Israel/Palestine thread

I think our politicians draw the line at doing what Israel wants us to do if they (Israel) wants us to do something inconsistent with other aspects of our (U.S.A.) agenda in the MIddle East. So, not literally anything.

I do think Israel has consistently been our best ally in the Middle East to help us achieve our other goals there.

right, I think that shows that the USA controls Israel

hmmm...never looked at it that way.

I am not saying you should leave if you dont want to. But given your well articulated social conservatism and your belief in how our political class is a slave to (((AIPAC))) money, it just seems societies like Iran and Houthi Yemen align better with your worldview.

Although like Victor, the Ayatollah's believe the US is the dom in the relationship, and claim the US is the Great Satan and Israel the Little Satan.

I am capable of entertaining several beliefs simultaenously, including:

1. America shouldn't be aiding and abetting any country committing war crimes.

2. Islam is the greatest scourge on the Earth today.

What if sometimes, in order to achieve practical and moral goals, you need to commit "war crimes"? what if basically, the definition of what a war crime is , is just completly wrong given current circumstances?

I don't care if some Israelian actions are considered war crimes according to some international court reading of some international treaties, why should i? why should i give any consideration to the opinions of third world countries judges to begin with? why should i give any validity to international bodies that including horrific countries incompatible with civiliation, to begin with?

There is no inherent morality in what bodies composed of bad human beings decide is legal or not. Only determinations made by good people could carry a moral value with them. Any body that includes communist venezuela in it loses all validity for example.

So sad and infuriating to see one of the biggest racists in this forum talk about moral values (while he's being racist lol)

Being prosecuted has never been based on whether the defendent thinks it's correct or not.

If you only commit what are arguably war crimes if you think there's no personal risk then it's probably not a moral decision. If necessary br prepared to stand pround and argue your case as they lead you away.

all Islam? all of the branches, sects, schools? are you at all slightly familiar with them?

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You sound like you watch a lot of Tucker Carlson and InfoWars. I say this because I work with a few MAGA types who all of a sudden changed their opinion on this conflict. They consume too much right wing media. They have started to believe all conspiracy theories. Let me guess you read a lot of Gateway pundit stories.

Am I right?

You sound like somebody who can be easily indoctrinated. We've seen it with your ridiculous religious nonsense. We are seeing it now with your new geo political beliefs. I would suggest taking a step back and not believing everything you read. This is particularly important since you are consuming only sources that confirm what some YouTuber has convinced to too believe.

Fascist lover Mongi trying to be the voice of reason is even more hilarious than Lucy trying the same thing...

Given the newfound (((AIPAC))) obsession I would guess he has been mainlining Candace Owens more than Tucker.

Owens is possibly the worst among them all (of the famous ones), but the "omg AIPAC is everywhere" trope is fairly common, i'd say 1/5th of MAGA spams stuff about it

Fair enough. But bringing up Pat Buchanan and the overall vibes are more Candace to me than Tucker. I follow both of them on Twitter (where she is much more active than he is) and seems more aligned.

Could be a Bilzerian fanboy.

Sorry, I should have been more clear.

My answer was to a post that referenced the Jihadist/Ayatollah 'brand' of Islam.

I certainly should not have lumped all sects of Islam together.

Wat????

1. I haven't seen Info Wars in years.

2. I seldom watch Tucker.

3. About the only podcast/programs I watch on semi-regular basis are Piers Morgan Uncensored and The Young Turks.

This is true, but I don't watch Candace much either.

That name is familiar. If he was on Pier's Morgan I may have seen him before.

I don't know anything about that. I do know that Muslims consider Jesus as the second-greatest prophet (behind Mohammed ofc).

"By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely the son of Mary (Jesus) will soon descend amongst you as a just ruler. He will break the cross, kill the pig, and abolish the Jizya (tax on non-Muslims under Islamic rule)"

--Well yeah, but remember Jesus lived and died as a Jew. Him being a great prophet and Christianity itself being a legitimate religion are two separate issues.

Besides, you wouldn't trust just anyone with such an important task as ending the false worship of the cross as part of bringing on the Day of Judgement.

This is all quite fascinating, of course.

That said, what's this to do with whether or not I should be on-board with helping to fund the mass slaughter of innocent civilians and children?

Nobody seem to want to address that specific point for some reason.

Are you fine with Israel slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians and children? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks.