Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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lol
It was a reply to a spam post that got deleted, asking if anyone wanted a cheap loan, how much and for what purpose.
This is all quite fascinating, of course.
That said, what's this to do with whether or not I should be on-board with helping to fund the mass slaughter of innocent civilians and children?
Nobody seem to want to address that specific point for some reason.
Well, you seem perfectly fine with how your tax dollars are ill-used by other actors, including but certainly not limited to Hamas. So it seems you have just picked a side is all. Which is fine.
Well, you seem perfectly fine with how your tax dollars are ill-used by other actors, including but certainly not limited to Hamas. So it seems you have just picked a side is all. Which is fine.
I'm against giving $$$ to anyone who is killing innocent civilians and children en masse. Are you?
Nobody seems to want to answer that question for some reason. (Except Victor ofc)
I'm against giving $$$ to anyone who is killing innocent civilians and children en masse. Are you?
Nobody seems to want to answer that question for some reason. (Except Victor ofc)
So Hamas keeps their massacres and abuses to a small enough number you are ok with giving them $$$?
Anyways, I actually agree with you we should be doing more to end the conflict, and pain and suffering there. Unlike you though, I dont consider October 8, 2023 as the starting point to start worrying about what is going on. This has been going on for decades.
I absolutely think the international community should stop bankrolling "The Resistance," so the perverted incentive structures change so peace is possible. As is, due mainly to western largesse too many bad actors are benefitting from the status quo.
So Hamas keeps their massacres and abuses to a small enough number you are ok with giving them $$$?
Sort of.
I mean, every war has abuses and abusers. But in the Israel-Palestine War, the massacres and abuses seem to be meticulously orchestrated by the IDF, as opposed to random bad actors like the Mal-Lai Massacre in Viet Nam.
Oct 7th was an evil attack meticulously planned by Hamas, but the IDF response was not commensurate with that horrible attack. It was literally 'overkill' (imo).
Anyways, I actually agree with you we should be doing more to end the conflict, and pain and suffering there. Unlike you though, I dont consider October 8, 2023 as the starting point to start worrying about what is going on. This has been going on for decades.
I agree. Until recently I more-or-less blindly approved of whatever Israel was doing. The War has made me more aware of what's been going on for decades.
I absolutely think the international community should stop bankrolling "The Resistance," so the perverted incentive structures change so peace is possible. As is, due mainly to western largesse too many bad actors are benefitting from the status quo.
Well said.
the massacres and abuses seem to be meticulously orchestrated by the IDF, as opposed to random bad actors like the Mal-Lai Massacre in Viet Nam.
it was absolutely systematic.
Oct 7th was an evil attack meticulously planned by Hamas,
attacking the military bases of an enemy that has kept you under siege for decades and massacred you for like 80 years is evil?
Hey Zionist shill dunyain,how much is enough for your bloodthirst?100k 500k or maybe million of civilians deaths in gaza?
Hey Zionist shill dunyain,how much is enough for your bloodthirst?100k 500k or maybe million of civilians deaths in gaza?
hi fednad, it's enough when radical islam has been permanently eradicated worldwide with 0% possibility of it ever existing again.
you tell me what it takes, and whatever it takes, it's moral to do.
Hey Zionist shill dunyain,how much is enough for your bloodthirst?100k 500k or maybe million of civilians deaths in gaza?
I think the world should be supporting policies where no civilians die and there is peace. That is why the world needs to stop supporting "The Resistance," which is the main cause of all the fighting and dying.
I don’t really understand what you mean. Countries do horrible things all the time. TBH most countries in the region that have done comparable things rarely get much coverage, and they “get away” with it quite frequently.
Can you give me an example of another US-backed country getting away with something even close to this level?
Can you give me an example of another US-backed country getting away with something even close to this level?
You are using the term “get away with” pretty loosely. Starting with 10/7, Israel (which is much smaller than the state I live in, in size and population) has been attacked on 6 fronts in the last 1.5 year.
With over 2,000 casualties (civilian and military) with no end in sight.
A lot of people like to start their analysis on 10/8/2023 and look at the Gaza front in a complete vacuum.
Which is a very poor frame of reference to developing any real insight. Although it is very convenient if your aim is just to vilify israel.
Can you give me an example of another US-backed country getting away with something even close to this level?
Sure Saudi Arabia is supposedly responsible for the Yemeni famine because they are blockading Yemen and doing a military intervention. Estimated 90k children dead.
But just in general it’s not unusual for countries, US-backed or not, to do things that would offend Western sensibilities in the Middle East, and you kind of have to pick your allies from a lot of meh options.
hi fednad, it's enough when radical islam has been permanently eradicated worldwide with 0% possibility of it ever existing again.
you tell me what it takes, and whatever it takes, it's moral to do.
It's really this simple. Why the world allows radical Islam to flourish Is beyond me. It should be stamped out. Anybody connected with radical Islam should be eliminated. It seems many of the worlds wars have been caused by radical Islam.
I think the world should be supporting policies where no civilians die and there is peace. That is why the world needs to stop supporting "The Resistance," which is the main cause of all the fighting and dying.
Resistance isn't rape and taking hostages. Why do people not understand who the bad guys are here?
this was known months ago but pointing it out got someone labeled an antisemite conspiracy theorist.
hi fednad, it's enough when radical islam has been permanently eradicated worldwide with 0% possibility of it ever existing again.
you tell me what it takes, and whatever it takes, it's moral to do.
Short of killing every Muslim in the world, destroying every Islamic religious text you could find, and making it illegal worldwide to practice the religion, I don't see any way that you could have any chance of achieving the bolded. (And even those steps would probably be insufficient.)
Are those the sorts of steps you have in mind? If so, you should be immediately permabanned as well.
Short of killing every Muslim in the world, destroying every Islamic religious text you could find, and making it illegal worldwide to practice the religion, I don't see any way that you could have any chance of achieving the bolded. (And even those steps would probably be insufficient.)Are those the sorts of steps you have in mind? If so, you should be immediately permabanne
secularization happened for many religions which were back in the day very violent.
and it happened non violently, usually by getting richer + culture shifting away from religious dogma and people at some point simply stopping believing most/any of it.
in the meanwhile though we have to be strict about the actual radical violent threats and treat them with violence as warranted, even if that includes killing innocents they use as human shields (doesn't matter how many, we should never stop defending ourselves just because they blackmail us putting innocent lives in the middle).
that applies to any radical violent threat btw (religious or not). we shouldn't step back from bombing the building where neonazi group plotting to overthrow the gvmnt is (if arresting them is not possible) no matter how many civilians are with them
secularization happened for many religions which were back in the day very violent.and it happened non violently, usually by getting richer + culture shifting away from religious dogma and people at some point simply stopping believing most/any of it.in the meanwhile though we have to be strict about the actual radical violent threats and treat them with violence as warranted,
I can't think of any major religion that has been immune to extremist violence in the last forty years.
I can't think of any major religion that has been immune to extremist violence in the last forty years.
immune, no. but it got reduced. but until it stops completely we have to accept that killing civilians, even in large numbers, can be necessary to stop violence.
that's my answer you contested before. "when does it stop" (when does the killing of civilians stop) ? never until all radical violence stops.
simply killing civilians to kill the violent radicals is part of what the radical violents cause. every one of their deaths is entirely and uniquely caused by the radical violent religious extremists (but it applies even to non religious ones, just less common currently) existing. until they do exist civilians will perish because of it. it won't and shouldn't stop.
it might be theoretically necessary to kill everyone in Gaza? yes it might. and if it happens it's still all blood lost because of radical muslim terror
