Israel/Palestine thread

I have no problem if Israel is making allies in Gaza to assist them. Given the obvious intelligence they have had to successfully assassinate pretty much every Hamas leader, it would seem obvious they do have allies inside.

That being said, there aren't any Israeli soldiers in those clips, nor is anyone looting in any of those clips. So yeah, I am going to go ahead and proclaim that is not conclusive evidence Israeli soldier are collaborating with armed gangs to loot. If you are going to provide conclusive proof of looting, shouldn't there be some looting going on at some point in your evidence?

It kind of sucks we dont actually have a real media. Because it would be nice to have some kind of journalism investigating how we got to the point where the UN was calling what is going on in Gaza a famine, and declaring 14,000 babies would die in 48 hours (which was completely made up), while having full warehouses of food being guarded by gunmen who are killing Palestinians trying to get in.

And while all of this is going on, the UN is refusing to cooperate with the Israel/US contractors that are actually handing out food (without extorting the people for it); as opposed to UN warehouses were people are shot trying to get to food.

At some point we have to address the elephant in the room, that the UN and NGO rackets are a giant part of the problem, not the solution.

It seems pretty clear that the looting of air convoys and attacks on the field hospital points to a fractured authority structure which is going to show face after what has lead up to this. In simple terms, if everyone is hungry, the ones holding the guns get a better shot at deciding who gets the food.

It might not even be Hamas leadership, but smaller armed groups inside doing what they want because no one is in charge, so violence and theft follows. It could be anyone and we could never know from sitting at a comp screen.

Israel is obviously loving the infighting but Iran gets to maintain its leverage against Israel with its future fighters without having to do ****. Everyone wins. But it's always lol Iran, for the winner of creating the most cowardice, failed economic state off of the backs of kids - and still sucking at doing that.

Just googling recent stats from Iran's emigration of educated people, its poverty line and a 40 ****ing percent inflation rate to temporarily serve the 25 Goose Necks in charge for the next 20 years instead of the 100 million people there.

Stopped reading. You're a bigot and I've nothing more to say to you. You really are-an odious excuse for a human being.

“Stopped reading” yet repeated a word I used to describe you.

LOOOL Corporal Vile, Muslim hater and genocide supporter

When I say I stopped reading one of your posts, that’s what happened because it was obviously just going to be a rehash of the same old nonsense you’ve contrived to deflect from your embarrassing support of a genocide in progress that you’re in too deep to ever extricate yourself from.

Even your own centrist government thinks you’re a bigoted extremist, you repulsive little man.

Literally none of those articles mention ISIS.

Hamas has given their response to the latest ceasefire proposal. And itÂ’s the same demands they have been making since 10/8/2023.

That Israel leaves permanently, UN aid (and smuggled weapons) floods in to them so they can re establish control of the city.

And then (mostly dead) hostage for prisoner deals will (or will not) slowly be worked out over years.

As I have said before, unless the whole world forces them to, Israel is not going to let Hamas stay in power indefinitely and slowly trickle out hostages.

And it appears Hamas isn’t going to budge on these demands.

So the choice seems to be let Israel take over the Gaza Strip or force one of the 2 sides to make concessions.

And for whatever reason (most likely Qatar leverage) no one is willing to even suggest to Hamas they make concessions. And without the US on board no one else has the leverage to force Israel.

So here we are.

ok so we now agree that Israel is arming gangs throughout Gaza to steal aid and cause unrest. we just disagree on if any of the gangs are ISIS ideologically? I think we made some progress today.

Hamas literally agreed to give up power in the previous ceasefire deal that Israel torched like it torches baby for fun and profit.

right, the thing that Israel has explicitly said it will do for months now regardless of the hostages or any other conditions. the thing that everyone identified as the ultimate goal of the expansionist genocidal ethnostate years ago.

No we don’t agree on that. Right now it’s he said she said with no actual evidence. I trust Israel more than I trust the UN aid orgs on this, and you obviously feel the opposite.

Do I think that Israel has contacts on the ground? Yeah, probably. But if they wanted to arm gangs to cause chaos, why are they now distributing the aid themselves and finally making it so that the food is free rather than being resold by Hamas or “armed gangs”?

Throughout the war, the evidence has not been aligned with the hypothesis that Israel wants to starve Gazans.

Well, Israel is certainly not above aiding insurgent groups. Hamas at one point in time was an insurgent group that Israel aided against the PLO. But yeah, showing some short edited clips of armed guys standing around doing nothing isn't proof of anything.

But the stakes would be EXTREMELY high for any insurgent group operating against Hamas, with or without Israeli support. As Hamas will not hesitate to torture and murder them all if they regain control, and the international community would aid Hamas in doing so. So it would be in interesting development if/when insurgent groups do openly start operating against Hamas; as this indicates a belief there will be a future in Gaza without Hamas.

Also, Hamas saying they are willing to share political power, but will not disarm and demilitarize is not ceding power. Gaza doesn't even have a fake army like Lebanon does. Under the terms they are demanding, Hamas would be the defacto power. There are plenty of Middle East "states" with large, foreign aligned militias operating freely inside of them. And they are all epic failures where the militias have ultimate power. Gaza would be no exception to this rule.

everyone remembers the last time a Palestinian group disarmed and the orgy of violence that Israel unleashed in the camps. the only reason there are still people alive in Gaza right now is bc Hamas keeps their weapons.

they are shifting their tone bc it is obv what Israel is doing and that they will go down in history next to the other European genociders. but we can look up what these people were saying in 2023 and they will never be able to wash the stink off no matter much they try to weasel out of it. similarly, we have everyone's words in this forum who supported this.

No, Hamas keeping their weapons and hiding like cowards among civilians is what's prolonging this war. Every thread you post in turns to ebola.

Bibi has stated many times that the only way the war ends is with the full removal of Palestinians from Gaza. you are factually incorrect. this stuff is easy to read but you insist on living in a fantasy land so that you can believe that Israel is doing something good.

and its not just Bibi ofc. 47% of the population wants to exterminate all Palestinians. 80+% want to remove all of them from Gaza.

and as an aside, dont forget that 56% want to remove all Palestinians from Israel. remember all of those posts from rafki and Blue saying how Israeli Palestinians are equals and dont face any discrimination? ya they were lying bc they have a few token friends and the rest are too scared to say anything remotely negative given they would be next on the chopping block for the baby murdering genocidal ethnostate.

Zzzzzz.

and 100% of 2+2 Irish pol posters.

English version of an article that came out weeks ago but ofc corroborates everything said by Palestinian survivors over a year ago.