GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
Not compared to MJ
And my post was in response to why he was better than Lebron... But neither are anywhere near MJ..
Both Kareem and Lebron have a maximum of 3 chips as the best player each, while MJ has 6 in far less time and with far less help.
But Kareem is the same players regardless he played with who isnt he ?
and yet u complain he sucked
Only compared to MJ.
How is anyone in today's game better than this?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1SHYG2jMQ...
Lebron would be celebrating... Lebron knows that his bar is lower and the media will pretend that losing the Finals is better than winning it..
This is amazing logic.
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Since the best American player in today's NBA is Ant, and since he's a joke compared to MJ, Robinson, Shaq, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Alonzo, Drexler, Penny, Kemp, Payton, Stockton, and about 20 other guys, it's confirmed that American basketball has cratered and is a complete joke compared to prior eras.
This cratering of American basketball more than offsets the rise in international players, since American players are still the majority of the NBA... This proves conclusively that today's NBA players are vastly inferior to prior eras.
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Tremendous logic. 1. Assume American players today are inferior since Ant is not even top 20 in 1990s NBA. 2. Therefore American players are vastly inferior today compared to the 90s.
Not compared to MJ
And my post was in response to why he was better than Lebron... But neither are anywhere near MJ..
Both Kareem and Lebron have a maximum of 3 chips as the best player each, while MJ has 6 in far less time and with far less help.
Only compared to MJ.
Funny if Lebron so close to Kareem in winning and yet Kareem easily to top 10 but not Lebron ….
And Lebron never played with a player as great as magic or oscar but let’s not bring that up …
This kind of argument only should be mention for mj ….
Funny if Lebron so close to Kareem in winning and yet Kareem easily to top 10 but not Lebron ….
And Lebron never played with a player as great as magic or oscar but let’s not bring that up …
This kind of argument only should be mention for mj ….
Lebron and Kareem's winning isn't close because Kareem produced great teams.. He was the highly-assisted player that every dynasty is led by.
Otoh, Lebron is a ball-dominator, so he never produced great teams and nearly always underperformed his rosters.
So their winning isn't close...
The 80's Lakers were a great team that would destroy Lebron's Heat, who barely won 50 games with the preseason favorite for 3 of 4 years... They were also beat by record amount by a team of fossils in 2014, even though Dirk's 8-seeded Mavs nearly the Spurs in the 1st Round... The Heat also needed a miracle shot from Ray Allen to avoid 1 for 4, and they were also underdogs to baby Westbrick in 2012... All of this shows that the Heat weren't that good and Kareem's Lakers would destroy them.
This is amazing logic. "Since the best American player in today's NBA is Ant, and since he's a joke compared to MJ, Robinson, Shaq, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Alonzo, Drexler, Penny, Kemp, Payton, Stockton, and about 20 other guys, it's confirmed that American basketball has cratered and is a complete joke compared to prior eras.This cratering of American basketball more than offs
KJ is better than Ant, so American basketball has cratered from MJ to KJ..
This confirms that today's NBA players are worse than prior eras, since the cratering of the best source of players (America) more than offsets the rise in international players...
FYI - KJ made 2 WCF in 89' and 90', while upsetting Magic's 63-win Lakers to make the WCF in 90'.. He was a better passer, leader and equal scorer to Ant (or better), while also having better stats like PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, etc... KJ also dominated Hakeem's Rockets in 2 different 7-game series during the 94' and 95' Playoffs (29/5/9 in both series).. Again, this compares to Ant and exceeds his performance thus far.
KJ is better than Ant, so American basketball has cratered from MJ to KJ..This confirms that today's NBA players are worse than prior eras, since the cratering of the best source of players (America) more than offsets the rise in international players...FYI - KJ made 2 WCF in 89' and 90', while upsetting Magic's 63-win Lakers to make the WCF in 90'.. He was a better passer, lea
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Back-to-Back Runs to the WCF at 22-23 Years Old - KJ vs ANT
Regular Season
89' and 90' KJ'........... 21.5 PER... 0.191 WS/48... 4.6 OBPM... 0.0 DBPM... 59.1 TS ()
24' and 25' ANT........ 19.9 PER... 0.135 WS/48... 3.6 OBPM... 0.2 DBPM... 58.5 TS ()
Playoffs
89' and 90' KJ'........... 21.4 PER... 0.169 WS/48... 5.2 OBPM... 0.6 DBPM... 58.2 TS ()
24' and 25' ANT........ 21.3 PER... 0.163 WS/48... 4.7 OBPM... 1.7 DBPM... 58.1 TS ()
CONCLUSION:
KJ was better than the best American player today (Ant), so American basketball has cratered from MJ to KJ... This confirms that today's NBA players are worse than prior eras, since the cratering of the best source of players (America) more than offsets the rise in international players...
Were you being sarcastic man?
It was Jerry Krause's advice, and it was excellent, so not crazy
The common thread between Phil, Pop and Kerr is that they all had a highly-assisted player as 1st option (elite off-ball player), as required to run the ball movement systems that every dynasty has (Bulls, Lakers, Spurs, Warriors).
Otoh, high-scoring primary ball-handlers (ball-dominators) can't be the elite off-ball players required of the ball movement systems used by dynasties, so today's skillset of ball-dominators can't produce great team.
The superior ball movement and resulting dynasty capability of teams from prior eras proves that they would demolish today's inferior brand of ball-domination.. It's intuitive bball 101
Bird said Jordan was God and Bobby Knight said MJ was goat before he played a single NBA game...
Cousy said that MJ was the obvious goat and he was Russell's teammate
Lebron and Kareem's winning isn't close because Kareem produced great teams.. He was the highly-assisted player that every dynasty is led by.Otoh, Lebron is a ball-dominator, so he never produced great teams and nearly always underperformed his rosters.So their winning isn't close... The 80's Lakers were a great team that would destroy Lebron's Heat, who barely won 50 games wit
That was not even 2 pages ago….
Kareem was a role player for half his rings and lost many times with the most help of all-time... This is public information.That's why he was never compared to Jordan or considered goat at any point in his life until the fake goat debate was fabricated by Klutch media.. This is literally what happened.. A complete fabrication.And everyone that made All-NBA was at least +160 in
Kareem needed the "Michael Jordan" of point guards to win (Magic and before him Oscar), otherwise he was borderline lottery with anything less.. Literally anything... He produced bad teams with HOF casts like Norm Nixon, Jamal Wilkes, Gail Goodrich and many more.. He had 19 players be all-star alongside him (1 for Jordan).
I guess I don’t understand English shrug .
Lebron and Kareem's winning isn't close because Kareem produced great teams.. He was the highly-assisted player that every dynasty is led by.Otoh, Lebron is a ball-dominator, so he never produced great teams and nearly always underperformed his rosters.So their winning isn't close... The 80's Lakers were a great team that would destroy Lebron's Heat, who barely won 50 games wit
Didn’t u accuse magic to be Ball dominatior and so a bad player , not Even top 10 and then u say only reason Kareem won is was because of magic ?
Kareem needed the "Michael Jordan" of point guards to win (Magic and before him Oscar), otherwise he was borderline lottery with anything less.. Literally anything... He produced bad teams with HOF casts like Norm Nixon, Jamal Wilkes, Gail Goodrich and many more.. He had 19 players be all-star alongside him (1 for Jordan).
Then Lebron won 4 times and u complain Lebron suck because of his domination of the Ball .
Yet only 1 player won more mvp final then Lebron and magic seem the primary reason why Kareem won anything ….
I just don’t get it ….
Didn’t u accuse magic to be Ball dominatior and so a bad player , not Even top 10 and then u say only reason Kareem won is was because of magic ?
Then Lebron won 4 times and u complain Lebron suck because of his domination of the Ball .
Yet only 1 player won more mvp final then Lebron and magic seem the primary reason why Kareem won anything ….
I just don’t get it ….
Both guys needs lots of help, but the difference is that Kareem produced great teams and Lebron didn't....
Specifically, Kareem needs goat PG's, while Lebron needs "jordan-style" closers like wade or kyrie, and then 3rd options that are better than Pau... Or he needs kareem-style dominators like AD.
So both guys need tons of help, but the difference is that Kareem produced great teams and Lebron didn't.
Kareem is below the GOAT standard of Jordan because he lost several times with good help, but he's above lebron because he produced great teams.. So the great teams make him better than Lebron, while the losses in other years despite good help make him inferior to Jordan.
None of the teams Jordan beat in the Finals were remotely as good as the teams Kareem lost to in the Finals were.
Remember in 1992 when MJ had a number 2 that played as well the (non-MJ) MVP from that season (Drexler)?
Talk about making it easy for him.
None of the teams Jordan beat in the Finals were remotely as good as the teams Kareem lost to in the Finals were.
Kareem lost 5 or 6 times with the goat point guard and bevies of all-star teammates, while MJ was unbeatable the instant he got 1 low-producing all-star.
In other words, it's a knock on Kareem that he lost 6 times with the goat point guard and bevies of other stars.. Jordan would win 11 or 12 titles with the help that Kareem had
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Remember in 1992 when MJ had a number 2 that played as well the (non-MJ) MVP from that season (Drexler)?
Talk about making it easy for him.
Pippen only got transition points or automatic system points, so he never played anywhere near guys that were asked to iso, dominate, and be the focus of defenses.. It's night and day to compare system players like Draymond or Pippen to a dominant franchise player like Drexler.
Pippen wasn't a "scorer" that was asked to iso or command double-teams.. Pippen wasn't capable of 15 ppg outside the system... Since he had low peak capability and never dominated, he wasn't on scouting reports (previous post)..
Defenses didn't have to double Pippen or closeout on him - he afforded coaches the rare luxury of sagging off and packing the paint for MJ's drives.. This is why MJ was frequently required to drop 30, 40 and 50 on all jumpers - the paint would be packed because defenses didn't have to guard Pippen.. It's amazing that Jordan won and dominated with worst-ever spacing.
And you should be aware how bad Pippen was in the Finals compared to other guys that won multiple chips... Specifically, anyone that won more than 2 Finals needed a teammate to get 25 ppg or FMVP for at least 1 of the Finals, except Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg.. So Jordan won with less..
I’ll take Cowens/Havlicek Moses/Dr J & Bird/McHale over Drexler/Porter, GP/Kemp & Mailman/Stockton thanks.
Pippen only got transition points or automatic system points, so he never played anywhere near guys that were asked to iso, dominate, and be the focus of defenses.. It's night and day to compare system players like Draymond or Pippen to a dominant franchise player like Drexler.Pippen wasn't a "scorer" that was asked to iso or command double-teams.. Pippen wasn't capable of 15 p
i think you miss the point entirely.
btw FG, after dissing kobe on how great was scottie on D.
here is another one that hate scottie, but clearly gives his props to him .
i wonder if u can ever find anyone calling pippen a bad defender like u do ?
And why no one ever spoke how pippen wasnt ever a controversy for him to finish so often in the best defending team in the league ?
