Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa
In what threads can the "incel talk" be found? I've never seen any of that here. I've also never seen much misogyny on display. It's extremely rare that I see any general statements made about men or women. The only ones I can recall were made by you or in short off-topic discussions started by you.
There were some discussions about men and women mostly about voting propensities which are fairly relevant topics in a ... Political forum, but that's about it.
Except perhaps for one user I don't remember the name of that left us a while ago who talked about the state having to supply sexual services as welfare, I don't remember any incel talk either
That discussion was mostly about whether or not men owning multiple cats was weird. It was a stupid discussion, but I don't think the fact that one person used that term meant even that person was a misogynist. The only times I have every used the term myself was in a positive way, saying that I usually get along well with cat ladies.
There were some discussions about men and women mostly about voting propensities which are fairly relevant topics in a ... Political forum, but that's about it.
Except perhaps for one user I don't remember the name of that left us a while ago who talked about the state having to supply sexual services as welfare, I don't remember any incel talk either
Oh yeah that was definitely a weird thing to support but that guy's opinions seemed bizarre in general.
You guys know cats get lonely, right? Having two cats so they can keep each other company is sort of normal.
Making the quote about any one individual also misses the point of the quote by a large margin. For all the incel talk that goes on here by several posters, it’s mostly me who gets pushback. You guys are going to stick your fingers in your ears and la la la your way into oblivion while women have begun to actively reject toxic male culture.
The person who most frequently makes demeaning comments about women in this forum is mongidig. He is routinely mocked and derided by almost everyone here, especially for his retrograde views and behavior relating to women.
As for the bolded, I have no interest in convincing you or anyone else that I am one of the "good ones." Actually treating people respectfully, decently, and fairly is a lot more important than convincing people on the internet that you are the sort of person who behaves that way. The latter is nearly meaningless, at least to me.
I am not particularly inclined to make provocative claims about entire groups of people. But I understand that if someone wants to do so, it is tedious to always include caveats of "not everyone, of course." That's a fair point. I was giving a personal reaction mainly out of convenience and mainly because I know myself better than I know other men. But I honestly don't think that the quote accurately describes many men I know, even the *******s. In particular, the description of men idolizing, revering, and routinely forming profound attachments with other men clangs with me. I have no doubt that it happens. Andrew Tate seemingly has a following. But among the people I know, it certainly doesn't seem common enough to be described as the rule rather than the exception. Confusing kindness and paternalism with respect is more common imo.
Except perhaps for one user I don't remember the name of that left us a while ago who talked about the state having to supply sexual services as welfare, I don't remember any incel talk either
I don't remember this poster, but anyone who espouses this belief probably needs to be institutionalized immediately.
In what threads can the "incel talk" be found? I've never seen any of that here. I've also never seen much misogyny on display. It's extremely rare that I see any general statements made about men or women. The only ones I can recall were made by you or in short off-topic discussions started by you.
Lol
My family owns two cats. I certainly don't think I will be piling on cat ladies any time soon.
You’re kinda missing my point though..
The quote was a legitimate critique from a classic work of feminist theory, and the discourse I received in return was mockery, ad hominems, and even a “that doesn’t sound like me” from someone I considered more highly than others.
Disappointing at best
You’re kinda missing my point though..
The quote was a legitimate critique from a classic work of feminist theory, and the discourse I received in return was mockery, ad hominems, and even a “that doesn’t sound like me” from someone I considered more highly than others.
Disappointing at best
I didn't mock anyone, and I didn't attack anyone. Am I required to agree with a particular classic work of feminist theory in order to avoid being disappointing? As I'm sure you would agree, there is plenty of disagreement even among people who have devoted their entire professional lives to feminist theory.
There were some discussions about men and women mostly about voting propensities which are fairly relevant topics in a ... Political forum, but that's about it.
Except perhaps for one user I don't remember the name of that left us a while ago who talked about the state having to supply sexual services as welfare, I don't remember any incel talk either
There was plenty of incel talk about how feminism has ruined the country etc in the UK thread a year or two back, but not so much lately.
You’re kinda missing my point though..
The quote was a legitimate critique from a classic work of feminist theory, and the discourse I received in return was mockery, ad hominems, and even a “that doesn’t sound like me” from someone I considered more highly than others.
Disappointing at best
Welcome to 'the club!' I get mocked and ridiculed and ad hominemed on this forum regularly. It's part of the thrill of posting here for me I suppose.
Do you think the term "cat lady" is kind to women? It betrays a level of disdain as it was meant as an insult to me. Think for a second about that: he is displaying disdain for women for the benign act of owning cats.It isn't healthy. Pair that with the toxic masculinity displayed by stating that men can't own more than 1 cat (without...what, exactly?)It was quite a revealing c
Lol, it was a joke. I expected to get a little rise, but you went full petard instead. And those cats are kinda cute anyway, but I do prefer dogs, though... oh wait, it must be toxic masculinity to prefer dogs over cats.
My wife prefers dogs over cats, too, but I guess she must be in an abusive relationship with a toxic male and became conditioned to accept dogs over cats even though she had that preference before we ever met. Oh, it must be her relationship with her father then... but she had cats growing up. Hmmm.
Anyway, yes, I think it's weird for a woman to own 10 cats. I also think it's weird for a man to own 10 cats. I also think it's weird for a woman to own 10 dogs. I also think it's weird for a man to own 10 dogs.
It has nothing to do with the sex of the individual (or gender, if you want to admonish me for using the term sex incorrectly); in fact, I'll amend that to say I think it's weird for a human to own 10 pets, but so what?
That's life. People have their weird passions - what's wrong with that? It's weird that I run ultra races and travel the world for it, but I recognize that. Do you recognize it's weird that you eat double cheeseburgers from McDonald's when you have edible food in your home, like tasty apples?
My strength coach says I have an eating disorder (as many here have said) because I don't eat meat or suck on cow teat. He calls me a veg-in. I call him Porky. BFD. Y'all getting offended at every little thing is part of what made centers vote Trump's reetarded ass into office.
But let's see... my family practice doctor is female; my sports physician is female (oops, I called the GP a doctor and the specialist a physician... since you're in the medical field, tell me how it's offensive that I used two different terms for medical professionals with different amounts of schooling); I have two lawyers that are female. I have other trusted professionals who I rely on that are female... oh wait, that must be because I like pussy and conflate that with them being the best and most recommended candidates for the job.
Wait... it's a I hAvE BlAcK fRiEnDs beard for my misogyny thingy.
Joseph De'Angelo had a wife and daughters too, he was still a serial killer and serial rapist. Not sure what Lol's point is either.
Well, no one accused you of being bright. The point is they are:
1 - female
2 - know me a hell of a lot better than anyone on this forum
That, in and of itself, doesn't mean the world, but it sure means more than what anyone here presumes to know.
Lol, it was a joke. I expected to get a little rise, but you went full petard instead. And those cats are kinda cute anyway, but I do prefer dogs, though... oh wait, it must be toxic masculinity to prefer dogs over cats. My wife prefers dogs over cats, too, but I guess she must be in an abusive relationship with a toxic male and became conditioned to accept dogs over cats even
Best post by you I've ever seen! Both funny and insightful. Well done!
The cat lady discussion and the attached implications about masculinity were misogynistic on some level
CNs quotes were provocative towards masculinity but not homophobic. I don't think its particularly accurate to say that masculinity is akin to Roman butt bonding though, where the only true form of masculine tenderness is reserved for the bros
Blocks of AI slop are heavily frowned upon in general here
I think posters get super defensive when CN starts on the offensive and this has happened multiple times now. Generally knee jerk defensive cope is caused by rejection of a shred of truth. I also think CN has a tendency to speak in heavy handed generalities that isn't conducive to productive conversations. I do this too sometimes
CN posts edgy generalizations to provoke people, and morons take the bait every time, I think it's great sport. Just look at LOL flailing around with his "But I have professional acquaintances who are female!", tell me that's not fun.
It seems like I prefer female poets and male novelists.
And I like female dogs and male cats.
I didn't mock anyone, and I didn't attack anyone. Am I required to agree with a particular classic work of feminist theory in order to avoid being disappointing? As I'm sure you would agree, there is plenty of disagreement even among people who have devoted their entire professional lives to feminist theory.
Listen, I get why individual posters might feel personally implicated and attacked when I (or others) critique a system that you’re all a part of, but it’s far more important to recognize that almost all feminist critiques focus on structures and patterns rather than individuals. The point isn’t that you, specifically, are to blame, but that systems like patriarchy shape behaviors, expectations, and power dynamics that benefit some and harm others.
By immediately shifting focus to defending yourself, you’re centering the conversation on your feelings rather than the issue being raised. That’s my issue with you.
I didn’t say you mocked me or engaged in insults, but you also didn’t engage with the critique in any meaningful way other than to say it doesn’t resonate with you personally.
CN posts edgy generalizations to provoke people, and morons take the bait every time, I think it's great sport. Just look at LOL flailing around with his "But I have professional acquaintances who are female!", tell me that's not fun.
Posting edgy generalizations to provoke people is certainly the modern way to internet. My relative lack of enthusiasm for that style is probably attributable to some combination of personality, age, and general disdain for the current political environment.
CN posts edgy generalizations to provoke people, and morons take the bait every time, I think it's great sport. Just look at LOL flailing around with his "But I have professional acquaintances who are female!", tell me that's not fun.
None of you deserve peace!!
Anyway, this all started because LoL trotted out an archaic sexist term and then pretending it doesn’t have any sexist context. You do it to yourselves imo.
