" and then make a claim and think thats truth. The whole world knows you are a microstakes loser with a grudge against poker, for instance. Even though that one is true. You dont believe in bad runs or good runs, its the software that controls winning or losing waves?? John, you are a truly sick individual. Get help. We are not living in the matrix and poker rooms aren't busy with making you lose. You can do perfectly fine on your own.

In your mind those chances are slim, but guess what, you dont have dont clue. Of course you dodge challenges, because you know you will lose. Because you already have played half a million hands at microstakes while losing. Which means the true joke here is Johnmir.

I have, but you skip over them because even a sick mind cant think of an excuse for everything. Its all picked data. You dont look at the overall sample but choose little samples that fit your narrative. Your data is just excel sheets where you fill in the numbers, this proves nothing. If I make an excel sheet that says Johnmir talks out of ass 100% of the time, does that prove anything? NO, and neither do you excel sheets. You claim to know a lot about poker and thats why you "know stuff" but over 540k+ microstakes hands you are losing which proves clearly you know nothing about poker.
So theres off the top of my head 5 or 6 disagreements with the material that provided before, but you read selectively. Just like you look at online poker selectively.

How will you do it? If I just don't lie, I don't need it. I uploaded statistics that anyone can easily check! ))

The fun is that my hand history IS NOT collected by tracker, it was downloaded DIRECTLY from the room's (iPoker's) data base. My Holdem manager 2 didn't record the stats properly, and one of Gipsy Team members suggested me to download it from iPoker's (Red Star's) client program. I mean, if you manage to find some problems with stats, you can call Red Star's managers directly, lol.

John doesnt lie, of course.
He is just an professional level player (professional level everything) with statistics like these, that anyone can easily check 😀

Ladies and gentlemen, the beautiful mind of an "expert level player"

And since excel sheets prove something in the mind of Johnmir, here is 100% proof John is wrong:

WOW just look at these at these numbers. 100% of what is he says is not true. I literally proven this now 100% and if you argue with me on this you are a paid shill by the lizard people!

According to why John is losing, he lies about this as well. Although he might actually think this is true when he says "the software, obviously, control bankrolls of players, that is why you got these “WAVES” of winning and loosing games which you, genius online pros call – VARIANCE."

Even though every winning player understands and accepts variance poor mentally ill John thinks its because of software controlling the bankroll of players. And he got the raw end of the deal, all the major sites decided to make him a microstakes loser and others constant winners even though he is far far superior.

John, you can never accuse anyone of lying, your whole life is a big fat lie.

I do have to say: clubs and global are the most absurd poker experiences I have ever had.

well, thats enough proof for me. These sites are 100% rigged as well!!

It’s the best reaction you can afford, otherwise, it may accidently appear that you didn’t manage to recognize a rigged game, while playing “poker”. So, since we got hundreds of people, who can’t even understand a pretty understandable stuff after my explanations, you can feel good. If you were me – yeah, you would be able to stay on your position vs huge number of players on different forums :P Good that you are here in the company of people who earn money playing the scam. Can’t imagine you defending your position when it slightly “differs” from others thoughts.

I just prove that Slugant misleads players. Otherwise I wouldn’t even discuss my results on micro limits. It’s stupid. My gaming results are not ANY connected to the topic of rigging in iPoker.

Yeah, you take part in the scam and earning the money, good job. But it’s not a dream for me… I prefer to earn money while talking to people, exchanging experience, living a full life.

This is exactly what you do. Money is a necessary thing for life. Like an air, water, food. Thanks god I’m a bit differ from other animals to only care about basic things which just keep me being alive.
In easy words, I’m not ANY impressed by your results, lol, especially when it is not about skill in game.

I haven’t played standard poker for a pretty long time, so if I start to play right now, I don’t think I will demonstrate the level of top 1% of players. But in 1-2 months of training on some decent limit I would come back to top 1%. I think so.

But, it’s important to test this in a real game, it’s just my “expectations”. In this case I totally agree with other players that if we compare our own level to others – it’s a competition on some acceptable distance. It should be checked in a fair game.

You are right at some point.
Why I said that.
Imagine you walk on the street and see someone shoot another guy. And, accidently, this “someone” appeared to be the country president’s relative.
You come to the court and say “I saw this guy shooting”.

Now, compare this to my situation. I saw something (even though, you don’t believe/understand my materials) – that was an obvious rigging of the game. And I played huge number of games where players shown their “mucked” cards, I guess 90% of players hands on a distance of thousands of tournaments.

Yes, after all this I say – if they “skip” my materials, the market is unregulated. If a pure rigging is normal nowadays – okay than. GL, wish you (guys) a happy life in a crime world.

I know what I know, lol. I just try to explain it to players to rise chances to end this scam someday. But if you don’t understand my materials – ok, I can accept that. But I’m simply sure Gambling Supervision Authorities DO understand my materials. There is no chance, they misunderstood something. The question is – are they interested in the scam to continue? That’s all. This is how I see this.

Haha! Man, you are winning, don’t be mean! ))
Seriously, I said that about guys who lie about me to protect the fraud. I don’t remember you insulted/lied about me, man. You just disagree, this is totally different.

About Party. Look, I started my investigations from this room. Yes, the game on Party is fun, when you –
- Never hit the flop 100 flops in a row
- Then you “suddenly” start to loose EVERY allin – 20 tournaments in a row
- Then you “suddenly” start to meet AK vs AQ – 10 tournaments in a row
Lol, they just work to a pure algorithm. Probably, I will publish this someday. But this is a hard analysis. People don’t even understand this easiest analysis about iPoker where they just openly rigged the game…

Lol, man, you were lying about me once again, but looks like you can’t relax, yes, you didn’t expect I can prove I developed the software. But don’t worry, you have already missed too many times 😃

I don’t guess the turn and the river, because I can’t control this. It’s senseless. The software controls the game.

The thing that I can control “if I have got the best hand on the table now?” – then I can push it, even if it is A2o from UTG (7 players behind me). And my task is to show you, that I can push again and again without being “caught”, and, at the same time, I fold premium hands in situations, where some guys behind me got a better hand.

In other words, you will see that I know what hand I can play, and what hand I can’t – BEFORE anyone took any decision.

Haha, good speech. Thank you for formulating it so well, MRP.

Slugant is too far from accepting a live challage, he won’t get a set flopped on a huge pot in a right moment there, he will have to play poker. But he is not a poker player, don’t forget that!))

The whole situation is funny. You suggested him to play a match. He refused, okay, it’s normal. Then he suggests you an online rigged game match, while we discuss that the game on the biggest rooms are rigged… I mean, well, I think it’s not the best thread (The Great Rigged Debate) to suggest playing online matches …

I didn’t suggest to play at all, because I don’t play poker at the moment (I only play online to demonstrate the software’s work). If I decide to play – I will move to some offline place.

What do you mean you would come back to top 1%? You realize you have never played higher than 10nl right? And that was with a -20bb lossrate.. how is that even close to top 1%? Its more likely you are in the bottom 1%

You know poker is more than shoving the best hand right? Well, looking at your results probably you dont. If you are shoving a2o from UTG I get why you are such a loser at microstakes. But I love to see you livestream where you can predict to shove A2 correctly, but if someone calls with a better hand, does that mean you are proven wrong in your eyes?

You could have easily shown this graph as well you know.
But why do keep on insisting on focussing on a part of the graph instead of the whole thing?

And even then, you see that in 3k tournaments you made $40
Just like a top 1% player 😃😃🙂
Over 7k tournaments you've lost $100... playing at the microstakes vs players who are just as terrible as you. How can you keep on thinking that you have any skill whatsoever? Let alone calling yourself top 1% players, you know their peak was not being $40 up right?

Johny, Let's get started. It's gonna be a lot of letters. So you're writing:
" [It’s a lie, should I provide screen shots of messages of people who support my ideas?]"

No one believes you on the Russian forum except two people - crazy ssi and troll Abdo

" [It’s a pure lie, should I send you a screen shot where I explain, that I was banned 1-2 hours after my petition to The CuracaoEgaming regarding iPoker fraud. I didn't say a word about danger for iPoker regarding the situation of my ban]"

Its f***g LIE. in this post the person says you got banned for flooding.
"So the author was even banned in the flooder chat for flooding. He generated an endless stream of heresy and insanity around the clock. Here are a couple of examples from an “expert level player”.
Maybe it will be useful for someone to decide poker."
https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?viewtopic=178768&view=findpost&p=7985575

in this message write that you fucked people's heads in chat about freerolls and NL2
https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?viewtopic=178768&view=findpost&p=7991559

In this post you yourself write that you have posted many times about cheating and you have not been banned. You've been in this chat for months
https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?viewtopic=178768&view=findpost&p=8014297

And you weren't banned for Curaçao, but for your complaint to the Russian Tax Service!!!!

An interesting case was when JonMir was asked what his winrate was. And he went to google to find out what a winrate. LOL. REALLY [It’s a lie, a telegram chat member didn’t ask me about my winrate, he asked me about reaction of the software in case of a high player’s winrate, totally different question]

You were asked specifically about winrate! and you said terminology was important and went to look it up on the internet.
the guys on this site will be able to translate a screenshot with a smartphone.
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https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?viewtopic=178768&view=findpost&p=7986824

here is your post about the moderator of 2+2 in Russian. Let the guys here translate it themselves:
я лично общаюсь с модератором форума 2+2.

Он сам мне написал, что на 888 обратил внимание, что есть такая тема, что ты когда сбрасываешь руки, то тебе начинают показывать, что ты попал БЫ во флоп. Типа "а не провоцирует ли меня софт 888 Poker на вход в игру?".
Он тоже идиот? Это человек в курсе ВСЕГО ВООБЩЕ, что происходит в покерном мире.
Я ему ответил, что я в чате Ред Стара поднимал ту же тему. На АйПокере это точно есть по моим наблюдениям.
https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?viewtopic=178768&view=findpost&p=8016290

so which one of us is the liar, Johnny?

Mike, you know EVERYTHING. That's what Johnny said

Lmao what a clown