British Politics

Germany seems hell bent on a collision course with Russia.

Sooner the new party is up and running the better. The four MPs Labour has chucked out can join, I'm sure they're deeply antisemitic enough. Unite ate unhappy with labour and deeply deeply antisemitic sp they can back it. Plus the deeply antisemitic momentum lot. Lots of young people are no doubt suitably antisemitic so add them as well. One I'm sure antisemitic polling company already has the new party level with ks's true and honest changed Labour. We can do this.

Don’t expect someone like Elrazor to actually think for himself instead of parroting right wing media tropes.

The same poll found that the proposed party appeals mainly to voters who have already abandoned Labour, so the party it will take the most votes off is the Greens. The net beneficiary will be Reform.

I live not a million miles away and I think your experience is somewhat swayed by the proximity to the stadium on a concert/match day. Most times i'm in the centre of Cardiff there isn't wild drinking on the streets. Unless Wales are playing Rugby, in which case its pandemonium.

It's the mandleson playbook is to try to force us on the left to vote labour anyway. Many are convinced they have to vote so a new home is important. It provides a focus for funding, organisation and the stupid idea of developing policies. It's very important. Hopefully there will be an alliance with the greens.

Labour loved referendum/ukip/etc/etc because they split the right. Then they were the tail that wagged the dog and now they on virtually on top. Tragically this is the path now forced on the left by starmers spineless capitulation to the right. He has told us to leave if we dont share changed labour's values. Starmer split our vote off - it was his choice. Reform share chnaged labour's values better than we do. If changed labour actually wants to oppose reform then it needs to change back.

Former Israeli Government Minister Shulamit Aloni

The arithmetic remains the same. If the hypothetical new party happens-- and gets off the ground, unlike Change UK or whatever they were called, who were Corbyn-opposers as this lot would be Starmer-opposers-- the main electoral effect, if any, will be to give Reform more seats in areas where they wouldn't otherwise win.

Since the party doesn't exist, its policies cannot be known, least of all in domestic and economic affairs, which are what decide elections. Its only significant hypothetical asset would be Jeremy Corbyn. And since Labour is unlikely to go early unless things improve, he'll be 80 by the next election. He may not even want to stand again and he probably won't want the duties of party leader, chairing fractious meetings and all that bother. This would not be the first time he's floated the idea of a new party, just to feel the wave, and then decided he prefers his allotment.

They do do that, sometimes brazenly, but it does not mean that antisemitism isn't a thing. The potentially worrying element in British politics is the appeal to antisemitism to scoop up the Muslim vote, even though British Muslims are largely from the subcontinent and have no real interest at stake in Palestine. Despite what Abbot said when she was last sober enough to form words, you could not drum up a similar sectarian campaign against red-headed people.

Antisemitism is a real thing and on the rise. Those who have so easily abused the accusation for their political end have diluted the meaning of the word and the force behind the accusation to the point where they are aiding the antisemites.

The arithmetic does not remain the same. It changes and sometimes changes fast. Reform are likely to benefit early on - that is starmers choice. Maybe he think he will win over enough reform voters - he is certainly trying hard to.

Personally I don't mind whether JC is a big or small part of the new party. Or retires.

Rumours around Westminster of a leadership bid from Streeting taking shape, possibly with Shabana Mahmood as his campaign manager.

JC, characteristically, can't make his mind up, and he's the only big draw that the hypothetical party has got. If he won't commit, the whole thing becomes even more niche and wobbly, even if Unite pledge funding without him. Starting a new party is hard. The SDP had four big names of the time -- Jenkins, Owen, Williams and Rodgers -- they had a lot of support for a while and they won by-elections, but they still had to ally with the Liberals and then merge and cease to exist.

Reform have been going, under different names, for decades, but they still have only a handful of MPs -- that may change dramatically next time -- and they're still heavily dependent on Farage as frontman. The NSDAP, of course, also relied on a single frontman. The KPD, rather like the proposed hypothetical party, actively sided with the NSDAP in order to destroy the hated SPD and the Weimar Republic. With less than hilarious consequences.

I think you are totally wrong. Demand for a left wing party is very strong among a significant group. Reform (under various names) have been setting the pace on policy for a very long time. It's why we left the EU, it's why the country has become so right wing including under labour. It's not just about winning seats.

You may get to laugh and mock for along time. As farage said in that famous speach

"When I came here 17 years ago and said I wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain to leave the Europeans Union, you all laughed at me. Well you're not laughing now."

The left needs to fight what we believe in. Laugh all you like.

Is it true that a judge in the UK just decided that you can do family reunification even with no blood or legal family link?

It honestly sounds too absurd to be true but it's like te 8th time today i see stuff about this on my twitter feed, so is it true?

I would agree that a new generation of leaders is required. Lots of young people coming through and we have to keep creating the vehical to both help develop them and for them to lead.

Would be nice if that vehical was the labour party. It's not at all impossible it will be but it cant happen if we dont oppose such an intolerate and right wing party.

Yeah maybe - I certainly have come back to normality here in London

The problem with left wing politics is they are preoccupied with ideological positions that are unpopular with voters. See The Green Party. I voted for them on the basis of some very sensible economic policies that would help the worst off in society (e.g., £1 bus fares). However, lumped in with that are obsessions about putting males in female prisons, calling paedophiles "minor attracted individuals" and of course the anti-Jewish racism.

Plus, working class people like Farage. They don't particularly like Corbyn, who is just popular among young people and middle-class liberal elites and they are certainly not voting for Zarah Sultana.

Nonsense. You don’t get 40% of the vote by only appealing to young people and the middle class liberal elite.

Left wing policies are clearly in line with what the population are crying out for. The tragedy of Starmer is if he had continued with the labour party he wont the leadership of instead of capitulating to the right then he would have got a larger vote share at the general election and would be far more poular now. We would have accepted a lot of compromise and genuine hard choices but not this sell out to the right and intolerence of the left. He had the perfect circumstances and the right sort of solid dull competence to have a shot a being one be one of the great reformers if he had just had a spine and some principles.

Bloke now gets arrested under terrorism for holding up a sign of a Private Eye joke regarding Palestinian Action, according to the Guardian. Ian Hislop calls it mind boggling. Hopefully he's not arrested next
Seriously lads tf is going on over your way?😵

People voted for 'changed' Labour who got a freakish win. Now some argue we who oppose so much of what they stand for should support them as well.

Even so this is nonsense that will almost certainly officially be nonsense.