Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa
Is that because you disagree with the characterization being racist, or is it because you disagree that racist remarks/posters should be culled?
If someone said what I said in the 1800s they would be wrong. And a good reason for that is that it probably wasn’t so much of a privilege to be an American in the 1800s as it is today. So that’s like an easy symmetry breaker that would be obvious to anyone with an ounce of good faith.Another reason would be that black americans in particular would have been some of the worst o
I'm talking more about the sentiment of: "...but now they are living here and we should acknowledge them as fully American." That sure sounds closer to what someone would say in 1890 than in 2025.
Is that because you disagree with the characterization being racist, or is it because you disagree that racist remarks/posters should be culled?
I'm talking more about the sentiment of: "...but now they are living here and we should acknowledge them as fully American." That sure sounds closer to what someone would say in 1890 than in 2025.
Before I respond to this, I need to know: do you have a problem with this because you think I personally don’t see black people as being fully american, or are you mad at this because I think that others treat black people as not being fully american and you find the idea ludicrous? or is it something else?
You didn't say they were awesome. I did. You can call them whatever you want, for whatever reason that suits your fancy. It makes no difference to me.
Are we just saying that white people should feel good about whatever their history is that brought them here, regardless of how society situates them?
Yes. We can both not feel shame for simply existing under that incredibly large umbrella while also recognizing the advantages that that particular group has had in society. There is no we. That is your side and I'm stating for myself.
Just a warning. These posts are right up to the line of what I would consider racist. Tread lightly with that knowledge.
Do you hear yourself at all?
You are caping for the slave trade. Is this what happens when we lose Luciom? He randomly inhabits other posters during the day?
it's unfair to allow someone else to introduce a very hot take on that and then leave that alone and untouched but then reprimand anyone who responds to the contrary
How many?
She is totally unfit to moderate. Having her moderate 2p2 politics is the most 2p2 move ever
It's the most blatantly obvious logical fallacy and none of her lefty friends can muster up the collective courage to tell her
It is only because of the kindness of CN that I am allowed to participate in this forum.
She will always be my BMF!! (Best Moderator Forever!!)
It is only because of the kindness of CN that I am allowed to participate in this forum.
She will always be my BMF!! (Best Moderator Forever!!)
It's only through their kindness and extreme magnanimity that any of us are allowed to post here.
Just don't forget that you can be banned at any time for any reason.
It's only through their kindness and extreme magnanimity that any of us are allowed to post here.
Just don't forget that you can be banned at any time for any reason.
I agree with all of the above.
But the proverbial elephant in the room is that I am a permabanned poster that was allowed to return.
We're very much aware of that considering you mention it in every second or thi4d post.
We're very much aware of that considering you mention it in every second or thi4d post.
I need to do better. I'll endeavor to mention it at least once every other post moving forward. 😀
n.b. I normally only mention it as a direct response to those criticizing the mods, so it's not a gratuitous observation.
Not gratuitous to you maybe but to the rest of us, trust me it's gratuitous. We totally get at this stage that you're eternally grateful for being allowed back on an Internet forum.
I don’t think that’s true to the exclusion of the lesser educated. Anecdotal but quite a few of the nursing staff I’ve seen and spoken to over the past couple of years have been from West Africa.
Nursing staff are highly educated. Nursing in the UK has been a graduate profession for more than ten years.
The bolded is speculative, historically meaningless, and colonialist.Beyond it being an obviously unknowable hypothetical, it’s also just completely narrow-minded and myopic to assume that everyone views what ‘better off’ means through the same western lens as you.You don’t know what they would choose if given the option to have to their families, languages, cultures, generatio
It's only through their kindness and extreme magnanimity that any of us are allowed to post here.
Just don't forget that you can be banned at any time for any reason.
In fairness, if you position yourself on the correct side of many issues you would probably be able to get away with pretty much anything. For example, it would probably be hard to get yourself in trouble for any criticism of men, Israel or capitalism; no matter how extreme, defamatory, or untruthful the rhetoric.
Lol Kelhus, after more than a year you still have shitty reads
I'm pretty sure I understand what Checkraise is saying even if I disagree with him on the happiness aspect.
But on the other aspects I do agree.
First-- all of this talk about heritage, homeland, ancestry, etc is just pure Nazi talk. That's the sort of stuff that they were obsessed with and we should strive to move beyond that. Likewise concepts like "stolen identity" are mostly just pure nonsense.
Now I myself have ancestors from Africa, Europe, and the Americas-- so what's my identity? Should I want that the slave trade never happened so that I would never exist? Only if I were Chilrob would I wish for such a thing.
Checkraise is saying that black people in the US are just Americans. People who, just like me, would all mostly not exist had the slave trade not happened. That's not a statement in support of slavery but just pure ontology.
It's not like all of the slaves and the descendants of slaves were from the same tribe in Nigeria or something-- people were brought from all over and slaves were intentionally separated from people who spoke their same language. So you couldn't just magically transport modern day black Americans back to Africa because where would they go? How would you determine which African people are their true people? You couldn't just the same as you couldn't force me to pick a continent to belong to when my ancestors come from all over.
So no, modern day black Americans did not have their "identites" stolen. That's just lol and fundamentally Nazi style ancestry obsession.
Taking a position of, black people in modern America are far better off than black people in Africa today can easily be construed as suggesting that black people benefited from slavery, which is a very controversial opinion. Then when you top it off with, "but now they are living here and we should acknowledge them as fully Americans and they should feel good about being Americ
So with my previous post in mind I just want to point out that black Americans were created in America.
They aren't Africans but rather a mix of different African people along with indigenous Americans who through the shared experience of slavery now do form something of an identity group-- what we can call modern day black Americans. And yeah they would have benefited from slavery because they wouldn't exist otherwise.
Before I respond to this, I need to know: do you have a problem with this because you think I personally don’t see black people as being fully american, or are you mad at this because I think that others treat black people as not being fully american and you find the idea ludicrous? or is it something else?
I'm not mad nor have a problem; I'm just asking for clarity.
So with my previous post in mind I just want to point out that black Americans were created in America.They aren't Africans but rather a mix of different African people along with indigenous Americans who through the shared experience of slavery now do form something of an identity group-- what we can call modern day black Americans. And yeah they would have benefited from slav
1 - maybe I'm out of the loop, but I thought black American citizens were considered American - just like American citizens with Italian, Irish, Asian, etc., origins.
2 - the "muh wouldn't be alive" reasoning is what I'd expect to hear from an 11-year-old preacher's son working the pulpit on a Sunday.
I'm not mad nor have a problem; I'm just asking for clarity.
1 - maybe I'm out of the loop, but I thought black American citizens were considered American - just like American citizens with Italian, Irish, Asian, etc., origins.
2 - the "muh wouldn't be alive" reasoning is what I'd expect to hear from an 11-year-old preacher's son working the pulpit on a Sunday.
Generally in a discussion about black Americans you're going to want to refer to them as such and not just as "Americans" which would be a different class of individuals.
In this case "wouldn't be alive" is completely valid. Try to learn some things about race and ethnicity.
