The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance

this is very on point and most of my friends are liberal and agree that they are going way too far with identity politics

Radical how? That poll is incredibly unhelpful at best and nonsense at worst

This subject is so simple and straight forward that you are right Rickroll, the amount of disdain I have for people who can't parse the obvious answer from this situation is so great that its nearly impossible for me to have a rational discussion about it because the conversation is so ****ing stupid

lia thomas & free transition surgeries for inmates and detained illegals are the canaries in the coal mine

it's to the point that when brought up in conversation - i'm accused of lying until i send them the aclu link where she claims credit for that and says she would make that program natiowide

it's now a party which is detached from reality

• 8% of americans are convicted felons
  
• 1/3 of all black men are convicted felons
  
• there are nearly 1 million homeless americans - if you randomly sample 400 people you'll get at least homeless person most of the time
  
• 12.5% of americans are on food stamp - almost 1/3 of all americans are on some form of government assistance
  

but no the party of compassion and caring for the common people ignores that and instead focuses upon literally forming policy that declares they will provide free gender reassignment surgeries for illegal detainees and convicted murderers serving lifetime sentences - surgeries which for you or I would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars

it's the cocktail napkin party - the billionaire donors who drive policy are insulated from all those problems above - they do not wish to talk about that while listening to vivaldi in the background - they are more interested in discussing more niche things which draw their attention such as trans issues

i'd much rather be governed by a corrupt party which caters to the needs of a billionaire who says "i need less taxes and regulation" that governed by a corrupt party which caters to the needs of a billionaire who says "but what about that convicted rapist and murderer Shiloh Quine, that poor trans woman is in prison and thus can't access gender reaffirming surgery and this is exactly the kind of person we need to advocate for"

more to the point - we are a failing society

we have untenable levels of poverty in the general population to the point that an alarmingly high percentage of our population require crime or government assistance to get by

we also have failing infrastructure - we lead the world in bridge collapses per capita - and not by a small margin either

most of our country lacks a viable public transportation network - meaning your life is over without a minimum amount of capital to own and maintain a vehicle

and yet the party does nothing about any of this and focuses on giving gender reassignment to convicted murderers and rapists and says we should expand that coverage to illegal detainees

You are so deep in the propaganda that you don't even know what the real issue actually is

Keep railing on trans people though. I'm sure that will solve all of societies problems

Maybe you can dust off some of your old anti trans alts while you are at it

dude i never used any alts here

i'm not anti-trans - we've been over this a lot - saying the government shouldn't provide free transition surgery to convicted rapists is not anti-trans and it pains me that you see it that way - even more so that you genuinely suspect i've made alt accounts in the past

and again, you can re-read all my posts in the trans threads - nowhere do i say anything negative about them - just simply saying the above and we shouldn't allow trans women to compete in women's sports nor should we encourage children who are highly suggestable that they may be trans as well

it's the same issue with educating children that they could be sexually abused by their parents or relatives - i distinctly remember as a very young child occasionally having an intrusive thought of "omg is the moment my father shows his true self and rapes me" because i was told multiple times by multiple authorities at school that my parents - no matter how kind and loving they may appear to be - were capable of such monstrous things to the point where i had some latent fear that would happen to me

my parents were amazing but a non trivial amount of my very early childhood are tainted by fear of one day being sexually assaulted by my father - just like with trans activists, these people have the best of intentions and are trying to speak out to the one child who is genuinely being molested or finding that trans kid and helping them find their true self without as much friction as it'd normally go - but the cobra effect is that you're mostly speaking to people for whom that is not the case and planting very irresponsible thoughts

just last month my partner had to deal with this exact thing as her kids were going to seeing their cousins and were anxious about it because for them, their version of "where did they touch you" talk at school focused upon "even your cousin could molest you" and their mom had to reassure them they were trying to say that evil people exist everywhere, not that their cousins were necessarily evil

this is why false claims of being sexually abused are highly prevalent - with studies estimating anywhere from 8-35% of all children reporting being sexually assaulted are making it up

https://gould.usc.edu/news/law-school-study-finds-abused-children-often-recant-claims/

USC Gould School of Law

Law school study finds abused children often recant claims | USC Gould School of Law

no 6 year old is deciding to troll their parents with a claim like this, it's mostly explained by one parent coercing the child to say that during custody hearings or they get so paranoid from the school telling them their parents are rapists that they begin to believe it

if you're still skeptical about how impressionable children are - just look at religion around the world - look at santa - you can convince a child for many years that santa claus is real - you telling me that going around and telling every single child out there in the world that they could be trans and need to explore their true self isn't going to lead to some false positives - and now we're supposed to be giving those children puberty blockers?

it's that the democratic party is not at all about actually helping people - that we have such a major societal problem with widespread poverty which produces widespread crime and while the solution may be unclear - the problem isn't - but we're not tackling that at all - we're instead focusing on smaller issues - the kind that someone who lives in a gated community and never has to deal with crime or homeless encampments in their children's park cares about

Jfc.

Rick, you aren't in any position to determine what is or isn't medically required or recommended. My stance is to defer to experts.

What you are in a position to do is confirm how prevalent what your main concern actually is within the transgender community.

Your main concern is radical wokies brainwashing children into unnecessary gender transitions

While patient confidentiality can muddy research into this subject, all relevant studies agree that the number of people under 18 transitioning is incredibly low, often in the single digits over a multi year period.

In some studies, relevant to insured individuals, the number is actually 0

So a trivial amount of research would prove to you that your main concern is a total non issue. Are you going to drop your completely irrational take that this is a major issue affecting society?

We had 4 trans female athletes competing int he NCAA at the start of the year and there is an estimated LESS THAN 100 in all of youth sports

my point isn't that the dems shouldn't care about this

my point is the dems should talk about how they are going to get people off welfare and reduce crime but they don't even broach the subject

and when kamala talked about free healthcare - it was never free healthcare for americans - it was free healthcare for the most endangered communities - which is of course illegal aliens

this is what i meant by them being a party of cocktail napkin policies - they and their donors are largely insulated from the greater problems facing americans and so focus on things which make good virtue signaling talking points which is more relatable to them because issues like homelessness and getting your car broken into once a year are not things they ever encounter in life - and with the soft bigotry of low expectations - they ignore their fellow americans who are obviously all wealthy and comfortable like they are and think instead of the immigrant who needs the help to be of the highest priority

they have not lived the typical american experience - if their kids go to public schools, those schools have lacrosse teams

Maybe I am still recovering from the whiplash of your hard transition but thats not even close to an accurate representation of what Kamala's stance on healthcare was or even an accurate representation of her messaging

Somewhat leads back to many simply not ever giving Kamala a chance for personal biases

None of all of that is an accurate representation of the democratic party.

Not to mention that if you want to point fingers at the party that doesn't give a **** about the non-wealthy among us you don't have to look farther than the one running the show now.

I'm pretty sure most liberals aren't all that happy with the democratic party, but the alternative is absolutely horrible.

no transition - that's been my stance all along, you can go back and check for yourself

and here it is

a room full of people who have done absolutely nothing to provide universal healthcare for americans all say in their imaginary plan they would also include illegal immigrants into the scheme and get resounding cheers

their donors all have healthcare so they care about the virtue signal and not the reality of extreme widespread poverty in america where over half a million americans file for medical bankruptcy each year

they have done nothing for the working class american and think they can just exist on virtue signaling alone

i never said the gop cared about them more

i'm saying the democrats care at levels of indifference vs the gop not caring at all

look at the data points i mentioned before - how can you objectively see a society where 1/12 are convicted felons, 1/8 on food stamps, and 1/3 living below the poverty line and on some form of government assistance and you still actually believe that one of the two parties, and not a fringe one at that but one which recently controlled the government is a party of the people

You claimed the Dems are too radical

They are too radical because of any amount of support for trans people and medical care for illegals

But they aren't doing enough to help poor people and end for profit prisons

And they also aren't doing enough for people on food stamps or living in poverty

Is your solution LESS food stamps? If its 1/15 people are on food stamps and 60% are living below the poverty line is that better statistic for you?

You do realize that part of what people consider "radical" is supporting poor people with social programs, right?

You aren't making any sense here. What is your proposed solution to all your issues?

No free health-care and food stamps for anyone because some immigrants might benefit. Geeaz.

it's way too early to check detransition stuff because there's several multiples more people actively transitioning now than those who have transitioned previously

same with sports - you can't simply say "there's only 4 now so there'll never be more than that"

lobotomies were cutting edge science done by caring professionals at the request of loving families - everyone thought they were doing the right thing with that

it took 30+ years for us to realize the horror that they were

Perhaps we could get our now immense gestapo to round up trans people and toss them into concentration camps with those illegals.

again, you're both missing the point

they've done nothing to provide those benefits to anyone

i'm all for universal healthcare and fixing homelessness, crime and poverty - that isn't what makes them radical - what makes them radical is that they do nothing to actually get it done but then say "and we'll take care of all the venezuelans too!" as they pat each other on the back and shoot finger guns in celebration

Well, I highly doubt that is the definition of "radical" that most people were using when responding to the poll and its certainly not the implied definition of radical I got from you ranting about identity politics, trans brainwashing, or Dems not helping the poor

Which does lead back to me calling the poll nonsense

Universal Healthcare Dems not for that either
A strong border
Let Trans folks do what ever they want to their bodies at the age of 18
No Men in women's sports
Raise the minimum wage
Social programs that are a hand up not a hand out

Though I do think the Dems still own defund the police

You would be the very first to scream and yell if a Democrat actually proposed anything like a universal healthcare system.