2025 World Series of Poker May 27th - July 16th
2025 World Series of Poker May 27th - July 16th
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2025 World Series of Poker May 27th - July 16th

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18 December 2024 at 05:14 PM
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These are two terrible tables that they picked to open with.

Also they were in the middle of showing a hand AKs vs 84s on 356T (turned flush draw for the AK). It was the two chip leaders at the table and just as the AK decided to bet the turn after being checked to they switched to the other table and didnt show the conclusion of the hand?

I'm paying an annual sub when most of this has been given away for free on youtube and this is garbage so far tonight. I did like the fact they interviewed the lady who was sat next to Kassouf yesterday though.


Seems like the edge of the bet is partly that you don't win more when you go way over.

Those personalities all sucked.

The year weinman won there were a lot of personalities


The key to that bet in the future will be picking 200 or 300 pros instead of just 100. Pros will probably keep winning this thing from here on out, want to give yourself more bites at the apple!


by DogFace m

The min cash is $20k. $20k x 13 = $260k.

I'm only in for $150. I need my players to cash for $800k total.

What odds did you get ?


by herbalerv m

What odds did you get ?

Even money. I did it for fun, not because I think it's a good play. The bet strikes me as a big long-term loser.

Running pretty good so far though and the sweat won't be dead until my last man falls.


by DogFace m

The min cash is $20k. $20k x 13 = $260k.

I'm only in for $150. I need my players to cash for $800k total.

Right right, duh me.


I'm sure others have mentioned it. But even with the ME underway, nl cash action seems to have fallen off a cliff, even from last year.

5/T going at Resorts and Nugget last year. I haven't seen 2/5 at either this year. Nugget has 6 tables rn.

Nothing higher than 5/t at the WSOP (and those games look pretty bad).

I know there are a lot of games at the main rooms and some bigger games. I'm just saying it's fallen off, especially at the secondary places.


by NickMPK m

None of the players you mentioned were famous before the year they FTed the Main Event. They were made famous because poker on TV had much more a cultural footprint 20 years ago, and because of the way the TV broadcast was edited. Niklas Astedt last year was certainly much more famous in poker circles than any of those people. And if someone like Steve Dannemann finished runn

+1. Not only that, but I'm not sure how many of the players of yore had bigger personalities than their counterparts two decades on, but rather the broadcasts of the 2000s focused on said personalities. In turn, certain players knew the best way to get on TV was to engage in some antics, so they acted accordingly. Humberto Brenes went from being a friendly, middle-age guy who doesn't speak English very well to the "DEE CHARK EES COMING!" guy. Hevad Khan fit the archetype of the online poker nerd everyone now complains about, so he slammed a few Red Bulls and came up with a shtick expressly created to get him noticed on ESPN. It wasn't until later that people found out that he's actually a pretty low-key, mellow guy.

Fast forward to 2025, and all we see on these forums are people who wax about how lively and gregarious poker players were in the mid-2000s, and how boring and robotic they are now. (Funnier still, people complain about how all poker players stuffed themselves behind a hoodie and sunglasses, but then when a talkative player emerges, we hear nonstop how annoying he/she is.)


by ES2 m

I'm sure others have mentioned it. But even with the ME underway, nl cash action seems to have fallen off a cliff, even from last year. 5/T going at Resorts and Nugget last year. I haven't seen 2/5 at either this year. Nugget has 6 tables rn. Nothing higher than 5/t at the WSOP (and those games look pretty bad). I know there are a lot of games at the main rooms and some big

NLHE action is and has been down all across the city all year, the action during this series shows you that the fish or (recreational player money) have moved to PLO, double
board games, or stopped playing altogether.


by Hell2Heaven m

NLHE action is and has been down all across the city all year, the action during this series shows you that the fish or (recreational player money) have moved to PLO, double
board games, or stopped playing altogether.

NLHE is just not a fun game to play for recreational players who want to have a good time winning or losing a couple grand.


I'm surprised the guy didn't get his hand killed for pulling out a phone to calculate odds in middle of a hand, a one round penalty (that turned into two because he was yelling at Arieh) doesn't seem sufficient.

"Drama ensued on Table 513 of the Main Event.

The action began when Ibrahim Senoussi put in a raise of 25,000. Two seats to his left, playing in the hijack, Jeffrey Deegan opted to call before Conor O'Rourke, in the cutoff, three-bet to 115,000.

The action returned to Senoussi, who went deep into the tank. Minutes passed by, and Senoussi seemed no closer to a decision, causing one of his tablemates to call the clock.

The floor was called. As the tournament officials made their way across the room to adjudicate the situation, Senoussi unlocked his phone and started using his calculator to calculate numbers concerning the pot.

Josh Arieh, also at the table, advised Senoussi he was not allowed to do that in the middle of the hand, which caused some tension.

The floor arrived and instructed the players to play out the hand before the situation was handled.

Action back on Senoussi, clock ticking down, he chose to four-bet all in. This received two quick folds from his opponents, and the poker hand was finished.

Senoussi immediately received a one-round penalty for using his phone during a hand. In an apparent misunderstanding due to a language barrier, Senoussi didn't realise he had been penalised. The official made it clearer, which caused some back and forth between the Frenchman and Arieh; his punishment was then increased to a two-round penalty."


Are we getting night shift tonight?


by AcesAcademic m

Are we getting night shift tonight

no

it starts tmr night


by ligastar m
by AcesAcademic m

Are we getting night shift tonight

no

it starts tmr night

Man really hoped they put them on for earlier than day 5 this year.


by BullyEyelash m

NLHE is just not a fun game to play for recreational players who want to have a good time winning or losing a couple grand.

I agree, and I have buddies that work in all facets of vegas casinos, it is probably known, but understated, how many recs the poker rooms lost to Ultimate Texas Hold’em. I know a floor who is a poker player, he tells me a ton of people say they stopped playing live and would rather play UTH.

I have a dealer friend that explained that he remembers the days of a single raise and multiway action where 56-suited and 9T- suited would win at show down, and now he deals 1/3 where 85%+ pots are heads up pre.


by Hell2Heaven m

I agree, and I have buddies that work in all facets of vegas casinos, it is probably known, but understated, how many recs the poker rooms lost to Ultimate Texas Hold’em. I know a floor who is a poker player, he tells me a ton of people say they stopped playing live and would rather play UTH.I have a dealer friend that explained that he remembers the days of a single raise and

I wonder if Limit will make a comeback. I believe California is the only place where it's still going strong. Faster, more friendly game. One or two hands won't make or break your night. It's the game I grew up on and the game I still prefer.


by Danny Analton m

I wonder if Limit will make a comeback. I believe California is the only place where it's still going strong. Faster, more friendly game. One or two hands won't make or break your night. It's the game I grew up on and the game I still prefer.

Either that, or 5+ card Omaha (where essentially coin flip type equities allow the fish to survive longer, or not?). I doubt American casinos want to have short handed tables for revenue purposes but anyone from across the pond is asking for 5 card high, and I see they are playing 6 card in some places in Europe.


by Hell2Heaven m

I agree, and I have buddies that work in all facets of vegas casinos, it is probably known, but understated, how many recs the poker rooms lost to Ultimate Texas Hold’em. I know a floor who is a poker player, he tells me a ton of people say they stopped playing live and would rather play UTH.I have a dealer friend that explained that he remembers the days of a single raise and

That's interesting.

Omaha and mixed games have grown for sure. But most rooms are still mostly nlhe. And of course the main event and the other mega donkaments are still HE. So I don't think all these people really started playing other poker games.

Makes sense that a lot of them would gravitate to the pit though. More fun and they have a better chance of winning.


by Hell2Heaven m

I have a dealer friend that explained that he remembers the days of a single raise and multiway action where 56-suited and 9T- suited would win at show down, and now he deals 1/3 where 85%+ pots are heads up pre.

Someday someone will explain to me why all the mid-limit hold’em players wanted to switch to 1-3.


by BullyEyelash m

Someday someone will explain to me why all the mid-limit hold’em players wanted to switch to 1-3.

Unless you live in CA I don't think you have a choice. Last time I was in Vegas the only limit game I could find in town was a nitty 4-8 rake-trap at the Horseshoe


by BullyEyelash m

Greg Merson was discovered still in, unclear if he still is.

16/694, 2.4M


by Danny Analton m

Unless you live in CA I don't think you have a choice. Last time I was in Vegas the only limit game I could find in town was a nitty 4-8 rake-trap at the Horseshoe

Bellagio doesn’t spread 15/30, 20/40 anymore?


by DogFace m

How did I get hustled when I admitted it's a losing bet? I did it for fun. The entertainment value has already justified the money, which was about the price of a 10PM $135 WSOP satellite that will last an hour. It's been fun keeping track of my players.The problem with the bet is that it's a binary yes/no just to 2x your cash, whereas the real value in buying someone at 1.6x i

well i just ment more then you even thought. your not getting a 1.65 line as you probably thought you were its probably like 2x or 3x to win


by NickMPK m

Limon has been offering this bet for years and I believe has never lost it, for the exact reasons you outline. It's basically a bet on whether one of 50 players you name makes the final 2 tables.

ya you can trick people into thinking they are getting close to even odds when really its like 20-1. dont take limons opinion for anything online poker tho 😀


by pwnsall m

Seems like the edge of the bet is partly that you don't win more when you go way over.

Those personalities all sucked.

The year weinman won there were a lot of personalities

ya the trick has nothing to do with roi i take back the limon complement because he mentioned roi the next post XD

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