GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

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Choking for the first 4 games, thereby needing game 7:

2008 ECSF'....... 19 on 26%
2013 Finals...... 16 on 39% (thru 3 games*)
2016 Finals...... 24 and 6 TO's

*23 on 43% thru 6 games

When one of your ideas of LeBron being bad is when he averaged 25/11/8/2/2 through the first 4 games of an NBA Finals, then you know your case is pretty bad.

For the record he averaged 36/12/10/3/3 the rest of the way.

Michael Jordan choking through 3 games so he needed a Game 7

1993 ECF 28 on 32%

When one of your ideas of LeBron being bad is when he averaged 30ppg on 47% between Game 4 and 6 of the 2013 NBA Finals, then you know your case is pretty bad.

Lebron did it 3 times... In a span of just 8 seasons.. So he's 3 times worse at choking to get a 7-game series.. And he lost one of those 7 game series, so his choking caused losses.

He lost by playing worse than anyone ever has with 35% and 5 TO's in the 08 ECSF.. A few guys in history had 5 TO's in a series, but none of them shot 35%.

^^^^ little bit different don't you think??

^^^ so that means the only reason the Heat didn't sweep or gentleman sweep is because Lebron choked for the first 3 games and was locked up by Boris Diaw..

Imagine being unable to beat Diaw with the first step (above), and of course he had no jumpshot either because their strategy was to let him shoot open jumpers like a beginner... It's the"Giannis" or "Zion" strategy for bricklayers, which means Lebron elite at 1 thing - stiff-arm.

Btw, the Heat didn't win with Lebron on the floor in the 13' Finals (zero plus-minus and negative net rating), so he's probably the only negative to ever win FMVP - the most valuable player couldn't even win when he was on the floor.

It's impossible to win with the star getting 6 TO's per game, so that makes any stats bad.. 24.7 ppg and 6 TO's is really bad, and it required 7 games and teammate bailout as a result.

Regardless, it's impossible to lose with a sidekick outplaying the league MVP, since that's like Pippen outplaying Barkley, or Mathurin outplaying SGA - it's impossible to lose in these scenarios.. Also, it isn't impressive to beat a 1-man team with a "big 3" preseason favorite and the only super-team in the NBA... Curry carried a +2800 roster and lower producer than Jeff Hornacek to 67 and 73 wins.

i bet lebron disagree wholeheartedly with brady about losing lol.

first im splitting hair ? lol..
second , doesnt matter.

u clearly stated that dwade was better then kobe and lebron too better then kobe , now you retract ?

Lebron teamed up with a Kobe-level player in Wade, so that makes Lebron pathetic - you can't respond to this point.

2 guys teamed up to stop 1 guy.. This makes the 1 guy better than both.. That 1 guy is Kobe.

This is why Kobe is the best of the three - the other 2 guys had to team up to stop him.

Thoughts on Durant teaming up with Curry to beat one man then?

Touché .
Curry , unanimous mvp 2016 with a record regular season win team needed KD to beat lebron , but hey , curry top 10 and not lebron lol.
KD Better player than dwade too..

Again double standard FG .
Good job .
Shame.

Again, u still claim dwade is Kobe level.
Thx proving my point.

^^^ fixed, so that it matches the historical record.

You claim that Lebron recovered from his early-series choking in the 16' Finals by averaging 36 for the last 3, but Kyrie averaged 30 on 53% during this stretch and "closed"... This level of help has never been considered a 1-man show, while outplaying the MVP is literally the most help any sidekick ever provided.. It's impossible to lose with a sidekick destroying the MVP, so Lebron gets knocked for needing 7 games (due to his own choking for the first 4).

Secondly, fans never consider that if the 2011 Heat had beaten Dirk, it would've been considered a huge asterisk ring where Lebron gained a prohibitive advantage.. But instead, the loss caused people to downgrade the Heat so that now his subsequent titles are viewed as accomplishments instead of asterisk rings.

Lebron's "decision" and subsequent asterisk rings required an even bigger advantage to stop it (KD's)... Both guys gained advantages over the league and therefore won asterisk rings, except Lebron's advantage lasted twice as long (11-16' vs 17-19')... Accordingly, KD's only mistake was waiting 6 years to respond.

Fixed above.

That's why Lebron isn't top 10 - he needed to team up with opposing franchise players to win, while Curry, Duncan, Kobe and MJ won with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player because their superior skillsets produce better chemistry.

Lebron is a bum as a basketball player (colluder, flopper, whiner, load-manager, teammate-killer) and as a human being (selfish, soft, liar)

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3-point shooting

Playoffs

25' SHAI............ 28% on 5 attempts
93' JORDAN...... 39% on 4 attempts


Finals

25' SHAI............ 24% on 5 attempts
92' JORDAN...... 43% on 5 attempts
93' JORDAN...... 39% on 4 attempts

CONCLUSIONS:

threes = overrated.... bag/skill = underrated... MJ = GOAT

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Goat first-step going left from pre-dribble stationary position (triple-threat):

Meanwhile, LeFraud couldn't get past Boris Diaw in the 2013 Finals, so he averaged 17 on 39% to get 2-1 deficit, thereby requiring 7 games:

The first step going right is even better - no stiff-arm required

A franchise player is a player that is tasked with building a lottery team from scratch - the team is building around them... History shows that secondary producers like Klay, Pippen and Middleton can't be franchise players because teams led by them lack capacity to add talent, i.e. any decent scorer will surpass them as 1st option.. Accordingly, franchise players are reserved for dominant producers like Love, KAT, AD, or Bosh, and their obvious dominance means that they don't need playoff success to make All-NBA... Otoh, secondary producers like Klay, Pippen, Pau, Manu, Parker, Dumars or Worthy needed titles to make All-NBA - they needed winning spotlight to be seen as All-NBA.. And no one got more winning spotlight than Pippen - he never played above a Larry Nance or Iguodala caliber, but the winning spotlight inflated him to all-time status and media accolade - he's simply the most overrated player ever.. Hope that helps.

counterargument:

meanwhile,

it's just so stupid

First video is clearly AI.

2004... 35 wins (lottery)
2005... 42 wins (lottery)
2008... 45 wins
2019... 37 wins (lottery)

^^^ By your logic, Lebron wasn't a franchise player in those years.. So your logic is wrong, since he obviously was still a franchise player... A franchise player's job is to grow a franchise, and that's what Lebron and Love did... Love grew the T'Wolves to 40 wins by Year 4 despite no help, while Lebron won 45-50 games around Year 4 with the East all-star center and coveted acquisitions... Lebron didn't become a contender until he added 2nd and 3rd all-stars in 09' and 10'.

So again, Lebron isn't top 10 - he needed to team up with opposing franchise players to win, while Curry, Duncan, Kobe and MJ won with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player because their superior skillsets produce better chemistry.

All players get blocked, so your video means nothing.. Otoh, I posted gifs of a specific skill that is a primary foundation of any player's offensive game - Jordan shows goat quickness, while Lebron wasn't quick enough to beat Boris Diaw..

Lebron is a snail compared to Jordan because he's simply slower, while also having horrific fundamentals, such as a horrible stance - look how Jordan gets lower and agile, while Lebron stands straight up like a board and robot.. It's night and day - Lebron can't play basketball compared to Jordan..

And it isn't just the "bag" - it's the shooting touch and expert jumpshooting skill as well, which contributes to the massive gap in their ability to score off screens, aka facilitate ball movement.. It shouldn't be a surprise that a version of Luka or Harden-ball is 4-6 in the Finals - it's ostensibly the worst brand of ball ever.

^^^ it should be noted that SGA shot poorly at 5 attempts, while MJ never shot poorly in a series at 3+ attempts (regular line).. Specifically, he shot 39% on threes in series where he had 3+ attempts (regular line).

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3-point percentage for playoffs

2025 OKC............. 33.8% (35 attempts)
1993 BULLS......... 43.4% (10 attempts)

* MJ shot 39% on 4 attempts, while SGA shot 28% on 5 attempts

^^^ So why couldn't the 90's Bulls simply run a modern offense that spams a bunch of threes?.. Why are today's players considered better for merely ATTEMPTING more threes?... It's nonsense.. League-average 3-point percentage in the 90's was often better than OKC's percentage in these playoffs (33.8%), and apparently, that's enough to win the title in 2025.

Btw, the 3-point shooting has made it impossible for defenders to cover the extra ground, and since they can't use their hands to slow guys down, it puts tremendous pressure on their lower bodies, hence all the injuries.. Accordingly, Adam Silver ruined the game and caused all these injuries by removing hand-checking.. It was super-dumb to do that - he should reinstate it and take pressure off a player's legs by letting them use their hands/forearms and letting them "impede" offensive players (impeding is currently banned).