Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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I'm sad to see my country (Brazil) distancing itself from the US and democracies, that although flawed, are not literally Iran, China, Venezuela, and the like. Left wing protestors here ask that we interrupt any relations with Israrel, as a pro Palestine measure, while the president defends Iran, a country that literally hangs homossexuals.
cool stuff bro
I bet you should vote for Bolsonaro again, that'll fix it
****ing Brazilians of all people coming in here with this ****. A land of insanely overwhelming income inequality, shaky democracy, reactionary social beliefs... huh, it's almost like you're not distancing yourself from the US whatsoever!
Do you understand why you can't be taken seriously?That the only options for you are either you're anti-Semitic, or you're a complete Pavlovian, or both.It's okay to criticize Israel's policy in Gaza, in Judea and Samaria, more than okay to criticize the Netanyahu government. I know I'm in that camp.But in this case, of Iran, we're all united. There's no question about it. It's
Unfortunately, now that WMDs are a real possibility, the US is not on board with the only measure that that can actually prevent them (i.e. a ground invasion), meanwhile your strategy is incentivizing Iran to develop them so they can have deterrence against surprise attacks like this.
You guys might want to take it easy on sucking the blood of the host country. The Iraq War was funded on a deficit, and was refinanced over the 2010s at low rates, but now all those 10 year bonds are coming back to haunt the US at 4.4% and rising (shockingly, interest payments are > than the military budget in 2025), meanwhile young people can't afford a mortgage and are watching pro-Palestinian content on TikTok.
The strategy is insanely bad and I suggest that your country takes a hard left turn and scrambles for the moral high ground immediately.
Unfortunately, now that WMDs are a real possibility, the US is not on board with the only measure that that can actually prevent them (i.e. a ground invasion), meanwhile your strategy is incentivizing Iran to develop them so they can have deterrence against surprise attacks like this.You guys might want to take it easy on sucking the blood of the host country. The Iraq War was
Thank you. Your comments are highly appreciated. Sadly, we have taken a different route. Hope to see you again shortly
If I was advising the Chinese government I would tell them to cease and desist buying American debt and to dump 100% of the American debt they now obtain. Now what?
Given that even 'swashbucklers' like Trump are not addressing the most serious unsustainabilities (SS, medicare, military), the better move is to allow the US to grind themselves down while selling them stuff and buying hard assets with the dollars instead of treasuries (this is what they're actually doing). That way you don't even seem aggressive.
Maybe you should give up the hostages and stop doing genocide
Wow. Thanks for so bravely being the force between the outside world and an 8-year-old Palestinian kid looking for food!
You ****ing murderer. Any remotely decent planet has you lined up before a firing squad. Unfortunately, we live in THIS world, in which you are free to murder children en masse, which I know is how you get your kicks.
Wow. Thanks for so bravely being the force between the outside world and an 8-year-old Palestinian kid looking for food!
You ****ing murderer. Any remotely decent planet has you lined up before a firing squad. Unfortunately, we live in THIS world, in which you are free to murder children en masse, which I know is how you get your kicks.
Missed you pal. How are you?
The fact that people here can defend the Iranian regime is a new nut low.
I haven't murdered anyone, so, I'm feeling pretty good about myself. Your results likely vary, as I understand that you are a fan of committing murder, including on children.
But to move beyond all the murders you commit, would you mind answering my questions posted ITT about why support for Israel has absolutely PLUMMTED worldwide, including in the U.S.? I've asked this 2 or 3 times already, to no result. Do you think the entire Earth (including all the Jewish anti-Zionists on it) woke up one day and decided to hate all Jews, or could this phenomenon of everybody increasingly viewing Israel as a terrorist rogue state have some other origin?
I haven't murdered anyone, so, I'm feeling pretty good about myself. Your results likely vary, as I understand that you are a fan of committing murder, including on children. But to move beyond all the murders you commit, would you mind answering my questions posted ITT about why support for Israel has absolutely PLUMMTED worldwide, including in the U.S.? I've asked this 2 o
Wonder why I dont give you the time of day, as you seem such a lovely person
We are all SUPER interested in what a proud child murderer thinks is a moral nut low.
the lack of self awareness is amazing. he claimed to be really upset about being retired from the IDF and no longer getting to participate in the Gaza invasion. currently, the IDF has set up food distribution checkpoints where starving people are sprayed with bullets. like, thats what he is sad about missing out on? and he wants to criticize another country?
I'm sad to see my country (Brazil) distancing itself from the US and democracies, that although flawed, are not literally Iran, China, Venezuela, and the like. Left wing protestors here ask that we interrupt any relations with Israrel, as a pro Palestine measure, while the president defends Iran, a country that literally hangs homossexuals.
Just a heads up, this sub forum (especially this thread) is a cesspool of far leftists and Islamists. As long as they perceive it as being anti-civilizational; there is no depravity many of the posters in this form (Victor, Jalfrezi, Pompous, Karl) wont enthusiasticaly endorse.
As you can see all these people support Lula and your countries descent into a 1984 style authoritarian, dystopian nightmare.
More and more it appears that the Israeli operation against the IRGC was a gambit to draw in the US and push regime change; that appears to be a failure. Trump has given his opinion Khameni should be off limits and doesn't want the US to get involved any more than defense of Israel.
For good or bad, in the US we have a horseshoe situation where Trumps MAGA base is anti Israel out of principle (that principle being mostly antisemitism); and he probably realizes he doesn't have the domestic support to go after Iran directly, even if he wanted to which isn't obvious.
More and more it appears that the Israeli operation against the IRGC was a gambit to draw in the US and push regime change; that appears to be a failure. Trump has given his opinion Khameni should be off limits and doesn't want the US to get involved any more than defense of Israel.For good or bad, in the US we have a horseshoe situation where Trumps MAGA base is anti Israel o
Correct.
Just a heads up, this sub forum (especially this thread) is a cesspool of far leftists and Islamists. As long as they perceive it as being anti-civilizational; there is no depravity many of the posters in this form (Victor, Jalfrezi, Pompous, Karl) wont enthusiasticaly endorse. As you can see all these people support Lula and your countries descent into a 1984 style authoritar
Is the Islamic world not a civilization? How many times do we have to learn that you can't change people's minds and force (what you believe to be the morally correct) values down their throat?
I'm actually an isolationist libertarian. I don't agree with Islamic values, but I recognize that it's insane to indebt yourself and sacrifice the future of a country in quixotic quests to have Israel live happily ever after through pure force and money printing. I recognize that it is valuable to understand where people are coming from.
More and more it appears that the Israeli operation against the IRGC was a gambit to draw in the US and push regime change; that appears to be a failure. Trump has given his opinion Khameni should be off limits and doesn't want the US to get involved any more than defense of Israel.For good or bad, in the US we have a horseshoe situation where Trumps MAGA base is anti Israel o
From first hand knowledge - do not agree. Yes we sure would have been happy that the US will help us make sure the threat of nuclear weapon is gone for good, but we entered this operation with the knowledge we are more than likely on our own.
As for the regime fall - it is still on the table and mostly up to the Iranian people themselves.
Wow. Thanks for so bravely being the force between the outside world and an 8-year-old Palestinian kid looking for food!
You ****ing murderer. Any remotely decent planet has you lined up before a firing squad. Unfortunately, we live in THIS world, in which you are free to murder children en masse, which I know is how you get your kicks.
Jeez you commies love executing people. Kinda dissipates your faux concern over Palestinians.
Israel annually has a pride parade.
How are things in Iran in that respect?
Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBTQ) people in Iran face severe challenges not experienced by non-LGBTQ residents. Sexual activity between members of the same sex is illegal and can be punishable by death.
LGBT rights in Iran have come in conflict with the penal code since the 1930s.[5] In post-revolutionary Iran, any type of sexual activity outside a heterosexual marriage is forbidden. Same-sex sexual activities are punishable by imprisonment,[4] corporal punishment, fines, or execution.[2][3][4] Gay men have faced stricter enforcement actions under the law than lesbians.
The Islamic Republic of Iran is considered to be one of the most discriminatory towards homosexuals in the world.[6][7][8] It is estimated that hundreds or thousands[9][10][11] of people were executed in the immediate aftermath of revolution of whom some 20 were homosexuals. Ruhollah Khomeini called for them to be exterminated in 1979.[12]
...Oh.
But you have opined he should be executed by firing squad. (As well as cheered on Hamas' mass murder on Oct 07. "cool" was the word I believe you used.)
In your ideal world, if such a thing came about, would you willing to be one of the members of said firing squad?
Not sure it does anything much, certainly doesn't hang them from cranes. Same-sex marriages, like inter-faith marriages, can't be conducted in Israel but are recognised when conducted elsewhere. Inter-faith couples usually go to Cyprus. Don't know what same-sex couples do. Israeli same-sex couples can adopt since 2023 and the IDF has no bar on homosexuals and recognises same-sex couples in terms of next-of-kin and dependents.
One can overstate the liberal trends in Israel, which is necessarily an ethnostate and increasingly a theocracy, but I don't think the mad mullahs of Tehran allow the kind of legal provisions mentioned above. They just kill people who don't fit their Dark Age 'morality'.
