The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched
This is a lie for instance, you know your results are online right? It shows you never played higher than micros. You can tell yourself you play it to "test" but its clear to everyone else is that you only play micros because you never beat it
I haven't got an access to a shark scope premium account, and i'm not any experienced in watching the info there. (Russian guys managed to find this 3 weeks ago, I didn't think it was necessary to upload it here, since it's just not important in the current topic. It can't be an argument regarding rigging in iPoker).
But you obviously got this experience. So you couldn't have missed that. You lie once again about me, or you just can't check a player attentively. The key question - why are you doing this in stead of discussing the topic.
You keep lying to people in different threads about me.
If you are not an online-poker shill, then who are you?
Once again, I came to iPoker on the 28th of May 2022 to test it's software after Pokerstars stopped working for Russian players.
I was winning (but it's not ANY important) the first 1/3 distance, but in a month and a half on the 10th of July 2022 I made the first test - opening hands of a sit-out player.
All the other distance was played to describe the algorithm of the software.
Here is the detailed description -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...
All the other comments of anyone regarding my gaming results which are not connected to the topic of rigging the gaming process in iPoker
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
I will redirect to this message. Too much of a time waste cause of people trying to mislead other players while iPoker steal players money favoring some players for being active in the room. Enough.
Let’s check you genius speeches, if you insist.
I say 100k hands because you need a statistically significant sample size. 1000 all-ins won't tell you anything. You're just going to get weird results that tell you to...go get more results lol maybe 10k works...I highly doubt a company auditing a RNG is approaching anything resembling rigorous testing analyzing such small numbers. All-ins or not
You invest money. You play poker significant part of your life, and you still do not understand that 1000 all-ins are a comprehensive distance to make conclusions in case of a critical deviations.
(not for Slugant, it's an excel *****, too complicated stuff for him)
It's 1 to 10 000 000 000 cases. You don't even understand this level of primitive statistical conclusions.
The next speech of an online pro scam player.
You and others can spend all the time you want until you're blue in the face about it, but if you aren't making a profit it's because you aren't good enough vs your opponents and the rake's cut out of each pot. There's no way around that. The game is a pure meritocracy.
No, there is no possibility of a scam in card games where money involved into the game. How old are you, dude?
Nobody's "lucking" they just don't get the concept that if you get all-in as a 55% favorite in a $100 pot and win, you didn't really win $50. You risked $50 for a ROI of $5, over and over, forever and ever, until the end of time...
Man, 55% of equity doesn't give you 50$ profit? Genius stuff... For a newcomer.
Mate, how do you read this then -
after that 88 vs T3o take off, because my EV$ ICM - is critically high on this stage of the tournament
Do you really know what is EV$ ICM assessment of the tournament played. Do you know what is EV$ ICM ROI of a tournament?
Look attentively at this all-in - it's a significantly profitable decision for me with 57% chances and a bunch of chips on the table. But, the most important - I lost this all-in. And if you understood dozens if not hundreds of my previous posts about EV$ ICM calculation - this is EXACTLY THAT SITUATION, when the software will try to kill me in the craziest possible manner. Bec
Did you understand A WORD here. You can disagree, but did you understand ANYTHING of the appendix's meaning?
And after that you say I type some nonsense. Of course I do, since you can't understand a word 
This is a special case now -
That's where the psychological hurdles come in. Bc if you lose those same pots the human brain is affected far more than the significance of winning the same pot. That's why people tilt. They can't handle variance. They can't handle the psychologically draining aspect of playing for hours and losing money, even if every significant pot you got the money in +EV. The reactions of
I can agree with the psychological aspects but the variance... You talk about this like some incompetent observer.
I haven't a clue about aerodynamics but look, I can type -
"Guys, if you didn't calculate the rocket body shape the right way, you will never reach space. Most people are bad at calculating of the rocket's body... Rocket stabilizer, head of the rocket, etc..."
ANYONE can type this. You don't even need to play poker to type this kind of "description" stuff basing on a common logic.
But at the same time you type here -
Well it's simple. They have no clue what they're talking about
This thread is basically an echo chamber for the delusional and ignorant at this point
Lol, all the guys, who type here "it's variance", "what a clown", "you are an idiot" - you are a group of primitive thinkers, earning money while the software let you win something being low level players. And while other players simply refuse to take part in this you keep participating.
And then you come here being sure you will feel cool since the fraud will never stop. If you only understand it's a fraud. If you do believe it's not, you are even more silly, then your reactions in the chat.
John you know you are the liar.
You show a screenshot of you playing ~25 tournaments with an avg buyin of about $20 (not really top1% worthy) and this is from a period of 2013-2018
So in 5 years time you played a handful of tournaments with a small buyin, the rest is all micros.
But instead of focusing on these 25 tournaments, why not take a look at your total. 7k tournaments with a avg buyin of 0.43 and making a loss, yet you call yourself a top 1% player. You are a scam artist! and btw, its really funny that your "rebuttal" of me calling you a micro player is some $7 buyin tournaments from 7 years ago. Stop living in the post Johnny, maybe update your profile pic as well. You are just a weak and mentally ill old man now.
And yes, some part in the graph you are winning, so what. Even Paisting had a winning month. It doesnt mean that was the fair part and the losing section was rigged. And even then, in your "winning period" you were up $40 at most.
40 dollars, and you call yourself an elite player. For an elite player $40 isnt even 1 big blind you moron.
You lie about everything you are, and when someone doesnt agree he is a liar or a shill, yet you never proven this. When JustJoke came in to say what you are claiming about gypsyforum is a lie, you called him a liar multiple times.
Well, he showed the screenshots and guess what, he was right and you were lying. They think you are a mental patient as well. You should apologize to JustJoke for calling him a liar because from evidence we see he was right and you were wrong (again).
But that you keep insisting on lying about you being a top 1% player makes me think you are not just a dishonest person that likes to make unfounded claims about himself, you are (and i really mean this) a sick individual. You brag about some small stakes tournaments from 2013-2018 and everyone that doesnt agree with your rantings is an enemy or a shill. You really really need help and it probably would be best for you in general to go offline for a while.
You cant beat poker (anymore), even in your best period of only 3k tournaments you barely could and this was 10 years ago.
And even then, in the best poker period of your life you made $40
How do you align this absolute truth with you being a top 1% player?? I honestly want to know, because to treat your illness its better to know how far your mind has gone already.
Especially since over 7k tournaments you've lost $100... playing at the microstakes vs players who are just as terrible as you. How can you keep on thinking that you have any skill whatsoever? Let alone calling yourself top 1% players, you know their peak was not being $40 up right?
Man… )) JustJoke… (change the nickname man! It says you don’t even talk seriously, but it’s not like that, you talk to real people here!)
Now your initial phrase –
So, you simply admit you lied about the situation, should we continue? )
More than that, I was also supported by
EXHAUSTEDD, Seead, just1answer, igorsakha, Семьдесят_Шесть
Its f***g LIE. in this post the person says you got banned for flooding.
"So the author was even banned in the flooder chat for flooding. He generated an endless stream of heresy and insanity around the clock. Here are a couple of examples from an "expert level player".
Maybe it will be useful for someone to decide poker."
https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.phpview...
Look at your initial phrase –
JohnMir first joined Red Star's Russian chat room on Telegram. He was banned after 2-3 months of flooding, but he thinks he was banned for being a danger to iPoker.
First of all, where did I say that I think I was banned for being a danger to iPoker?
I'm not an idiot, that is why I ask you to provide my words that I think I'm a danger to iPoker so I was banned from the telegram chat.
Could you, please, tell us what your nickname on Gipsy Team forum is, so that, we could identify who we are talking to?
This post you mention was made by user “vladman”.
And man, I would like to see a message of Red Star Poker chat moderator where he says – “Evgeniy Mirskiy was banned for flooding”. Not just a personal opinion of another member of a chat. You know, it’s not an evidence…
And you weren't banned for Curaçao, but for your complaint to the Russian Tax Service!!!!
Yes, and this is what I said in the first message, in the second message I mistyped.
After some guy uploaded this message, where I publish my text to The Russian Taxation Service about the fraud of iPoker, and I was banned in the Red Star Poker's telegram chat in 1-2 hours after 3 months of talking there. I mean, should I think that I was banned for some flood? Or may be i'm still banned from Red Star Poker's (iPoker) forum for accusation of the Company? Simply
An interesting case was when JonMir was asked what his winrate was. And he went to google to find out what a winrate. LOL.
My reaction was –
“[It’s a lie, a telegram chat member didn’t ask me about my winrate, he asked me about reaction of the software in case of a high player’s winrate, totally different question]”
He didn’t ask me about MY winrate, he asked me if the software corrects its behavior ACCORDING TO winrate of a player.
But EV winrate and FACT winrate – are two different things. THAT IS WHY I went to google if Fact winrate and EV winrate are somehow connected between each other in case of talking about cash games.
You didn’t get the meaning of my check. I didn’t check this, because I didn’t know what winrate was, and they didn’t ask me about MY winrate.
More than that If I show this in Red Star Poker chat –
I did know what winrate was? But I had to be sure what exactly guys mean by a winrate – EV or Fact, and I asked them, what is winrate in their terms?
The answer was very easy – it’s an average sum of blinds won / 100 hands played. But they didn’t answer this. Yes, in stead of this easy answer they said insults like mentally ill unconfident people - “patient went to watch what winrate is”. But I went to watch the DETAILS of the definition.
here is your post about the moderator of 2+2 in Russian. Let the guys here translate it themselves: https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.phpview...
JustJoke, do you know that your links doesn’t work, but I found the message.
“Ив, я лично общаюсь с модератором форума 2+2.
Он сам мне написал, что на 888 обратил внимание, что есть такая тема, что ты когда сбрасываешь руки, то тебе начинают показывать, что ты попал БЫ во флоп. Типа "а не провоцирует ли меня софт 888 Poker на вход в игру?".
Он тоже идиот? Это человек в курсе ВСЕГО ВООБЩЕ, что происходит в покерном мире.
Я ему ответил, что я в чате Ред Стара поднимал ту же тему. На АйПокере это точно есть по моим наблюдениям.”
Where did I say, that 2+2 moderator supports someone? He shared his own thoughts of 2015. Which he published here in this thread.
I think I've figured out how 888 rigs its deck. Others can check their stats to see if they agree.Once you fold preflop, the cards that would have fitted with yours in some way or other are brought to the top and used as part of the community cards. The point of this is so the player starts to think he should have played the cards, and to encourage, (tilt?), him into widening h
I summarize –
1. You lied about that no one supports my ideas on Gipsy team forum (what for did you lie?)
2. You lied about that I was banned in Red Star Poker telegram chat for flooding since I was bunned 1-2 hours after someone published my accusations in the chat (you didn’t prove this with the moderators message). It’s just your opinion.
3. You misinterpreted the question of what winrate is by me, they didn’t ask me about My winrate, they asked about the reaction of the software to a high winrate
4. You misinterpreted that 2+2 moderator supports me, cause he only shared his opinion about another room’s dependency willing to hear my reaction, nothing more, nothing else.
Well, I didn’t lie in any aspect here. You lied several times, what for are you doing this? You motivation to lie about me.
What is you nickname on Gipsy Team forum I want to know who I talk to, since you mention two forums here – 2+2 and Gipsy both at once.
My nickname on Gipsy is Johnmir. Just the same. I don’t hide from someone. It’s just a poker forum.
Look at that
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
Where did I say "The world is shilling"? Only you and JustJoke are shilling and not because you disagree, but because you lie about me. No one else.
First of all, the links JJ provided do work, maybe you brain doesnt? Also, Ive said before I have read your gypsy thread (you dont need an account to read it) in translation so I know whats been said there and even there a user confronts you and says:
"Statistically proven by your "wave theory" over a distance of 430 hands? And the thing is, in your opinion, there are no sane people here. And everyone who does not agree with your schizotheory, you immediately write off as accomplices of the rooms"
So also there you are accusing people of fraud once they disagree with you, like you have done so many times here. You "warned" people to watch out for shills, but if its just me & jj you can just name us two right? And all the people on gypsy who call you schizophrenic are not shills according to you, so what is their reason to say you are a mental patient?
But why are you answering my post with quotation marks on "world is shilling" to a post where I didnt say that? you are quoting things that never been said that way, a quote should be literal.
You do this to avoid having to answer the real questions, so please do.
1) You cant beat poker (anymore), even in your best period of only 3k tournaments you barely could and this was 10 years ago.
And even then, in the best poker period of your life you made $40
How do you align this absolute truth with you being a top 1% player?? I honestly want to know, because to treat your illness its better to know how far your mind has gone already.
Especially since over 7k tournaments you've lost $100... playing at the microstakes vs players who are just as terrible as you. How can you keep on thinking that you have any skill whatsoever? Let alone calling yourself top 1% players, you know their peak was not being $40 up right? And playing a handful of small stakes tournaments in 2013 doesnt make you a top 1% player either 😉
2) John, does it sting you and does it maybe tell you something about your claims, that everywhere you go (2p2, ps, gypsy, youtube) there are either no reactions or just reactions of people not taking you seriously (as they should)?
We still havent seen any actions being taken from all the gambling commissions from the UK to Curacao, you mailed them all. Even though you "proved it rigged" Why do you think it is that literally nobody takes you seriously John?
3) What will need to happen for you to contemplate that you might be wrong John? Serious question, and you need to answer that to yourself mainly.
4) You say and I do quote literally "THAT IS WHY I went to google if Fact winrate and EV winrate are somehow connected between each other in case of talking about cash games."
Do you think right now that "fact winrate" and ev winrate are somehow connected and what are those connections? Why did you have to google this and not use your elite skill analytics? And did you perhaps not know what a winrate is because you dont have one since you have a lossrate?
Remember when he was just kidding?
Guy is on here for 3-4 hours this morning rage posting lmfao
Well, lets say you think you are a genius, even though there is zero evidence of this.
Then you play 500k+ hands at microstakes.... and lose! well I would be pretty pissed of too :p:p
And in those 500k+ hands he didnt even improve, in fact the graph goes further downhill. But atleast he got 450 hands (thats 0.09% of total hands played) that "prove" that poker is rigged LOLOLOL
But dont call him out on these facts, because then he will cry for a moderator. Forgetting that all of his claims (not just poker-related) are clear and obvious lies.
You "warned" people to watch out for shills, but if its just me & jj you can just name us two right? And all the people on gypsy who call you schizophrenic are not shills according to you, so what is their reason to say you are a mental patient?
Man!
They (others) are not lying about me! And this is a huge difference. They can’t find good arguments, otherwise, they would provide competent comments, but they are not shilling, since they don’t try to implement intentionally false comments about me personally.
You do this to avoid having to answer the real questions, so please do.
1) You cant beat poker (anymore)
I could have skipped this, but it’s a good stuff to discuss.
Who told you I can’t beat poker? The results in a proved rigged game, where I tested the software while I was injured and got stuck at home?
even in your best period of only 3k tournaments you barely could and this was 10 years ago.
Man –
Once again, I came to iPoker on the 28th of May 2022 to test it's software after Pokerstars stopped working for Russian players.
I was winning (but it's not ANY important) the first 1/3 distance, but in a month and a half on the 10th of July 2022 I made the first test - opening hands of a sit-out player.
Can you read this? 10 years ago? )) 28th of May 2022…
Mate, when did shark scope start to show all the history of my gaming. In Absolute poker, Bet365, Fulltilt. I can provide screen shots that I played there. But it is not shown on sharkscope – “of your life” lmao. I have played from 2006.
Lol, you say crazy number of unconfirmed stuff. Just some flow of lie. How do you generate all this, really? You don’t even type anything you could really know. You do know almost nothing about me and my life progress. But you keep providing statements about me even though it’s impossible to know for you… Lol.
2) John, does it sting you and does it maybe tell you something about your claims, that everywhere you go (2p2, ps, gypsy, youtube) there are either no reactions or just reactions of people not taking you seriously (as they should)?
This is exactly why, initially, I didn’t plan to upload this on the forums. The most part of online players who are active here – are winning money playing online. They are against the information about rigging the game. And it’s pretty obvious. But I still decided to publish this, since more people will still be able to know about the scam.
All the others – just stop playing, like myself.
I stopped result-oriented playing in 2019/20 (7$+ limit).
I don’t understand how is it possible not to get such an easy situation – I was winning overall 7$+, I realized the game was rigged and I moved to a lowest possible limit for what? Mate, you try so hard to mix up facts, but it’s simply impossible.
Obviously, I have no reason to play 0.1$ (!!!) 9 max SnGs on iPoker aiming to increase my bankroll. It’s JustJoke for me to play such a low limit after playing 7$. Just think of that, why didn’t I play 5$ on iPoker, 3$? 1$??? I played 0.1$ sng 9 max.
So, I decided to investigate the subject (I wouldn’t go for it in case I wasn’t injured though).
P.S. On youtube noone knows me actually. So that there are no many reactions.
3) What will need to happen for you to contemplate that you might be wrong John? Serious question, and you need to answer that to yourself mainly.
Man, if I saw a pure rigging with all the cards opened with my own eyes. What can convince me I’m blind? Hard to say. Lol, I do “guess” on purpose 100 pushes in a row (with 2-3 misses), should I believe it’s just an accident?
Regarding the winrate, man, it’s such a boring topic, JustJoke didn’t even get the meaning, he copy-pasted something out of contest. It was very silly move of him. I explained you everything.
If you type “if Sam is an idiot, he will do it” and I just copy-paste to another forum – “Sam is an idiot” – So what? It’s silly behavior. JustJoke didn’t even read what he copy-pasted lol.
Totally agree here, and I don’t need to prove my opinion about myself. So there is no need to prove me that my own opinion about myself is wrong, I do know my abilities really well, and I don’t ask anyone to confirm it.
Then you play 500k+ hands at microstakes.... and lose! well I would be pretty pissed of too :p:p
Man, the problem is that you simply can’t believe that someone decided to come to micros to test the game. Just to check wtf is going on! Yes, it’s a rare situation, so what? Yes, I came to play 0.1$ to finally describe for people how they deal hands, I found it interesting to manage this.
To be fair – I don’t care at all, if I lost those micros cause I had got totally different aim and I reached it 100%. I do not care if I win/lose on iPoker, that is why I made the first test of the software on the 10th of July in 1.5 months of playing.
But atleast he got 450 hands (thats 0.09% of total hands played) that "prove" that poker is rigged
Man, look, I played. Everything was good. And then I decided to OPEN OPPONENT’s HANDS WHO WENT SIT-OUT. And it appeared that while we didn’t see our opponents hands the software rigged the game badly. I opened 431 consecutive players hands – and yes, the software rigs it just badly.
Then guys didn’t believe it was a tendency. And I provided one more test – 450 hands of a pure rigging once again. How do you think rigging comes out? It comes out in a usual but crazily rigged short distance. You don’t need to prove billions of hands to be rigged you just see once the software goes for something crazy – and it’s the end. This is what I did.
Guys, i'm going to prepare for those streams of me guessing hands. Hope to play 2-3 SnG's a day, so I will gather enough statistics to predict software's behavior in details again. I will inform you about streaming later.
Only one person is lying about you and that is yourself
You introduce yourself on different forums and youtube as a professional level player, yet you are clearly not. When you wanted to dispute this fact you've shown a screenshot of sharkscope with results from 2013-2018. This is how long SS has been tracking you, and you performed bad throughout. A professional level player doesnt need to bring back small/micro stakes results from 12 years ago 😉
You keep on falling back to your hallucination that you cant beat the games (last 12 years) because of rigging. You believe every site is rigged more than you can believe you are not at poker. This is an illness that you have.
Other players that have stopped playing poker came to the conclusion that they werent good enough anymore and didnt want to study as much. They are mostly succesful in other areas. What makes you think they all stopped because of rigging? Where are they and where are their stories? If their livelyhood was taken away from them because every site was rigging against them, why arent they here telling the same tale as you? You say on youtube they dont know you and thats why there arent many reactions? If people took you seriously, there would be. But people with a brain dont take your seriously. On gypsy, PS and here people dont know you either, but people do react. On gypsyforum your thread has 236 pages and its full of people calling you a schizophrenic and a mental patient. And not only the forum members dont take you seriously (because they are winning you say) but also every commission and institution, so far they have done nothing based on your ramblings. They arent benifiting from not taking you seriously, but they dont either.
You did not see rigging, you saw something and thought it was rigging. Big difference. Your mind cant cope with the reality so it makes up strange things. You should get help for this.
You say JustJoke copy-pasted something out of context, he didnt, he showed the exact unaltered screenshot. I used Google lens to translate it and you were looking up what a winrate was and the next guy called you a patient. That is not out of context, it happens all the time.
Its all based on a batch of 431 and 450 hands where and i quote you "we didnt see our opponents hands". Solid evidence man, great stuff LOLOL
If 881 hands "proof" ipoker is rigged than 500k+ hands of you in the last 10 years definitely proof you have no business in poker whatsoever. Not as a player, not as an analyst.
You say you are preparing streams but playing 2-3 sng's a day? You think this will cut it? You know these streams arent meant for gathering statistics. Its for you to livestream so we can see unaltered realtime proof of you knowing the algorithm. You are not still not getting this. If you play a batch of sng's and later on show some "weird hands" that does not prove anything. I play 3k hands a day, I can show you some "weird hands" (aq being beat by ak in your view) every day.
Are you weaseling out of doing a proper livestream where we can tune in? Nobody is interested in you showing what you think is rigged afterwards because this is useless.
Btw John, you've said before you've given up a career as an elite tennis player and financial analyst to play poker? Whats been paying the bills in the last 10 years you've been losing at the micros to "test"?
A comment to the public. Lol, personally, I don’t take it close, since Slugant doesn’t really know me, and, at the same time, I know opinions of many other people about me, who know me in a real life. But will a mentally normal man write this –
Stop living in the post Johnny, maybe update your profile pic as well. You are just a weak and mentally ill old man now.
When I read this shame, I was really lauphing, because a person can’t confirm he is under influence of psychological complexes any better way than typing this, lol. Will any socially active, reasonable person say this to someone he doesn’t even know? Lol, what an uncontrolled anger towards a whole earth is inside of him.
Mate, instead of collecting a pure ****, you can gather positive emotions in life 😉
Other players that have stopped playing poker came to the conclusion that they werent good enough anymore and didnt want to study as much. They are mostly succesful in other areas. What makes you think they all stopped because of rigging? Where are they and where are their stories? If their livelyhood was taken away from them because every site was rigging against them, why are
Look, just to stop this “why doesn’t anyone agree with you?” conversation – man, personally, I do not any care if people agree with me, because I can’t influence on this more, then uploading and commenting the materials. Everyone takes his own decisions in life himself. Should I care about that? I have got my own stuff to do.
Try to feel the difference –
a) I do not understand you
b) I do not agree with you
My responsibility is to maximize chances to “I do understand your point”, but not to maximize “I do agree with you”. I do not care, if you agree with me. But it would be good if you would understand my position.
In my opinion, something that produced a probability of rigging with a chance of 99. 999 999 992% - is a pure rigging.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
In case you DO NOT UNDERSTAND what I calculate there – yes, for you it’s nothing. You say about distance like 99.99..992% probability is nothing. I mean, you somehow skip this in your speech. And after that, you seriously say –
You can say "if you see 30 AA in a row"... but you didnt, you never showed 30 simultaneous hands. You just show screenshots of AJ being behind against AK 3 times in a row like it means something.
And you say 469 hands is enough to prove its rigged 99,99% LOLOL
Yes, if you can’t compare that 30 hands can be considered as a pure rigging because of PROBABILITY, man – 0,0000.. x 40 ZEROS x 01%, then 469 hands can be also considered as a pure rigging. Since you don’t recognize this kind of logical conclusion I have no idea how to discuss “dependencies in game” with you. You talk about distance just IGNORING the situation in my data.
Yes, you do not understand, that if your opponent hits almost every flop on a distance of 200 hands – as an example - (32,4% expected chances to hit the flop) on a high BBs – it’s critically rare situation.
For you a rare situation is ONLY when you got 30 AA’s in a row. EVERYTHING else – is just a “variance” for you. But “variance” – is a number. It’s not just a word. On different distances variance can get different levels of deviation, and all these deviations are COUNTABLE. It’s a calculation, it’s not just a WORD.
If you manage to explain me that 0.000 000 008% variance – is normal. OKAY – I will agree the game is fair then.
Big difference. Your mind cant cope with the reality so it makes up strange things. You should get help for this.
Yeah, exactly, we are talking about the reality all the time. What is REALLY going on.
Its all based on a batch of 431 and 450 hands where and i quote you "we didnt see our opponents hands".
I can’t believe you don’t even understand a pure basic of my analysis, I OPENED MY OPPONENT’s hands
In June of 2022, basing on my playing experience, I noticed unnatural gaming process and I made an assumption that Red Star’s software manipulates the game using an impossibility to prove rigging since the most part of game cones opponents don’t see hands of each other at the end of the game cone.And on the 10th of July
Is it possible to discuss, if you still do not understand that I managed to opened hidden hands of my opponents, and that is why I uploaded this information.
In fact, I’m worried about that. Because I’m afraid – some of other forum member didn’t understand this. But I don’t know how to type it another way. The problem is that many of us are not native English speakers…
Look, clever or at least adequate people, in case they do not understand my analysis – just keep silence about it. You – don’t understand a word in my analysis but you start to argue.
If 881 hands "proof" ipoker is rigged than 500k+ hands of you in the last 10 years definitely proof you have no business in poker whatsoever. Not as a player, not as an analyst.
No one here is interested in my results, we talk about rigging in iPoker. Can you keep the topic of the thread? WTF are you talking really. It’s not a discussion of my gaming level, do you understand that?
You say you are preparing streams but playing 2-3 sng's a day? You think this will cut it? You know these streams arent meant for gathering statistics. Its for you to livestream so we can see unaltered realtime proof of you knowing the algorithm. You are not still not getting this. If you play a batch of sng's and later on show some "weird hands" that does not prove anything. I
Yes, I’m going to livestream. But before the stream I need to gather stats to make good forecast during streaming. Because when I forecast I use the statistics of recently played games. I gather stats for myself, not to show you.
Btw John, you've said before you've given up a career as an elite tennis player and financial analyst to play poker? Whats been paying the bills in the last 10 years you've been losing at the micros to "test"?
If you ask seriously.
I left finance, in spite of a fast carrier growth, because I didn’t want to be “bordered” by corporate “way of a team cooperation” – it is not effective since not everyone is able to work really well and really fast. Also, I didn’t want to live all my life in the office, seeing the same people, same walls.
But I didn’t “given up” with a tennis carrier, I got a hard unexpected injury. So, I had to be at home for a long time.
I didn’t plan to play poker at all. But when I got stack at home, I tried to play 7$ SnG’s once again. I realized that the game is still as rigged as it was in 2008-2015.
Then I just stopped playing anything 1$+ and only played micros to find out – how exactly do they rig it. What is the algorithm to equalize strong and weak players? I made that for Pokerstars, but they closed for Russians.
And in iPoker I kept playing the lowest possible limits and found out how they do it in details (according to EV of each player they deal “trapped” hands in a specific moments of the game – positive/negative waves of hands are dealt to EACH player. Even regular players are under influence of it. That is why almost no one manages to make 50%+ ROI online).
In other words, I didn’t try to earn money playing poker after I won some money on 7$ limit. If I tried – I would go to play multi-tabling, but I decided not to take part in this, but to open the scam instead, because money is not the only aim in life of a human.
Regarding the bills - when I couldn’t walk at all, and were lying in bed, some people helped me. Nowadays I’m working as a tennis coach again after a really hard recovery. I had to recover myself, since doctors didn’t manage to bring my ability to walk back, I solved this myself and totally alone, without anyone’s help.
And it’s not about 10 years, it’s about 6-7 years.
And even now, I’m not going to earn in poker, I’m working as a tennis coach and plan to try myself offline, since my level of gaming is critically high, in my opinion (it happened, because I did MY BEST to fight for 100% ROI on 7$ MTTs. As a result, I managed to improve in a crazy way, and only then I started to realize how they rig it. “I managed to seriously improve” -> “I realized the scheme of rigging”😉.
Offline could help me to earn something for life faster. To get back to a normal life.
Everyone takes his own decisions in life himself. Should I care about that? I have got my own stuff to do.
You were the one that said this about rng being rigged:
"All the others – just stop playing, like myself." To which I replied "They are mostly succesful in other areas. What makes you think they all stopped because of rigging? Where are they and where are their stories? If their livelyhood was taken away from them because every site was rigging against them, why arent they here telling the same tale as you? You say on youtube they dont know you and thats why there arent many reactions?"
This has nothing to with agreeing. You claim all the other stopped for the same reasons as you. Have you somehow spoken to the majority of people that stopped, No. You are making this up.
We are, because it takes a clever poker brain to discuss the difficulties in poker. Not the brain of a microstakes loser.
And if results are not important, why do keep on introducing yourself as "professional level player"? Especially since you say it has nothing to do with the subject, why would you make this up?
So you have known all the sites are rigging for 17 years now? Why were you quiet for 16 of them? Were you shilling for all the sites???
Nowadays I’m working as a tennis coach
since doctors didn’t manage to bring my ability to walk back
Must be tough being a non-walking tennis coach, almost as hard as being a non-winning professional poker player.
Regarding your professions as an "elite level" financial analyst & tennis player/coach. When I google your name Yevgeniy Mirksiy (You posted youtube videos under your own name so I guess you are OK with it being out there) why does google only find 3 youtube videos from you about rigged poker and a pokerstrategy thread started by you about... you guessed it, rigged poker.
That is all your name is linked too. Zero data about a career as a topnotch financial analyst and zero mention of tennis. You would think that a man who had a promising tennis career, couldnt walk and made it back to being a professional tennis coach had at least 1 search result. But no. And the reason for that is simple, this whole story only lives in your mind. Its not the real world, and deep down you know it. You will claim you are the most off-grid financial analyst & tennis coach in the world. But its all nonsense and its not even somewhat believeable nonsense.
I will tune in for your livestream however, im looking forwards to your perfect predictions. After all, you've known its rigged for 17 years now😉
You were the one that said this about rng being rigged:"All the others – just stop playing, like myself." To which I replied "They are mostly succesful in other areas. What makes you think they all stopped because of rigging? Where are they and where are their stories? If their livelyhood was taken away from them because every site was rigging against them, why arent they
It was an incorrect phrase of me, of course not everyone stopped playing because he dicided the game was rigged. Different players - different stories.
We are, because it takes a clever poker brain to discuss the difficulties in poker. Not the brain of a microstakes loser.
And if results are not important, why do keep on introducing yourself as "professional level player"? Especially since you say it has nothing to do with the subject, why would you make this up?
No problem!! Man, discuss difficulties in poker with pros, I'm not against it. Okay, I provided you info - you say, it's wrong. Okay, good, I got you.
The distance is small. The probability 0,000 000 008% - is not important. Or it's somehow calculated with mistakes, because iPoker can't be rigged, cause you win.
This is not a dependency - this is just a 0,02% accident got from the first try, same as in all the other tests -
Now you can start to discuss with other "pros" (who win money on iPoker) that all this is just miscalculations, and excel tables - I didn't summarize it on a real data which I uploaded for your overwiev but i SOMEHOW rig this data (with no proofs, of cause, cause to prove the data is rigged you need to open this data at least and show concrete mistakes). Lol, it's awesome, how did you manage to even generate it in your brain "fill numbers in excel tables" rofl. Have you ever seen anything in your life except a poker table, lol.
So you have known all the sites are rigging for 17 years now? Why were you quiet for 16 of them? Were you shilling for all the sites???
Surprised to hear this question. The only reason - I had no proofs of rigging, so I have never visited forums up to the end of 2024. I could upload this data a bit earlier in 2022, but I was feeling too bad and decided not to bother with this.
Must be tough being a non-walking tennis coach, almost as hard as being a non-winning professional poker player.
Good speech. Mental ******.
What are splashes and game cones ?
Given you like to come up with "evidence" im surprised that when I tackle your tennis/financial profession all you can blurt out is "Good speech. Mental ******." Do you expect me to believe all your "career" nonsense without any proof? Would you accept poker being a fair game without any proof?
And John, if the software controls the winning/losing "waves" why are there any structural winning high stakes and medium stakes players? Especially when they play similar amounts of tables at the same time and are active every day, stuff you say controls the RNG. All these players fit the same playing profile but there are structural winners and losers in that game.
Linus is considered by his peers as one the best holdem players of the last years. Does that mean he has a favored account on multiple sites? I thought he might know the algorithm as well but as you said before, the software changes the RNG so it cant be beaten once you adapt. So how does he win? Could it be skill?
This is the main issue with your whole stance on poker. You claim its rigged because you dont win. In my view its because you arent nowhere good enough. But you unjustly fault the software. Not of 1 site, but all of them.
This also discredits the players who are making a living at mid and high stakes who actually put in the hours every day. Hours of playing and studying. Turns out its just a matter of having a favored account. Remember, they dont win because they are multi-tabling because their opponents do too.
Would you say Linus is a better player than you?
Would you say someone who beats midstakes for years and years is better than you?
Is Linus beating the game on every site because the software gives him more "winning waves"? And why him and not his opponents, who btw do very well at the game but see Linus as a superior player?
If I have a favored account because I beat midstakes why am I not up there with Linus? Is it because I actually realize im not good enough to beat the HS so I play a game I can win or does the software give me an advantage at midstakes but not at high stakes? And if so, why??
If Linus beats the game so hard because he is actually a really talented and hard-working player, could it be that players who outperform you are more talented and hard-working than you? Or do you rather keep on blaming the RNG instead of looking at your own shortcomings?
Linus is considered by his peers as one the best holdem players of the last years. Does that mean he has a favored account on multiple sites? I thought he might know the algorithm as well but as you said before, the software changes the RNG so it cant be beaten once you adapt. So how does he win? Could it be skill?
he doesn't know who Linus is. He compiled his ranges from Sklansky's book and considers Ivan Demidov a reputable player
Look, how I do this, the process -
I type in the chat (Russian poker forum) - "Guys, i'm going to monitor/watch my tournaments now, after each session, and check if I find this strange stuff about postflop hitting".
And I play a tournament.
I open hand history of this tournament
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OZxB8p5...
(you can import it into your holdem manager/hand2note)
And I start to open and watch Every hand (yes, I just open hands one by one, I don't watch some "stats" - I watch hands in the replayer, that I played - game cones. A game cone = hand played)
And look, I check ONLY hands that
- I decided to fold on a preflop (decided not to play the flop)
- The flop was dealt (some of other opponents on the table decided to play on a postflop)
And I start to fill the table in excel -
I input what hand I had, and what combination on a flop I Would get in case I decided to play on a postflop.
As a result I get the following flop hitting statistics -
1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 0 0
(28 flops were dealt in the whole tournament #1 in case I folded my hand on a preflop)
So, look. I can see that I have got a "rare sequence" of hands here in the end. My chances to hit on a flop a pair or better (top pair, two pair, trips or a full house) for a non-paired starting hand are 32.4%.
But my real frequency on this segment of distance - 4 of 5 flops = 80%.
And I start to check combinations of this piece of distance once again -
I folded K6o (in the end of the tournament, you can see it's line #34, I selected it) and I got a top pair flopped (in case I wouldn't fold I would get a top pair)
A chance to hit top pair or better (two pairs, trips, full house), having K6o - 17.2%
The next hand I folded was 65o but I didn't hit the flop (no matches, just a straight draw). It means, I didn't hit 32.4%.
I watch the 3rd flop once again (where I folded my hand on a preflop) -
I hit a top pair again.
A chance to hit top pair or better, having Q2s - 13.2%. Okay. I watch next -
A chance to hit top pair or better, having A8o - 22.0%. And the last hand of that splash (80% flop hitting in stead of 32.4% expected) -
I hit a top pair once again. A chance to hit it with Q2o hand is - 13.2% (same as for Q2s)
Do you understand my term "splash" now? It's a rare sequence, when I hit many flops almost in a row (4 of 5 top pairs flopped - 80% in stead of 19.6% in average).
19.6% = ( 17.2% + 32.4% + 13.2% + 22.0% + 13.2% ) / 5
Now the question is - What are the chances to hit at least 4 top-pairs of 5 flops in a tournament length = 28 game cones (hands where I folded my starting hand on a preflop and my opponents decided to play on a flop)?
And how often does it happen in a random game?
You can check this with Deep Seek AI or ChatGPT (I calculate it myself). And here are these values -
So, I played 28 hands. And got a splash of a high flop hitting frequency (4 of 5 flops - top pair would be collected). And this splash (segment of a tournament) is expected to appear in 8.5% cases. Or, in average, on each 276 hands played (game cones).
After this I keep playing and watch all the tournaments I played for the test (yeah, it takes some time to prepare this calculations and to fill data in excel, to watch all the hands manually one by one) -
Watch these tournaments, every of them got a crazy splash of flop hitting. Except only one tournament #7 - I didn't find any "splashes" of the flop hitting there.
(The hand history of those 11 tournaments played for the test - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ongy4N0...)
It means that the software of iPoker deals flops according to an algorithm. In a specific moment of a tournament the room deals "nice" flops for the player who folded too many hands before (most-likely, the software tries to provoke a weak player who play the flop too rare to take part in the action). Means this is not random.
No no, You and Slugant think - I'm an idiot. Me personally - I don't think so. I said it to Slugant, cause he can't behave normally. But I'm not used to think that someone is "an idiot".
Closer to the topic -
And I start to open and watch Every hand (yes, I just open hands one by one, I don't watch some "stats" - I watch hands in the replayer, that I played - game cones. A game cone = hand played)
And look, I check ONLY hands that
- I decided to fold on a preflop (decided not to play the flop)
- The flop was dealt (some of other opponents on the table decided to play on a postflop)
I do not watch ALL the hands. I only watch those hands, where I folded my hand! And where the flop was dealt!
How else you can check the dependency according to a "I fold on a preflop" factor? Yes, of course I don't count hands that I joined the flop / or where the flop wasn't dealt.
he doesn't know who Linus is. He compiled his ranges from Sklansky's book and considers Ivan Demidov a reputable player
Man, I don't remember when you said us your nickname on Gipsy Team forum? Are you hiding from someone? ))Lol, people say - i'm "paranoic", but I don't hide my nickname on a POKER FORUM LOL. I don't try to type something on the internet while hiding my personali
no matter who I am, because I'm telling the truth. you're an impenetrable, self-righteous fool whose world would fall apart if you were wrong. That's why you'll always be alone
liar. You can tell by the stacks and the new players at the table that hands have been played.
I didn't get this point. Can you just open a hand history of the tournament that I uploaded -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OZxB8p5...
And show us hands, that I didn't include in those 28 hands of the first tournament (except paired starting hands - I do not count paired starting hands 22-AA not to rise complexity of calculations).
Which hands did I exclude from the analysis?
John you really dont understand that the button moves one up every time???
On the K6o hand the button is on the guy to your left
Then the hand 65o that you claim is the next one (but clearly isnt) the button is 2 guys to your right. The button just miraculously skipped a bunch of people??
NO, its not the next hand. The sequence already is flawed on the 2nd hand. And leaving out pairs to "not rise complexity of calculations" is very off as well.
But furthemore, this tackles a fault in your analysis that you seem to not understand. You cant isolate a hand and say "the chance this hits is 34%" then the next "the chance this misses is 70%" etc etc and the combine all together and go well its 0.34 * 0.70 * 0.2 etc etc till you get a bizarre number.. Thats not how math works.
I just played a session of 500 hands, I could isolate each hand and say: What are the odds I got exactly A4, 87, KJ, T4 etc etc dealt... Wow the chances those were my exact starting hands are one in a trillion. It doesnt mean anything. Its flawed reasoning looking for something off that isnt there.
You keep on isolating hands or isolating very small samples. John from what i've seen online you have played 540k+ hands since 2018. You claim you've been playing since 2006. That is 19 years worth of poker hands.
And yet you show up with screenshots of 5 hands... 5!
Your rigged analysis is done on batches of 400 hands..
Cmon man. When you have 19 years worth of hands (multiple millions) you should be able to say something over the entire sum of hands.
Because now, even if I agree that those 800 hands in your analysis are rigged, how about the other 2 or 3 million?? Like you said before, they could have just turn the rig-switch on and off (your words😉)
If you want to prove something stop cherry picking and show data over the entire sample.
If you can show that in 540k hands you should have made top pair 12% (just a reference number) and you made it 4%, now that is evidence. That is way off over a huge sample. 5 consecutive hands that arent even consecutive dont mean anything Johnnie, just like those 400 hand samples dont mean anything.
I came to tennis at the age of 28. I don't work with sportmen. Don't want to, at the moment.
I work with amateurs.
Thats old to get into tennis and become an elite coach. Btw, why does an elite tennis coach work with amateurs? Why isnt Zverev calling you?
Look, Linus CAN BE A SUPERIOR player. But he complies with a KEY FACTOR - number of tables in game. And everyone else is out of the game. I mean, we don't really know what would show Linus in a fair game.
He showed us time and time again. That you can even say he CAN be superior to you. He beats HS constantly, you lose at 10nl!!! He might multitble but its across sites, I do too. Many times he plays just 1 table and the rest on other sites, I do too... So the algorithm should turn on me right? That is your whole reasoning.. so why do i keep winning?
Where exactly does the number of tables played come into the algorithm?
In your livestream when predicting outcomes, will you determine if people at your table will get lucky/unlucky beforehand based on the amount of tables that they are playing?
You "know the algorithm" so please show us the formula to how multitabling affects the losing/winning "waves".. Is 3tabling running decent, 6tabling running better, 9tabling running best for instance?
I DO NOT CARE IF Linus is better then me, because I never played fair game.
I don't try to "seem" better then I am
Then why did you call yourself a top 1% poker player?
Why did you introduce yourself here on 2+2 in multiple threads, on pokerstrategy, on gypsy and on youtube as a "professional level player"
You know you're not right? You are desperately trying to seem better than you are, constantly.
... If you want to prove something stop cherry picking and show data over the entire sample.
If you can show that in 540k hands you should have made top pair 12% (just a reference number) and you made it 4%, now that is evidence. That is way off over a huge sample. ...
I'd agree that it would be very strong evidence garnered from 500k past hands, (just a reference number). Then could be proposed a hypothesis. I think the almost undeniable proof would be that if, going forward, the next 500k hands showed only 4% as well.
Has Johnmir proposed any hypothesis yet, that can be tested by others?
I'd agree that it would be very strong evidence garnered from 500k past hands, (just a reference number). Then could be proposed a hypothesis. I think the almost undeniable proof would be that if, going forward, the next 500k hands showed only 4% as well.
Has Johnmir proposed any hypothesis yet, that can be tested by others?
He only showed his own stats which people than can "check"if he indeed was beat with aq.
But no, there has never been a strong hypothesis, formula or solid algorithm. Its all a bunch of vague guesswork thusfar.
John you really dont understand that the button moves one up every time???
On the K6o hand the button is on the guy to your left
Then the hand 65o that you claim is the next one (but clearly isnt) the button is 2 guys to your right. The button just miraculously skipped a bunch of people??
Look, when you analyze your winning % or aggression % in position, do you watch all the hands simultaneously from all the other positions?
The same here.
And look, I check ONLY hands that
- I decided to fold on a preflop (decided not to play the flop)
- The flop was dealt (some of other opponents on the table decided to play on a postflop)
I only watch those hands, where I folded my starting hand on a preflop, all the other hands – I skip. I can’t analyze “I hit a flop if I folded my hand preflop”, if I take ALL THE HANDs.
Same as you can’t analyze your %won on BB by mixing it with a small blind position.
The next hand I folded was 65o but I didn't hit the flop (no matches, just a straight draw).
The same here – “the next hand I folded” is not equal to “the next hand”. The next hand after K6o was some other hand, but the next hand that I folded preflop was 65o.
But furthemore, this tackles a fault in your analysis that you seem to not understand. You cant isolate a hand and say "the chance this hits is 34%" then the next "the chance this misses is 70%" etc etc and the combine all together and go well its 0.34 * 0.70 * 0.2 etc etc till you get a bizarre number.. Thats not how math works.I just played a session of 500 hands, I could iso
I do not calculate it like that, Slugant. Totally different.
I calculate the deviation chances. I was supposed to hit 32.4%, but I hit 80% (4 of 5 hands). I calculate what are the chances for the variance - 80% or higher. It's a standard task in any analysis all-ins, flop hitting %, anything.
What you say about "I got exactly A4, 87, KJ, T4" - yes, it's senseless to calculate this. And it's totally different calculation.
You keep on isolating hands or isolating very small samples. John from what i've seen online you have played 540k+ hands since 2018. You claim you've been playing since 2006. That is 19 years worth of poker hands.
And yet you show up with screenshots of 5 hands... 5!
Look, these 5 hands is just an example. I got 11 tournaments in a row (!!) where I hit from 0.2% variance to 17% in 10 of them!! It’s simply incredible. And I ANNOUNCED to players – “I’m going to track the results starting from this moment”. I do not choose anything! I just start to play and monitor the results –
Look at that!
By the way, I have played one more tournament today, lol. To prepare for streaming. And watch it's results...
(https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UYsjYNn...)
Can you see, it's the first game in a month, the previous one was on the 3rd of May 2025. (I don't play at all lately).
Today, on the 3rd of June I played a tournament to prepare for streaming, and I got this -
(I show you this, cause it's pure fun, but you do not believe me)
(lmao 82 88 QQ 8?)
(lol, A4 A4 A9 flop A 3 9? Cool)
Lol, man, you can't believe they rig it that bad? Open Hand History. Yes, they rig is THAT hard.
And yes, it happenes EVERY tournament with almost no exclusions. Man, this 7 of 10 flops hitting happenes once in 1738 hands played. I see it every tournament (almost) of 20-30 hands!
I mean how many more tournament should I analyze to say this is a dependency? What probability of rigging you wanna get? You have got 0.000 000 008% variance? May be enough, lol?
It is a "preannounced" test of the software, and it shows THIS. It's not a chosen "cherry". I say - "I play and watch" and I see 11 of 12 tournaments 0.2% to 17% variance? It's a cicrus. Not even close to be random. Just an algorithm decide to "deal some flops in time". It's not any uniform distribution.
Because now, even if I agree that those 800 hands in your analysis are rigged, how about the other 2 or 3 million?? Like you said before, they could have just turn the rig-switch on and off (your words😉)
Good point here.
Look, if they rig this, it's a law violation. Okay, it should be anounced that they broke a law. More then that, since it's a "software" it's supposed to do it on a regular basic. But I can agree with you - a Gambling supervision authority must check this, if they do this on a regular basis. And have send this materials to Curacao (😃 rofl)
It's important to understand that I do not "cherry pick". I announce - "let's track this". And it's crazy if it happenes in the exeriment. What this experiment for then?
Lol, I'm going to stream my games, will it be cherry picking? I will just start to play games and have to show if I can predict hands to be the best on the table and possible to push or to fold.
"Cherry picking" = I have got 2 million hands, but I take special hands which I like because they prove my hypothesis. I DO NOT take special hands. I suggest guys (on Gipsy) to make a REAL check of the software here and now.
Thats old to get into tennis and become an elite coach. Btw, why does an elite tennis coach work with amateurs? Why isnt Zverev calling you?
I didn't say i'm an elite tennis coach, if I remember right - I said something like "i'm a successful tennis coach", same as people say "he is a successful business man". I meant that I managed to built my own activity from Zero and manage to train really well, people are highly satisfied, but i'm not collecting "replies" on the internet.
At the same time - yes, an elite coach should work with pro players. And I will probably get there, but I refused to go there (I know several coaches of a national tennis team), cause I didn't want to leave Russia. If you work with sportmen, you need to be there on the tournaments, you know.
Where exactly does the number of tables played come into the algorithm?In your livestream when predicting outcomes, will you determine if people at your table will get lucky/unlucky beforehand based on the amount of tables that they are playing?You "know the algorithm" so please show us the formula to how multitabling affects the losing/winning "waves".. Is 3tabling running dec
Look. You should understand that we discuss different topics of the online gaming
1. Statistics of gaming process
2. Verbal description of the algorithm (I'm going to stream this) - how they distribute hands between players
3. General question regarding accounts and "who win"/"who lose"/"who is good"/"does the room prioritize accounts"
All this is different stuff.
I do know - the startistical stuff (#1), I do know the algorithmic stuff (#2). But I can only suppose general accounts managing by the room (#3). My observations show, that extremely low skilled players manage to win average limits (not you, i don't know you, but i know other guys). How? Lol, I saw that. Guys win everything on a final table, getting AK vs AQ on a buble. And, at the same time - I can't GET ANYTHING on a buble of SnGs. Simply useless. So, I suppose they (rooms) favoring players who play more games. Cause, obviously, it's profitable for the room.
I can't answer 100% correctly on your ideas regarding accounts managing. If we decided that the game is rigged - then, yes, It's a good question "how do those guys win??".
I think that level influence on the result. But, at the same time, another factors play a significant role in the results.
Then why did you call yourself a top 1% poker player?
Why did you introduce yourself here on 2+2 in multiple threads, on pokerstrategy, on gypsy and on youtube as a "professional level player"
Because I played different limits and I compared my level to other players. I saw how I lose, and why I lose.
I know that I lose cause of been killed on top pairs flopped when some guys start "accidentely" raise me and I fold. And I can't prove they did have a better hand on a flop then my top pair flopped. But, at the same time, I can see, that every time I go for bluff (almost every time, of course) - I win this pot. So it's obvious to me, that the software put other weaker players on a better hand against my strong postflop hands. It's simply obvious to a player of my experience.
And I measure my level comparing to players who I met in games. Yes, in my opinion I'm literelly TOO far comparing to 99% of players. If you play me - you will notice this. I'm not just "good".
But to make YOU believe this, yes, I agree, I must show the results. But I don't ask you to admit my level, all I do - I draw my own opinion about my gaming level basing on players that I met online.
May be, offline players are much better then me - I don't know. But I can see the situation online. Yes, I was always dominating the tables. MTTs, SnGs again and again, always the best player on the table, bluffing collecting free money, and then loosing having huge hands vs hands of other weaker opponents which appeared to be even better then mine one. And this - on a regular basis. Just impossible to beat, cause the game is "closed", cards are "mucked". I can't prove this. And the only chance I got - I opened 431 + 450 hands of my opponents and YES - it is rigged in some CRAZY way. The end, lol. They can't fool players any more if this analysis will be reviewed by someone more valuable in poker sphere then I am.
And what I mean with vague guesswork John is the following:
You say the rng is rigged by an algorithm, if you do A then B happens.
If you win a hand, then the next hand your AQ is beat by AK for instance.
You are right at some point.
Look. If you play an all-in AA vs TT and got 81%. Let's say they took some Aces from the deck and this all-in became like 70/30 (but not 80/20).
Will it be like A -> B. No, man, it will be still random. So it's still possible to commite a mistake in a predicting. But -
In my situation with forecasting of the hands (for streaming) - A LOT OF different stuff influence on the process of dealing hands. Yes, you are right - multitabling is one of them, and yes, I mark with note colors "regular players" ))
But i'm not sure I will use this on streaming, because it's just "one of factors" and I will use more valuable factors to take good decisions. Yes, it MAY cause my mistakes. But man, I don't wanna waste so much time preparing a full analysis of the gameplay. I will try to predict well basing on a logic - "after a good decision, the software will provoke me to make a bad decision".
It's not like I 100% described all the nuanses of the algorithm. It's impossible, I haven't got a source code of a billion$ company iPoker. But I described enough to show you the game is more then predictable.
Many players dont believe your theories about the rng/algorithms and if they disprove it. Instead of working on your hypothesis or question it, you say "oh yea sure you beat the rng, because you multitable. Its easy to beat the RNG when you play many tables because that means the software gives you a favored account"
Look, I'm a bit worried to comment that, cause you are going to insist "you are crazy". But.
In case I played "optimal" poker. I would have probably won something while playing 1 table. But since I fold AQ and push 42o "in time" software recognizes me as a "FISH" player. And it seriously influence on a result. This is what I suppose... I'm not sure here. But I can't know that. The fact is that I know how they deal hands, lol. And once I start using it, I can't even show Zero$ profit.
While I play normal poker - I show profite. But not when I start to fold good hands in time.
I know many people who in fact play a huge amount of tables simultaneously but lose (you could call it a losing wave). These are often rakeback pro's but if your "more tables = better run" theory holds up they should be winning pre-rb. The fact that they have less time to think than their opponents shouldnt factor in, because the software chooses the winning/losing wave, not th
Well, it's imporant here if those "many tables" players win more? I mean, if the do 10% ROI per table, while playing 20 tables - their profite is 20 * 10% = 200% ROI. And if you play 4 tables and make 30% on each of them - you will only do 120% ROI. It's also important.
But again, yes, the gaming level is "probably influence" but I have heard some opinions, and I totally agree -
In case you start to bluff too much, steal chips of players the software starts to generate too agressive flow of "beaten" hands to this player. I mean, If you play online, you shouldn't bluff too much. And this is totally wrong, it's a bad play in a fair game. So it's hard to say "what is the good level of poker" online?
In my opinion, if you wanna win online - you shouldn't bluff too much. And should go for a "standard" decisions that the software expects you to make. Looks like they classify players somehow. But again, it's just thoughts.
Guys, look -
I'd agree that it would be very strong evidence garnered from 500k past hands, (just a reference number). Then could be proposed a hypothesis. I think the almost undeniable proof would be that if, going forward, the next 500k hands showed only 4% as well.
Has Johnmir proposed any hypothesis yet, that can be tested by others?
He only showed his own stats which people than can "check"if he indeed was beat with aq.
But no, there has never been a strong hypothesis, formula or solid algorithm. Its all a bunch of vague guesswork thusfar.
Mike, Slugant.
The algorithm of the software is just huge, there are A LOT OF nuances. I think you understand, that if they (the rooms) implement some "rigging" into the game - it's not just some easy stuff to describe, otherwise, it was described 20 years ago, lol.
But I can give you some SIMPLE suggestion to test the hypothesis of rigging.
1. The start of an SnG tournament after a very profitable finish of a previos one.
These are screen shots of my streaming for Gipsy Team. Look at the end of the first SnG tournament -
This is a very profitable 89% allin on a heads-up of 9max SnG. Now can you check how the second SnG starts for you?
For me it starts with -
Yes, it's the only the 5th hand of a tournament. And yes, the software generates a negative hand after a very profitable decision - so that noone will win TOO much in the game and won't withdraw too much money from the room.
Now look one more case (it's my steam for Gipsy Team!! It's not a specially taken hand, lol, I predict this.)
This is the end of SnG tournament -
And this is the start of the following tournament -
This is only the 2nd (!!!) hand of the tournament, and I predictably get a "bad situation" generated, but I fold this hand (this is a stream!! no a picked hand)
This is the easiest thing to check for you!
GOOD END = BAD START of the next SnG tournament. Can you predict it? Can you fold your good hand "in time" if you just finished a very good Sit&Go?
All the other stuff is more complicated to "check" as a hypothesis cause it's based on a perfect understanding of a tournament development process according to ICM share changes... It's not as easy as you think. Yes it's an economic model. But that rule I described is VERY EASY to check.
Most-likely it will work in ANY room you play in. But it will work for iPoker - for sure.
2. Cool combination series on the flop in case you folded your hand on a preflop (provokation of a tight player to play the postflop)
Can you just check if you play tight, that if you open your tournament hands of the last tournament - you will find there sequence of hands like -
It is VERY rare. Do you get it every next tournament?
Send screenshots or a hand history files and I WILL TELL you how often your personal case happens (if you don't show me 2000 screens, guys. I have a limited free time 😀).
You check -
I. How many hands you played in total in a tournament when you
- folded your hand preflop (decided not to play on a postflop AND
- your opponents decided to play on a flop, so the flop was dealt
II. And you try to find a rare "chain of hands" with a pairs/top pairs/two pairs/full houses etc FLOPPED in case you folded a hand.
And we will CALCULATE A CHANCE to meet this in the tournament played by you.
P.S. Lol, guys, you are killing me by provoking to type that much text... I need to do other stuff, really... 😵
