Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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You've no way of knowing that for starters and that's not what I asked.
You said
Originally Posted by Victor
wait til he finds out what Israel does to homosexuals
Then I said
Israel annually has a pride parade.
Then I asked
How are things in Iran in that respect?
So, do gays have more freedom in Israel or Iran Victor? Does Israel have the death penalty for gay people?
Does Iran have the death penalty for gay people?
Not sure it does anything much, certainly doesn't hang them from cranes. Same-sex marriages, like inter-faith marriages, can't be conducted in Israel but are recognised when conducted elsewhere. Inter-faith couples usually go to Cyprus. Don't know what same-sex couples do. Israeli same-sex couples can adopt since 2023 and the IDF has no bar on homosexuals and recognises same-se
they have murdered 10s of thousands of gay people in the last 2 years and god knows how many since its inception.
Instead of trying to use gay people as political pawns in the middle east, concentrate on helping those being persecuted right now. Very very few people mentioning gay people in the context of Iran vs Israel have any interest in helping gay muslims.
Pretty sure we’d all like regime change in Iran but pretending there are nukes being developed soon as a pretext for launching wave after wave of attacks on civilian men, women and children might be Israel’s proven MO but it doesn’t seem the right way to go about things.
Instead of trying to use gay people as political pawns in the middle east, concentrate on helping those being persecuted right now. Very very few people mentioning gay people in the context of Iran vs Israel have any interest in helping gay muslims.
and the gay people needing the most help right now are the ones that Israel is actively exterminating for fun and profit
they have murdered 10s of thousands of gay people in the last 2 years and god knows how many since its inception.
So your reasoning appears (you can never tell with you) to be that out of the civilians killed in the current war, some are bound to be gay? Ergo Israel murders gays?
And therefore Israel treats gays worse than Iran? As in Iran who execute gay people because they're Gay?
If that's what you're saying, then it takes a special type of bad faith and bad acting to engage in such mental gymnastics.
Ergo Israel murders gays?
theres no "ergo". Israel literally murders gays.
As in Iran who execute gay people because they're Gay?
I looked it up and this isnt accurate either. they have executed people for engaging in gay sex. but not for being gay.
theres no "ergo". Israel literally murders gays.
I looked it up and this isnt accurate either. they have executed people for engaging in gay sex. but not for being gay.
Lol again with the mental gymnastics. They don't really execute gays just people who have gay sex? 😆
Can you answer my question honestly? Do gays have more freedom in Israel or Iran?
Gays have more freedom in Israel than Iran so we should support Israel killing lots of Iranians.
Corporal vile logic.
Those Jews. Famously homophobic. Going to assume that Vic doesn’t have a source.
they have murdered 10s of thousands of gay people in the last 2 years and god knows how many since its inception.
Unless you're counting the entire Gazan population as homosexual, which is statistically unlikely, that seems quite a reach. Meanwhile Palestinian society is strongly hostile to (overt) male homosexuality.
Unless you're counting the entire Gazan population as homosexual, which is statistically unlikely, that seems quite a reach. Meanwhile Palestinian society is strongly hostile to (overt) male homosexuality.
I am going by the conservative estimate that like 250k people have been killed. 5% of that is a high number.
and surely you are smart enough to understand the issue with your first link.
I am going by the conservative estimate that like 250k people have been killed. 5% of that is a high number.
and surely you are smart enough to understand the issue with your first link.
This is probably the biggest bullshit argument you've ever given, which considering all the other bullshit arguments you give, is quite impressive.
The only logical explanation for a lot of what Victor posts is extreme antisemitism, but he seems to hate everything “West” so maybe it’s just mental ******ation.
you dont need to be homophobic to murder tons of gay people. also, 99.99% of homophobes dont murder any gay people. I think the gay man or women getting incinerated in a ball of fire doesnt much care about whats in the heart of heart of the psychopathic jet pilot that just burned alive their whole family and neighbors.
This is probably the biggest bullshit argument you've ever given, which considering all the other bullshit arguments you give, is quite impressive.
does Israel have special bombs that dont kill gay people or something?
You've consistently refused to answer my question on whether Gay people have more freedom in Israel or Iran.
theres no way to calculate that. how much freedom do people in Gaza have? in the West Bank? in occupied Syria and Lebanon?
how much freedom do the 10s of thousands of gay people murdered the last 2 years have? none obv bc they were brutally exterminated due to racism in service of land theft.
All countries in the middle east would immediately become better, less oppresive places if lgbtq people wrote more of their laws. The world would be a better place because of it.
theres no way to calculate that. how much freedom do people in Gaza have? in the West Bank? in occupied Syria and Lebanon?
how much freedom do the 10s of thousands of gay people murdered the last 2 years have? none obv bc they were brutally exterminated due to racism in service of land theft.
....Un.****ing.Believable. 😆
You could easily simply acknowledge that gays are treated far better in Israel than Iran- it has nothing to do with your pro Palestinian stance- and your acknowledgement wouldn't detract anything from or dissipate the validity of your stance in principle, if you actually gave good arguments, that is. Yet you can't even acknowledge a simple fundamental truth. You truly have no shame at all.
And yes there is a way to calculate that by virtue of the fact that gays aren't executed in Israel for being gay (oops sorry for "having gay sex" that is 😆) and Israel annually have a pride parade. Gays don't have freedom in Gaza either, hence the reason Gay Hamas commanders get tortured and executed for "moral turpitude".
Again you really are shameless.
a handful of people have been executed in Iran for gay acts. obv thats horrendous. but Israel has murdered 10s of thousands and blackmails untold numbers as well. so no, I am not going acknowledge that Israel treats gay people "far better."
you think it matters that they dont murder them for being gay and instead for another reason. I assert that it doesnt matter and I doubt the people in danger give a **** if they are threatened by a homophobe or a Supremacist.
