GGPoker RNG Certificate is from 2021

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GGPoker RNG Certificate is from 2021

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20 posts · member since Feb 2021
2yr ago

It has been brought to my attention that GGPoker's RNG Certificate from BMM testlabs is from 2021. Does anyone have any

26 September 2023 at 05:36 PM
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Mike Haven avatar
535 posts · member since Sep 2002
1yr ago

The last number of "rigged?" posts have been moved to the general debate thread in DoPS. Please continue it there.

Thank you.

245 posts · member since Jun 2024
1yr ago
by Mason Malmuth

I don't agree with this. By having regular players win too little, you run the risk of losing your game starters and those people who keep games going.There's a proper balance of luck and skill that keeps poker games going and poker games tend to evolve to that statistical spot. When this is not the case, and this includes those games where the regular players have too large an

Would be much more efective just to make a rake trap that could only be beatable with leaderboard winnings and bbjp...wait...sounds awfully lot like GG.

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TucoSalamanca
1yr ago

The rigged rng is nearly impossible to prove and that’s why it’s genius. Most of the guys I have talked with, have played 10-20 years of online poker but are not some washed up regs and are winning on other sites.

When you have played forever, you develop a feeling for what is normal and what is not.

Of course we can again make the counter argument that within variance anything is possible and discussing about this is kind of pointless since both sides feel sure about their case but neither one can prove anything.

Somebody should start a new thread ”Do you feel GG is rigged” and a poll with options:

1. Yes (low stakes)
2. No (low stakes)
3. Yes (mid stakes)
3. No (mid stakes)
4. Yes (high stakes)
5. No (high stakes)
6. No comment, want to see the results

This poll is just a suggestion and maybe someone has better way of building it...

fueledbyanxiety
1yr ago

RNG certification is a sham. It is window dressing designed to make players feel safe but it proves nothing.

As an engineer and someone with a reason to be suspicious of multiple poker sites, I took the time to do the due diligence on RNG certification. I reached out to multiple labs who verify RNGs among other things. They verified the following statements.

Some important notes on the RNG certification process:

1. Much like all other calibration processes in engineering, the ultimate standards and benchmarks for certification come directly from NIST, an international organization who standardizes all measurements and units of measure.

2. RNG certification companies have zero access to ANY poker software. All poker sites keep their proprietary code “black box,” meaning nobody is allowed to see the code except for a very select group of core developers who have signed very stringent NDAs.

RNGs are tested separately from any poker software. They are provided as a modular chunk of code to the RNG certification company with basic instructions on what to input and how to read output and the RNG cert company verifies that the outputs produce an acceptably well distributed randomization over hundreds of thousands of outputs. THATS IT. If the output is sufficiently distributed, they receive their certification.

3. Nobody verifies that the RNG is actually implemented into the poker software or how it’s implemented into it. Nobody is allowed to. It could theoretically be totally unused and literally nobody could prove it except those bound by NDAs and are well compensated for their silence. What seems most likely if a poker site were to manipulate outcomes is that they use randomization and then modify the outcomes based on their business goals.

Some additional notes for the suspicious:

1. UK law for licensed poker sites merely requires the sites to be “fair.” That word has an extremely loose and broad interpretation from a legal perspective. Hypothetically it could be interpreted to mean “the outcomes for worse players should be manipulated to be comparable to the outcomes of better players.”

2. If you submit a complaint in US states where online poker is legalized, they do not have any programmers on staff who would be qualified to forensically analyze the software for any sort of bias or manipulation. Their investigations are basically worthless as a result....

Slugant avatarSlugant
1yr ago

Feelings of poker players generally arent a great indicator for the RNG being rigged or not, thats why a RNG certificate isnt distributed on feel but by math.
People often have these feelings based on a number of hands that is nowhere enough to beat variance, because variance is the real beast of poker:
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