Daniel Negreanu's very own containment thread. All things Danny go here

The way they have it is fine imo, it’s just 2 re-entries so it’s not mass insanity. And it’s just a $600 buyin so ideally want some help in propping up the prize pool. If it was a pure freezeout 1st might not even be 6 figures

Joe Q Publics are not always dic broke low wage earners who scraped together one buyin from loose change under couch cushions. Many of them are on vacation with jobs who can afford multiple buyins and appreciate the opportunity of doing so when their top set gets cracked by a big combo draw in PLO

The $10,000 main event is a freezeout and should always remain so. But I don’t think there’s a need to maintain the purity of WSOP by making the $600 a freezeout. If goal was to be completely pure they would eliminate such a small buyin from WSOP altogether.

There's nothing wrong with stating facts. Saying he's not a poker pro isn't an insult. It's the truth. Any pro would rather make millions a year guaranteed in endorsements than grind poker. And it's almost impossible to have his money tree and to still have the hunger to put in all of the world top players are putting in these days.

He doesn't "wind up deep in all these tournaments" - He's down overall at wsop going back close to a decade. Of course he goes deep in some events and is off to a good start this year. Maybe this year he will have a great series.

He's phenomenal at marketing himself and crushing life.

He’s a poker pro. If he just sat around playing chess and with his dogs he wouldn’t get GG money. So in order to get paid he has to play a lot of poker and in order to keep it in long run must do relatively well in it. That’s playing for a living, a pro.

He has around 24 million in WSOP earnings. 250 and 100Ks are somewhat recent developments. While I’m not positive I would think his earnings exceed his buyins

He's makes his money as a brand ambassador.

He obviously was a poker pro at one point.

Unlike most he actually gives net results each year. His earnings haven't exceeded his buy ins for a long period of time. And he doesn't care. he'd happily lose money every year if he could guarantee a bracelet.His poker playing is basically a marketing expense for him.

If Danny could break even it would be winning, paying the rake to the organizers. How many players not having a clue are in WSOP these days? My guess: not many. If he is in the best third I'm fine.

He has the record for the most PGT wins. Must be like 100% ROI+ in those.

He’s a poker pro walking around today. While it’s true that more of his poker income is fixed he is still a pro. He’s as much a poker pro as Bryce Harper is a pro baseball player

It’s convenient to arbitrarily break off his wsop record so he gets hurt by underperformance in 250Ks and ignore the 2nd in 1M tourney.

And also advantageous to ignore SHR and PGT wins. He’s cashed for around 1.1M on PGT alone, probably at least double the buyins.

I'm not arbitrarily cutting anything off. I'm not ignoring anything. He gives his net results at the end of each year and has basically broken even for close to ten years.

Also baseball was a terrible sport for you to pick to try and make that point. Besides Ohtani baseball players don't make that much in endorsements relative to their salaries . Harper easily makes at least 5 times from his salary as a player than he does in endorsements.

That was an atrocious analogy.

He's as much of a poker pro as Michael Jordan is still a pro basketball player.

There is absolutely no argument you can make whatsoever to label him as not being a poker pro. None.

Actually it was a pristine analogy. Harper and Negreanu are both on a salary. Negreanu also does endorsements such as Lexicon bank. But there’s a difference but since GG wouldn’t continue to pay him if he sat on his couch it means he’s being paid to play poker. You know what that means? He’s a poker pro.

Borg23: “I’m not arbitrarily cutting anything!…but again let’s just look at past ten years….” Lol

Dude’s a pro

Currently 1st of 13 in $10K NL 2-7 SD, always filled with top pros. Pretty good for an amateur. Hope he ships it and shuts people here up for a few days.

Nice, I’m mostly hoping he keeps on making final tables to get it televised and in end get the PokerGO schedule that should have been in place to begin with

Lol I said he hasn't been a pro in about 15 years. He's not a pro any more than Jordan is a pro basketball player today.

I'm not ignoring tournament series he does good in and focusing on bad ones like a lot of people do (in both directions.)

It's a horrendous analogy. Harper makes 30 million a a year as a baseball player and a couple million in endorsements.

If he makes 0 in endorsements the next 6 years he's still owed 150 million to play baseball.

DNegs wins or loses less than a million a year playing poker and makes millions a year in endorsements.

He's a brand ambassador that's it. And that's not a knock at all. It's an extremely well paid position with no risk.

Let’s simplify.

Let’s assume DN did not play poker at all this year. My guess is that GG somehow gets out of contract or at least doesn’t renew it.

If you disagree stop me now but this tells us he gets paid to play poker. And people who get paid to play poker are poker professionals.

The analogy is a home run, pun intended

Let's assume all of Bryce Harper's endorsement Money for the last ten years is clawed back. He's still made over 200 mill playing baseball in that time.hes a professional baseball player.

Take away all of his endorsement money for the remainder of his contract and he's still getting paid to play baseball.

Now do the same for DNegs. Yea exactly.

Like I said it's an awful analogy.
Jordan is a much better analogy. Not perfect but better.

As long as he plays poker consistently and is viewed as a professional and considers himself a professional, I don't think it matters how much he makes playing or from endorsements. Except for the early days before he was the face of poker, Daniel has probably made most of his money from various endorsements just like Tiger Woods.

He is doing pretty well for an amateur. He has a 2nd place and another final table in 10Ks in the Series so far. Then he just set the record for PGT wins. Won the $50K 9-game last Series.

I know people here realize he is a losing player making money from endorsement. However, all the phony wins impress the fish he is paid to lure into a crooked poker site.

DNegs has 55M in career earnings. No idea buyins but if line was set at say over or under 47M what would you say?

Now how much would GG pay him if he stopped playing poker? If you are thinking the answer is zero you are correct.

Bro, by any definition he’s a pro.

And my analogy is so perfect it’s divine and we should celebrate it in church this Sunday.

Just because DNegs doesn’t NEED to play poker to make money, doesn’t mean he isn’t a professional poker player.

DNegs currently 5/8 at 10k NL 2-7 LowBall Championship Final Table. Not sure why PokerGo isn’t showing this FT free and live on YT right now. Lots of other big names… Nick Schulman in 1st, Darren Elias in 2nd, Dan Smith in 4th.

6 of the 8 have bracelets. That 10K NL 2-7 always has big names. Don't know why they don't televise it.

It's great an amateur like Negreanu made the final table of such a tough tournament.

Agreed, and neither does the fact that he had a long break even or losing period. Nothing more swingy than a live MTT player playing big buyins on his own dime with no swapping.

But if he’s netted say 8M over 30 years playing tournament poker that’s obviously a pro

And then being on salary which is contingent on you playing then he’s a pro twice over

That should end all that

He has netted a lot more than 8m in tournaments. He did that just in the one drop 2nd place. Plus huge profits when he was making all those final tables early on and huge profits in PGTs recently. It isn't all on his own dime, but probably most of it.

I have no idea but when you are debating it’s optimal to lean on side of being conservative

Because as far as I’m concerned I win the debate assuming he netted 8M over 30 years

Let borg23 walk down the street tonight and ask 1,000 people if anyone who made 8M over 30 years was professional at what they do. It’s coming back 1,000 yes

DNegs is a BRAND that plays poker. He sells his brand via poker and, in that sense, playing poker is his profession.

But make no mistake, DNegs was/is marketing himself more than anything else. And kudos to him for doing it so well when others have struggled.