Israel/Palestine thread

they go straight to bombing childrens hospitals.

Buddy, you basically ARE Nick Fuentes. He hates Jews more than you do, ok, but outside of that...

As far as I'm concerned, you're his sister, Lucy Fuentes, a slightly more moderate version of the real thing.

I doubt pretty strongly that some of America's weaker allies would materially support America's side to a significant degree (much like what occurred with Iraq in the early 2000s), and I also don't see how you can just casually dismiss China's potential involvement. Your last sentence seems especially dubious.

Would one side enjoy a militaristic advantage? Yeah, entirely possible, much like countless other wars throughout history.

More important than all of our speculations combined is the fact that Israel is aggressively expanding their campaign, seemingly trying to pick a fight with the entire region, and they need to be stopped. Hopefully that can be done without more sprawl, but I doubt it!

Lol he is a christian white supremacist who hates jews.

I am an atheist, and i am very pro quality immigration of all ethnicities and i like jews a lot.

He is basically my antithesis

China is smart enough to never enter a war voluntarily it knows it doesn't have an advantage in. If attacked it would respond sure.

Israel is doing the west bidding in the area. It's about time residents there understand they only exist out of our goodwill. They either bend their ****ing knees to our will or die.

Gotta be tilting for the pro-IDF guys that this is what their allies think of Israel.

I mean, does anyone itt want to see ww3 start? I ask because its hard to make it happen if your average civilian in China or in the US or anywhere isnt really in board with having their life turned upside down to support fighting for what exactly?

Not picking a side but if there’s one thing I’m certain of it’s that universally nobody looks at lucy as their ally

Uh huh. You two have different identities. Granted. Now let's look at, say, ALMOST ANY social issue. Or how about we compare the opinions of you and your antithesis on leftism and/or Marxism, and how people within these groups should be treated by the authorities. And, again, any number of social issues which I don't have the inclination to spell out (very boring).

I do understand that he is more of an open fascist and you're more-or-less a libertarian who pretends to have higher-minded justifications for your reactionary politics. The thing is, though, whenever a libertarian gets stressed, they almost invariably fall into begging the state to take care of their enemies. Why else would you freaks love Pinochet so much? Did he not use any state power to throw people out helicopters and the rest of his evil ****?

You're Nick Fuentes except for the Zionism and except for being way less entertaining of a personality.

RUN AWAY!!!
just like the cockroaches they are.

Nothing beats some drunken hatred on a Saturday, right?

Why would that tilt anyone? There are horrible right-wing lunatics in Israel, I don’t think any liberal supporter of Israel is unaware of that.

It's not in anyone's interest. People still have this folk-belief (stemming largely from Barbara Tuchman) that the world sleepwalked into the Great War, but it didn't, the war happened because Germany wanted it, same as the second war. There isn't a comparable risk-taking bad actor these days. Even the dictatorships are more cautious.

I dont think Xi has any ideological affinity or commitments towards the IRGC. I think he would be perfectly fine if they fell as long as the transition was relatively smooth and oil shipments weren't disrupted too long. The only thing that might get China involved is IF oil shipments were disrupted for too long, either because of Israel targeting Iranian oil and/or the IRGC disrupting Sunni Gulf oil.

And honestly, for all we know Xi might be inclined to support regime change as much as support the IRGC.

Russia/Putin would be the most inconvenienced by the current conflict (besides Iran's axis of resistance), as Iran supplies much of their drones. But I dont think he has the squeeze to start WW3 on his own over it, nor does it seem he would even be inclined to. Keep in mind no one is actually threatening Russia. Worst case scenario he just has to make a less than optimal ceasefire deal; which hardly seems like a rational reason to start WWIII over.

WW3 might not start with the release of nukes at a city or military target the way it’s always depicted in films etc. A nuclear power might decide to launch a small tactical nuke fired into the sea as a threat of more to come and a show of strength for instance, which gets met with a similar or slightly greater response, with things escalating from there.

It’s not hard to imagine both Trump and Putin capable of this, though probably not in this conflict.

As little faith as I have in the parties involved, zero shot this leads to WW3. Trump is way too tied at the hip with MBS and Putin to ever put boots on the ground in this. At most, defend against strikes and maybe a targeted assassination. And Iran simply does not have the military capability to meaningfully hit Israel without being completely obliterated for it

Token gestures that will lead to nothing. Same as it ever was

For Iran they really need to come to the table and fast. This is not a Ukraine-Russia type conflict where the US is dragged to support Ukraine. The US fully is behind Israel in its attacks on Iran to defend itself and all of the US allies will help out as no one will come and support Iran with this state of play. Iran need to realise this. Give up being this brave face and save your people but again just like their stupidity in pursuing their nuclear enrichment program they likely won't.

There isn't going to be a WW3. No one gives a stuff about defending Iran - even China and Russia are like let it play out and will will pick up the scraps of energy from your defeat. And then there is what I've been saying about Putin that he secretly supports Netanyahu anyway

Anyone with even a slightly grounded worldview realizes that no one wants to back Islamist extremists. You have to be deep in some Islamist propaganda to think that major forces are coming to Iran’s aid.

Unfortunately Supreme Leaders usually aren’t very rational

Iran was at the table Bundy. Genocidal ethno supremacist US proxies just killed all the negotiators.

There is a new table they need to come to - they failed at the last one according to the International Atomic Energy Agency

Right, just like Iraq has WMD. As of a month ago they hadn't failed btw. I'm old enough to remember that.

ffs for 40 years we hear the same thing. That they were months away from a nuke. But their leader has maintained a fatwa against it. It would be foolish to the point of dereliction to not remove the fatwa at this point. The West will always use your morality against you bc our collective mentality is our selfish psychopathy.

Apparently the IRGCs "negotiating" tactic of promising to destroy Israel and attacking it directly and through 4 different proxy armies didn't convey the good will one would assume. Must be some Jewish defect to respond antagonistically towards such peaceful beneficent overtures.

According to tankie twitter Tel Aviv is destroyed and Israel's F-35 fleet is decimated, so the IRGC and you should be happy with these developments anyways.