Israel / Iran thread
Seems like this conflict is not going to end anytime soon and is worthy of its own thread.
when did I say that Russia would come to Iran's aid? I never thought they would or said anything about it.
the clownish libs were the ones who thought Russia was orchestrating this whole thing.
it doesnt change my perspective and you wouldnt ask such stupid questions if you actually read my posts.
when did I say that Russia would come to Iran's aid? I never thought they would or said anything about it.
the clownish libs were the ones who thought Russia was orchestrating this whole thing.
it doesnt change my perspective and you wouldnt ask such stupid questions if you actually read my posts.
I thought you might have had an expectation like how the US has Israel's back that you would have expected Russia to have Iran's back but I don't think you have responded and perhaps you agree anyway that Russia were never going to do anything because Putin and Netanyahu are actually good friends
ya man I dont know anything about that. I never would have expected Russia to start helping the Resistance, esp after they sold out Syria. despite how much the libs here smear me, I dont particularly like Russia or Putin and routinely compare them to the White Western genocidal Empire. they just dont kill and steal as much.
I haven’t seen any reason or capability for Russia to jump into the mix here. And I’m very skeptical of Trump’s declarations of ceasefire. There’s very little reason for Israel to come to the table so long as they are uncertain that the job is done, and Iran for its part didn’t really seem to want this war in the first place because they were content to keep on enriching uranium.
lol Israel cant sustain the war so ofc they want a ceasefire bc then it means they can fire without being fired at. just like in Palestine and Lebanon and Syria.
lol Israel cant sustain the war so ofc they want a ceasefire bc then it means they can fire without being fired at. just like in Palestine and Lebanon and Syria.
that’s only if you don’t take seriously their concerns about nukes which I do.
edit: I mean if you don’t take those concerns seriously why did they invade in the first place
I dont take anything about that country seriously.
well, except their promises to murder more children
lol Israel cant sustain the war so ofc they want a ceasefire bc then it means they can fire without being fired at. just like in Palestine and Lebanon and Syria.
They will have their stockpile of weapons replenished fairly quickly by the US after this conflict. Trump would be appreciating the money they are paying him/they are realising the value of the money they have poured into Israel to help their defence.
To make IRGC reconsider, you need to make it politically easy for them to back down and economically expensive to continue funding terrorist cells.Bombing them achieves neither, at least not at the scale Israel and the US are willing to do.Bombing them still could be the right move if you believe there is no way to make Iran back down and/or it’s the only way to halt Iran
I dont think Trump thinks that deeply about this matter, or really most matters.
Blue can correct me if this is wrong. But my understanding is Netanyahu's govt, and really most of Israeli society, has determined there is no diplomatic solution possible with the Khameini govt. Their campaign against Israel is too ideologically driven and they are too invested in it.
Israel has determined all they can do with Iran is use extreme force to degrade and deter them. But because the US and Europe leadership have been playing footsie with the regime since the JCPOA in 2015, they never had the political opening to pursue this path until 10/7 and maybe even more importantly Trump being elected.
That being said Khameni is 86 and much of his inner circle is similarly aged and/or has died in the last couple weeks. It will be very interesting what the next generation of IRGC leadership decides to do; specifically how much they want to invest in supporting disruptive Arab paramilitaries; especially given the new Middle East (dominated by Qatar and Turkey) that has emerged in the wake of the power vacuum created by Israel decimation of their paramilitaries.
At literally the last second before the ceasefire started, Iran launched a volley of missiles, which is normal with Middle East ceasefires and something Israel does too.
But unfortunately one missile got through, directly hit a building, with at least 3 casualties (civilian casualties of course, as 100% of Israeli casualties have been. We haven't even gotten any confirmation that the IRGC got a single Mossad operative, which is pretty amazing given how many of them were operating across Iran)
If there hadn't been any casualties from the last second volley Israel would have assuredly let it go and that would be that. But with the casualties all bets are off if Israel is going to feel a need to respond, and whether this will derail the ceasefire before it even really gets going.
Did we determine whether the launch happened before the ceasefire whistle was blown or point of impact? Seems like a +3 minute rule for Israel would fix everything here.
Imagine going to WW3 over these two neanderthals.
I don’t know what’s the point of negotiating an asynchronous ceasefire if you weren’t going to accept the consequences of such a ceasefire. Then again, I don’t like such ceasefire conditions anyway because it implies that each country has unlimited warrant to do total war until the ceasefire starts.
If they agreed in principle to a ceasefire it should have started right away. Even Trump’s explanation of how it would work was convoluted.
I don’t know what’s the point of negotiating an asynchronous ceasefire if you weren’t going to accept the consequences of such a ceasefire. Then again, I don’t like such ceasefire conditions anyway because it implies that each country has unlimited warrant to do total war until the ceasefire starts.If they agreed in principle to a ceasefire it should have started right away. Ev
Like I said, last second attacks are common in ME ceasefires. It is also common for fighting to continue at a much lower intensity for awhile after the date/time.
So if there is some back and forth over the next couple days we probably shouldn’t get too excited.
- Reports indicate that the Lebanese army has largely disarmed Hezbollah in its southern strongholds, with some sources claiming over 90% of Hezbollah's infrastructure near the border has been dismantled.
I'd say that's an improvement. Hard to imagine the same happening in Iran but it was hard to imagine that happening in Lebanon not all that long ago.
There must've been some anxiety among the Iranians about the nuclear program. And now they’re getting pummeled from the air, with IDF jets owning their skies. I doubt they even imagined something like this could happen so quickly. It’s like Iran’s entire network was built on the belief that Israel would never actually strike. Now the regime is essentially a paper tiger because any future attack on Israel would bring a swift response they’re powerless to stop. And that might even go for their proxies too.
If they agreed in principle to a ceasefire it should have started right away. Even Trump’s explanation of how it would work was convoluted.
ya i don't understand why they need a large window to cease operations. i'd understand if the leaders agreed to a ceasefire and 15 minutes or maybe 1 hour at most, that some battlefield general got excited and fired some missiles. but it shouldn't take very long from time of ceasefire agreement to send the news to the commanders to halt operations.
Israel now accusing Iran of violating ceasefire, Iran denies ot, Israel vow to respond.
Why tf can't both not just pull back?
Seems neither side wants peace. If that's the case then **** 'em both.
Trump just said Israel and Iran don't know what the fukk they're doing and then stomped off like a 5yo who didn't get his way with his parents. Trump learning the hard way that he's the one who doesn't know wtf he's doing.
Trump isn’t learning anything.
I think you are over-estimating support. For young people specifically, many of these people have no understanding of the IRGC, its ideology, or what it has been up to the last 45 years. There is a reason no one in our elite political or economic class supports Iran, outside of bad actors like Tucker. Even people who are outwardly critical of Zionism never go this far.
Did you see the part where Trump/Israel told the Iranian negotiator to meet them on Sunday, then murdered his entire family and many innocent people in the apartment building?
If you were a screenwriter, how would you go about writing this in a way that makes the West look like the good guy? (please answer this, I'm curious)
You seem to have been following this stuff for years from the pro-Israel side, and have built up some pretty big biases. Honor is important to the average person who doesn't have a lot of skin in the game (i.e. young people who are being introduced to the conflict). You look at it like a sporting event where you want the home team to win, but they look at it like a story.
