Cheating on the gulf coast

Yeah, the venue should be asking Maurice to give the 3rd place player the difference between 3rd place and what the ICM value of his stack would have been if he had won that pot.

Maurice doesn't want to pay? Fine you're no longer welcome at this venue or any other WSOP-affiliated events.

At what point does this type of **** from Maurice become a pattern of behavior warranting a ban? Maurice is shouting "outed him," influencing the dealer to incorrectly award him the pot when he lost.

I've seen a pot worth a few hundred bucks get incorrectly awarded in a cash game, and when the venue realized the mistake they asked the beneficiary to make it right or they would be banned. This situation should be no different.

Your last example is wild

"Hey we ****ed up so you better make it right or we will ban you"

nutty

Maurice should have long ago been banned for his behavior towards players at the table and for being a scammer.

But if anyone is eating any money here it should be the venue.

Wsop doesn't facilitate chops and you'd essentially be forcing an icm chop against their own rules because they messed up.

Yea maybe Maurice saw it but maybe he didn't. I wouldn't trust the guy with a quarter. But at the end of the day he's not the one who got the pot wrong and it's not his fault the TD wasn't at the table for the all in like he should have been.

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you. In the example I listed I also felt that the venue should have been the ones who made things right out of promo funds or whatever.

In the case of Maurice though he has a history of this kind of stuff. Trust me he knew exactly what was going down.

No you deliberately mislead the dealer into at best a mistake but more likely bribed them to make the "mistake" and we are going to make you pay for your behavior.

It's infintesimally likely that Maurice somehow bribed the dealer hoping to find exactly this situation, which would require an incredible parlay of events to hit, including the other player not realizing his hand either.

This exact situation I agree unlikely. An offer of money for all possible situations much more likely.

lol no it isn’t likely in any way, shape, or form

Not saying it's necessarily "likely," but it's certainly possible that if this dealer was already part of a cheating team splitting profits he could have just spotted an opportunity and took it.

Given that this thread existed before the Baltimore event and given some of the current heat, a cheating dealer might have a tough time setting a deck in a high profile spot. But they could certainly do something as simple as pitching Maurice's opponents cards a little high so Maurice sometimes catches a glimpse of the cards, occasionally "miscount" stacks or misread the board so that it benefits him, etc.

and it is definitely easier to win when you have 3+ people in your stable on the final 2 tables!

Ah they're just horrible rednecks it's the softest game ever. Fierce competitors crush stupid rednecks!

A couple of poker pros have alleged there is wide spread cheating going on in the Vegas poker scene. I happen to know this as fact in cash games. Mike Holtz has alleged it is going on in tournaments I have no doubt that is also true. This cheating has reached at times to the highest levels in the poker rooms. Some things to keep a eye out for.
My credentials are simple I have been playing a proping since the 70s and for 8 years these were deal ourselves games in California. The best mechanics and collusion teams from all over the world came there. You learn fast.
1. If a dealer doesn't keep his deck hand level. Say like looking at his watch or dragging in the pot with deck hand. Mention it to him. Could be sloppy procedures but it only takes a second to put pressure on your thumb and know what the next cards are. This move is uncatchable by the camera.
2. Any quick burn card moves should be watch that burn card should come off slow and easy.
3. Conversation to players in a hand not concerning anything in particular is bad. Head down and deal.
4. Counting tray why hand is in progress.
These are a few ways dealers can cheat and help friends I won't go into to much details on how they are possibly cheating I'm not here to show you how.
5. Same players everyday in same games who seem to be playing tight but also seem to be in the same pots often building action when surprise one of them has a monster
6. Above players bet and raise post flop after third party check. The original bettor folds
7. Above players open raise small and the other player reraisers large once others are in the middle original raiser folds
8. Collusion teams work in 3s
9. Collusion teams often have as many as 10 or more involved with one leaving and another taking his place
10. Foreign language spoken during hands.
11. Player next to you becoming friendly and showing you his cards and trying to get you to reciprocate
12. One or more of suspected team members leave the table a couple minutes apart to go to restroom
13. Players that hold or cap their cards in different positions flat palm,close fist index fingers in different spots on the cards in different hands. Different denomination of chips on the cards or capping with different amount of chips or capping with chips on different positions on the cards corners middle etc. These are signing techniques.
14. A person with his other hand on the table flat or in a fist also sign6
15 these signs last for a split second then they are gone. You better know what you are looking for.
16. A hand dealer with no shuffler who places burns and board cards on top of the pile or grabs a hand and throws it on top. Remember if the flop contains a ace and you throw that ace on the bottom of a pile and the the rest of the board and muck then the winning hand with a ace on bottom you have a forward slug that gives the bb aces. Make sure the dealers are hand shuffling the top of the deck.
17. Keep track of what's in the pot
These are just some of the ways cheating goes on in cash games. I promise you if you have played cash for any amount of time in Vegas you have been cheated. This subject is something that is never brought up but it is always existent in the past it was much worse and it's much better nowadays but you still have to protect yourself. It always surprises me the people are shocked the cheating goes on in poker cheating has gone on in poker since the Wild Wild West. BTW this list is short I'd be here all day posting everything.

Cody won the RGPS Tunica Main this morning...

People really dont protect themselves. Way too many dealers don't keep the deck level roll the deck,check their watch etc. I've rarely seen anyone else say something about this.

A few days I had a new dealer accidentally give the burn card to the SB as a 5th card in plo, immediately realize and take it back. He then told us it was the burn card and left it down while the action happened preflop. I had to tell him to put it back on top of the deck until it was time to burn.

It was an innocent mistake but also shows how most players don't pay any attention to game protection and now easy it would be for a dealer cheat them.

Now in double deck blackjack I can't remember the last time I saw a dealer roll the deck or something of that nature because they'd be fired. But when it comes to poker, rooms really aren't too concerned about game protection.

Hes just 25 times better then the rest of us. Nothing to see here.

Fierce, competitive, shirtless.

It’s even worse in rooms where dealers aren’t technically employees. Funny how the cash games at regional poker tournaments where the same dealers are now an employee and subject to gaming, tighten their processes up significantly.

Whole ass team of cheaters.

LOL

I don't even have an opinion....

However, I have a question regarding the tournaments they are winning:

They aren't like some super deep stack tourneys right? Because unless they are, the idea they are routinely running deep (several of them) or winning its mostly an even bigger crapshoot obviously.

I am no tourney math expert, but I believe what happens in these smallish field tourney’s, that aren’t deep (starting stack), being 10+ BI’s deep per horse (on say a team of 10 players), is adding significant amounts of chips to tables that aren’t increasing in numbers (of tables, its just the same people busting and getting reassigned), added to the fact that there are reports of blind all-in’s, this is occurring quickly and stack size distribution is lopsided in level 4 lets say.

Its possible that a perfect storm of poker events can allow one of these horses to win a few huge all ins that contain an abnormal amount of chips in that level and it puts the the weekend warriors with 25bbs in an uncomfortable spot every hand given an aggressive player having that many chips that early. Then they just coast to final tables hoping to profit from the payout jumps because min cashing won’t make them any money (this is the perspective I think they want the doubters to have based on the comments such as “it’s easy to beat country bumpkins and cowboys who don’t know how to play tourney poker.”😉

I agree it is even harder mathematically for them to be making these final tables up against variance in small buy in tourneys, which is why it doesn’t pass the smell test to experienced players.

Watch they're laying low and will make their next moves at some big money

Cook:em

https://youtu.be/mVRjdxyHrjs?si=_PTdYijk...

Cody is selling a WSOP package if you want to get a piece of the crusher