Saeculum
I would like to introduce a concept to the forum for discussion. Here is the Wikipedia explanation of the term
That may be true technically, but "Human", "The feelings of a human", "The wishes of a human" and "The dreams of a human" are not a part of this "extended" reality.
Sorry buddy, but you and your """philosophy""" are utterly boring and unimportant (and surely also not a part of any "extended" reality). Maybe your therapist can explain it to you in a way you can understand. Good luck!
Because there is a profound conflict of interest between two thing things.1) Short-term personal survival interest2) Long-term collective survival interestThe government doesn't offer the citizens a path to surviving the short-term which is compatible with long-term survival. It's the same reason why Jews consented to get in trains destined for Auschwitz. If they didn't, they w
I’m talking about something different — the common tendency to choose denial of a threatening reality over survival. Even short term survival.
Something that has concerns beyond the survival of human life. A soul. God.
The human ‘will’ cannot hold non-imminent threat if the soul doesn’t want to be confronted with the implications of residing in a fallen world. Which as a default the soul wants to deny.
This is why the vast majority of people act like zombies despite their vulnerability. The human will to survive is powerless compared to the divine will.
This is the only valid explanation for human self destructive behavior.
Something that has concerns beyond the survival of human life. A soul. God.The human ‘will’ cannot hold non-imminent threat if the soul doesn’t want to be confronted with the implications of residing in a fallen world. Which as a default the soul wants to deny.This is why the vast majority of people act like zombies despite their vulnerability. The human will to survive is powe
Might I suggest you take a detour to the religious portion of the forum and recuse yourself from evidence based discussions ?
Representing oneself as an authority on divine will is an indicator of some grandiosity issues. Like ... why did God clue you into his will and leave so many others in the dark ? Maybe you're "special" ??
Might I suggest you take a detour to the religious portion of the forum and recuse yourself from evidence based discussions ?
Representing oneself as an authority on divine will is an indicator of some grandiosity issues. Like ... why did God clue you into his will and leave so many others in the dark ? Maybe you're "special" ??
Apologies. When I see someone repeatedly banging their head against the wall, sometimes I can’t help but intervene.
Here's a story which seems to epitomize where we are in the cycle ....
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/14/techn...
AI data centers (in this case built by Zuckerberg and Meta) need large quantities of water in order to provide cooling of all of their electrical appliances.
In this instance, it led to disruption of water services to local residents in Georgia.
These aren't poor people in poor countries. These aren't black people in Flint, Michigan or any other poor or disenfranchised minority. These are middle class white people in the USA.
What are the purpose of these AI data centers ? To sell more advertising for Meta. Artificial intelligence to figure out how to extract every penny possible from potential consumers. To figure out how to map their interactions with Meta users in order to maximize their consumption.
When it dawns on you that this insatiable maximization of share price has no social filters .... it begins to dawn on you that it will consume everything in its path unless we find a way to regulate it.
Here's a story which seems to epitomize where we are in the cycle ....https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/14/techn...AI data centers (in this case built by Zuckerberg and Meta) need large quantities of water in order to provide cooling of all of their electrical appliances. In this instance, it led to disruption of water services to local residents in
That story does epitomize where we are at, i agree.
It does because it's a clear example of scarcity which can be solved by money very easily, which you guys instead want to claim is "exploitation of scarce irrepleaceble resources".
It isn't. Water for our uses is functionally infinite. If we need non-salty water we can get functionally infinite by desalinating the sea. It's just about costs. And if we don't have green, leftist policies those costs are lower.
If it's about tap water specifically being used, then it's about property rights. The owners (which presumably are local gvmnts) can decide who gets how much of it and why and at which price and so on. It's not a novel problem, it's a problem that exists since agriculture exists.
It's not "late stage capitalism", it's either regulatory mistakes, or regulatory capture. Either case it's a failure *of local government* not to pursue it's property rights adequately for *it's owners* (local people).
That's normal because government almost always sucks at everything very badly as we know.
OR, local government made a tradeoff, we give them the water which will cause us some problems but the taxation we get from having that stuff built here is more than enough to make up for it, in which case it's only the typical case of you focusing on the negatives of something and not the positives.
That story does epitomize where we are at, i agree.It does because it's a clear example of scarcity which can be solved by money very easily, which you guys instead want to claim is "exploitation of scarce irrepleaceble resources".It isn't. Water for our uses is functionally infinite. If we need non-salty water we can get functionally infinite by desalinating the sea. It's just
Lucy M with his greatest hit: "You just don't understand rich people like I do, also it's all the radical leftists' fault!"
It isn't. Water for our uses is functionally infinite. If we need non-salty water we can get functionally infinite by desalinating the sea. It's just about costs. And if we don't have green, leftist policies those costs are lower.
Lucifer, here's an article which speaks to the toxic effects of desalination.
I have some questions for you which I expect you will dodge as usual ....
1) In your view of the world, who pays for the desalination plants that you propose ?
2) In your view, how does the desalinated water at its coastal source get transported to the continental interior regions like the people in Georgia who got ****ed over by Zuckerberg's data centers ?
3) Who builds, operates and pays for the water transportation system ?
4) Who regulates the waste from desalination ?
Lucifer, here's an article which speaks to the toxic effects of desalination.
I have some questions for you which I expect you will dodge as usual ....1) In your view of the world, who pays for the desalination plants that you propose ? 2) In your view, how does the desalinated wa1) the people or companies using that water
2) ever heard of pipes? romans had acqueducts for hundreds of kilometers, we should be able to have 1000x more than them, easier
3) the people who use the water
4) the owners of the property that purportedly gets damaged by the purported waste will charge the price needed to clear the waste
1) the people or companies using that water
2) ever heard of pipes? romans had acqueducts for hundreds of kilometers, we should be able to have 1000x more than them, easier
3) the people who use the water
4) the owners of the property that purportedly gets damaged by the purported waste will charge the price needed to clear the waste
Everyone uses water.
Who has the authority to enforce the payment process and collect the funds necessary to fund the desalination plant ?
Everyone uses water.
Who has the authority to enforce the payment process and collect the funds necessary to fund the desalination plant ?
?? Those who use that specific water from that specific system. Not "everyone in the world". People that are willing to take THAT water at THAT price.
Investors will decide if they want to risk or not. They will deploy the capital and if their good sells they will make a profit, otherwise they won't.
Welcome to actual capitalism. No authority, no enforcing. You want that water you pay them, you don't, you don't pay them
2) romans had acqueducts for hundreds of kilometers, we should be able to have 1000x more than them, easier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_i...
Do you know that Roman aqueducts were a socialist government undertaking ?
Is that what you recommend ?
?? Those who use that specific water from that specific system. Not "everyone in the world". People that are willing to take THAT water at THAT price.Investors will decide if they want to risk or not. They will deploy the capital and if their good sells they will make a profit, otherwise they won't.Welcome to actual capitalism. No authority, no enforcing. You want that water
You are an outstanding exhibit of cognitive dissonance Lucifer.
Who is "them" that you would pay for the water ?
Who owns the water and how did they come to own it ?
You live in a fantasy world which doesn't require that the facts add up to anything that makes sense.
You are an outstanding exhibit of cognitive dissonance Lucifer.
Who is "them" that you would pay for the water ?
Who owns the water and how did they come to own it ?
You live in a fantasy world which doesn't require that the facts add up to anything that makes sense.
Them: the owners of the desalinating facility or those who buy from it to resell the water.
How is it complicated?
The people who spend to remove the salt from otherwise worthless water we have zillions of liters of standing right there, are the owner of the cleaned , drinkable water.
You live in a world where people do things for others without gaining from doing that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_i...
Do you know that Roman aqueducts were a socialist government undertaking ?
Is that what you recommend ?
The public can dk things if they are done in competition. I am not an anarchist.
I started by saying the problem is gvmnt doing things badly. Maybe if all leftists were always removed from all public jobs we could have a chance at gvmnt working.
Them: the owners of the desalinating facility or those who buy from it to resell the water.
How is it complicated?
The people who spend to remove the salt from otherwise worthless water we have zillions of liters of standing right there, are the owner of the cleaned , drinkable water.
You live in a world where people do things for others without gaining from doing that.
Who owns the water in Georgia that Meta is depleting ?
I think the local government which is selling it to Meta, so allowing the depletion to happen by choice
You live in a fantasy world Lucifer.
Water, like the atmosphere is not a local resource.
The rain that flooded Texas came from the Gulf of Mexico.
Water evaporates in one place and rains down in another. Underground acquifers where water is stored are interconnected across very large territories and those interconnections often go outside of sovereign boundaries.
The water that the western states of the US rely upon begins as mountain snowfall, melts and travels through the Colorado River and its tributaries.
Your ignorance is so vast and profound. Yet nothing gets in its way. There is no mirror whose reflection can enlighten a blind man like yourself.
The people who spend to remove the salt from otherwise worthless water we have zillions of liters of standing right there, are the owner of the cleaned, drinkable water.
Well said Lucy, really time to get rid of all this useless fish garbage out of this world.
Real men only eat meat straight from the hunted buffalo.
