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i like it when you post stuff like this which embraces the cold harsh reality of human history

not so much when you talk about rounding up socialists and hanging them from banners

shouldn't have used the word friends - just acquaintances, people you ever were around and know the existence of

I don't talk about rounding up socialists and hanging them though.

I talk about rounding up criminals and hanging them. Some actions by some socialists can be criminal and serious enough that we would need to hang them sure.

roc - to emphasize my point

https://www.newsweek.com/americans-consider-cheating-poll-2035846

Newsweek

This is what Americans consider cheating—and what they don

23% of those polled said porn is cheating and 54% thinks it is unacceptable if the relationship is serious

there's a lot more similar data points - and those numbers would be much higher if they exclusively polled women

i'm sure if you quietly talked to your married friends you'd find a few of the females were misled to think their husband doesn't masturbate or watch porn and for some of them it's a minor issue, for others it's a major one

at the very least, it's incredibly common to downplay it and make it seem like something very infrequent when it's actually a normal part of their daily routine

Why do we need to reinvent the wheel and spell out the basics of men-women relationships among educated smart adults?

very much tracks that you would treat it as if those statements were out of the blue and miss out on the context of a lengthy history of posts going back months saying i only had the world view i had because i'm an ugly short incel that i only just now bothered to respond to

try to keep up

because the need to virtue signal is strong - so strong that guys like roc lose all concept of reality occasionally and women like cn lap it up and think he's the norm rather than some absurd aberration that i cant possibly comprehend how on earth he could honestly feel the utter and complete nonsense he posted with such smug superiority

I feel like what you describe-- males casually objectifying women together-- I've done more with lesbians than I have with other males.

hetero women friends do the same.

But it's completly taboo if your current monogamous sexual partner is around. That's the basic rule. You never comment another woman body positively when your hetero woman partner is around if you have a monogamous couple. You learn that at 13 usually.

As far as I can tell, there is no broad consensus on which factors contributed to the evolution of human intelligence and to what degree. And what you wrote above seems to be a comical oversimplification of the views of people who believe that the need to navigate social environments was the most important factor.

Oversimplifications bring home the basic idea for people who don't want to go over the details.

The basic idea being that we needed intelligence to win 0 sum games vs other human beings. That's it. And there are 2 main kind of 0 sum games: warfare with other groups, and extraction from social hierarchies.

Intelligence is how you trap the other group through various devious schemes to genocide their men. And also how you convince the less intelligent to bring you the best cuts of the animals they hunted so that "the gods are pleased", while you also **** their women while they are out hunting. That's about it.

Sure. I'm an absurd aberration. I guess most other people I know are absurd aberrations as well.

Also, CN has made it quite clear that she doesn't think I represent any sort of norm.

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roc - to emphasize my point

https://www.newsweek.com/americans-consider-cheating-poll-2035846

Newsweek

This is what Americans consider cheating—and what they don

23% of those polled said porn is cheating and 54% thinks it is unacceptable if the relationship is seriousthere's a lot more similar data points - and those numbers would be much higher if they exclusively polled womeni'm sure if you quietly talked to your married friends you'd find a fe... See full post

What do statistics about attitudes about porn and masturbation have to do with whether most men act very differently around men than they do around women? I would never tell a woman (or a man) that I thought watching porn is the same as cheating in a relationship because I don't believe that is true.

Men routinely watch porn without discussing that with their female partners. But they can talk about it with other men. That's very common. You said that doing that is bad and if you do that you should rethink who you are (or some words to that effect).

That's simply absurd. It's not only normal but perfectly healthy to not expose normie women to stuff normie women don't want to be exposed to. It's actually kinda "autistic" to think that the vast majority of women want relationships of "absolute truth" and "100% transparency". They don't. Most men learn they don't very soon in their lives.

I would actually say that you are completly socially inept if you behave the same no matter if women are present.

I was 21. So not really.

The variance of morality (or depravity) between men and women is fairly trivial. The variance is at the individual level

The reality is masturbation is more intimate for many individuals than sex

This actually gets into some pretty specific 'pick up artist' philosophies. Mainly that you don't treat women any different than men and that being polarizing is a good tactic to quickly move through the feeling out phase of meeting someone new

In general, in a business or professional setting, you wouldn't do the whole polarizing depravity schtick or bring up masturbation to your male coworker

Where do people get these ideas from? If you hang out with superficial men that value superficial aspects of women, you will find that the superficial men and women end up in superficial relationships.

There are plenty of beautiful women that don’t get tossed around and aren’t worried about attracting the “alpha” lol

did someone spike your metamucil today? seriously man wtf?

you first jump in to condemn me for acting differently around women when i was the one to say i despised that about men

you then claim that you don't know any men who do that - which is just bananas

and now you miss out on the point of that post entirely - that the overwhelming majority of married men continue to masturbate despite that their partner often wouldn't approve and sometimes would even view it as a breach of the relationship

as absurd as it is to claim that you've never once witnessed another male say "woah check that woman out" - you can't possibly for a moment say that none of the men you know in relationships ever masturbate as well can you?

You guys seriously sit around and chat about porn with your male friends on the reg?

100% agree, it's my inner autist which wants the "i don't want to pretend that i'm not attracted to other women other than you" and "i wouldn't want to lie about watching porn when you are out of town" and everything would be much smoother if i just omitted that stuff

this is a weak strawman accusation - you're better than this

seriously man, what's going on, you're very different today

If you go back and look at my post, I specifically said that I was talking about the generic you, not you rickroll. Like, I said those exact words.

Guess what. Everyone behaves differently alone than they do with other people around, regardless of whether those people are men or women.

Strawman? Luciom explicitly said that it is "very common" for men to talk to other men about porn.

Also, I don't need the "you're better than this" condescension. If I am not meeting your standards, then give me a downgrade in your internal pecking order. When I said that I don't care whether people agree with me, I was referring to you just much as Crossnerd, Luciom, SRM, or anyone else. I don't have any self-esteem wrapped up in my status as a 2+2 politics poster.

this saddens me, i go to the ues several times a year - my bro lives there 3 days a week - always figured some day we'd meet up for lunch one of those times

i never said it was a cornerstone - i just said that this very much exists and it makes someone like me who doesn't do that often have women like cn think i'm some monster because she thinks like most other men i'm holding back and the mild stuff i say here in front of women is the canary in the coal mine that there's much darker and horrendous stuff underneath

glad you finally stopped lying and pretending like you've never in your life witnessed nor experienced that though - but saddened to know you will lie if you think it aids in your virtue signal

yeah i agree 100% - that's my autist coming out to say hi

but i do it because i see my friends hide the fact they masturbate or tell everyone that if jane asks about this weekend to say we only went golfing and had a few drinks at the clubhouse is just so incredibly sad to me that i'd never want to ever have to live like that

and i strongly feel as luc mentioned earlier - since people prefer not to know this stuff - that prison is a making of their own creation - i'm sure most men who hide their masturbation from their wives would be allowed to do so freely if they just discussed it freely from the start rather than years of sweet nothings of "no baby you're all i'll ever need" until it becomes a self imposed prison