Is Mizrachi now in the GOAT convo?
Let's be honest, players like Doyle, Stu Unger, Chan, Phil etc won their bracelets when poker was a lot easier/way less
What's his ROI compared to other players?
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With the WSOP app all the tables are publicly visible now, so you can see when people are entering and rebuying. It seems like theoretically someone could be scraping that data and compiling ROI stats. That would give some real metrics to compare WSOP performances from 2025 and on into the future. WSOP should definitely have access to these stats, though they may see it as bad
This was my thought, someone somewhere is compiling, and it will obviously change staking for wsop if the info becomes easy to get to.
3) Ivey has zero NLHE bracelets. Last I checked that was the most popular game. Most of his wins are 2k buyin events barely anyone played because everyone was still figuring out holdem in the poker boom.
TIL that understanding what I thought were important poker skills like "game selection" and "being able to play more than one format" simply makes you suck
Even if I am wrong about Tritons vs wsop ivey is still nowhere near the top in Tritons either.
He's currently 14th on the Triton all time money list. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially considering all the other stuff he's splitting time crushing.
He's currently 14th on the Triton all time money list. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially considering all the other stuff he's splitting time crushing.
This random nobody who probably hasn't cashed a tournament in his life just diminishes everything everyone else has done so he can convince us that Mizrachi is the goat after all.
Even if I am wrong about Tritons vs wsop ivey is still nowhere near the top in Tritons either.
You are. I respect the consistency though, you haven't been right about anything yet so far.
This random nobody who probably hasn't cashed a tournament in his life just diminishes everything everyone else has done so he can convince us that Mizrachi is the goat after all.
You are. I respect the consistency though, you haven't been right about anything yet so far.
I never said Mizrachi was the goat and when you are debating who the best is unfortunately you have to diminish accompolishments great players have achieved. You do the typical reddit/twitter brainrot posting of attacking others while offering zero discussion yourself. Go back to your cartoon porn.
Mizrachi sunrunned the main but winning the PPC 4 times is the opposite of sunrunning. Also most people who win the main sunrunned it.
It's impossible to win both of those tournaments in the same year without sunrunning one of them. He's definitely in the conversation for best tournament player now. Best summer at the WSOP imo. Taking down both of the most prestigious bracelets is difficult to top. Only way you could top it would be winning a $1 million one drop, WSOPME + PPC and I doubt that will ever happen.
This - a goat of ALL time means just that. There will never be another Jordan - there will never be another Tiger - and there will never be another Ivey
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I wish I could laugh at that, its too terrible
What a complete disgrace to boxing, both of them that is
The GOAT conversation is just a non sequitur because pokers not a sport and to extent we treat it like one a huge part of the sport is a popularity contest. It’s like trying to decide GOAT politicians and using the number of elections they won as key metrics.
People in here are talking about importance of high stakes cash but all high stakes cash these days are private invite only games. Even mid stakes are becoming that way.
People are talking about Triton results which pros need to be invited to.
It’d be as if golf events were primarily celebrity golf events . And people debating if Justin Timberlake is the golf GOAT cause he was invited to play.
WSOP is a bit more fair but big names have way more shots on goals as sponsors buy them in.
Poker just isn’t a sport. To the extent it is you have guys like Chidwick and Linus who should obviously be top contenders but they aren’t because it’s about being entertaining to watch not actually being the best.
How much of himself did he have in the main-event? I heard he walked away with 1.7 million after taxes on the 10 milli first prize. I don't know how a GOAT would let people buy action in a 10k event.
How much of himself did he have in the main-event? I heard he walked away with 1.7 million after taxes on the 10 milli first prize. I don't know how a GOAT would let people buy action in a 10k event.
I don't know but post tax he walks away with 6 millions if he bought a 10k ticket. So if what you say is correct, its 6 - 1,7. So 4.3 millions worth of shares.
4.3/6
X/100
That's 71%
So if all information is valid he had 29% of himself in it.
Anyway, im gonna put in black and white what everybody knows.
You could be the actual best poker player, have a stellar performance, sun run and lose a 10,000 players tournament.
Goating someone who wins the WSOP is kind of off really, its not a 100% off, but its kind of off
The poker hall of fame is a ****ing joke
At least the hockey hall of fame there's people like Wayne Gretzky that you can actually call the goat.
Mizrachi is a big whale, losing all his money in private games. Look at his plays, sizes and hands (e. g. the 4bet against Hallaert), you will pretty quickly see that he is not a winning MTT player, but had a sun run this year. It´s good that he won the Main, so he can donk it off again :-)
Looking forward to it.
if he wins next years WSOP main and goes back to back he didn't sun run he's the greatest of all time the GOAT.
Dwan on record multiple times talking about how his game went levels above once he met Galfond.
None of them taught the other unilaterally. They were online top players of about the same age who shared ideas and the games of both evolved as a result.
Anyway, the quote "Greenstein handheld Ivey through his learning period" is absolute bs. The guy was playing every game he could before he was even of age to legally play in a casino. Just because he got a few pointers from Greenstein doesnt mean Greenstein is to be credited for Ivey's success or that he was "hand held". That has literally never been the narrative about Ivey, just pure nonsense comment.
Mizrachi is a big whale, losing all his money in private games. Look at his plays, sizes and hands (e. g. the 4bet against Hallaert), you will pretty quickly see that he is not a winning MTT player, but had a sun run this year. It´s good that he won the Main, so he can donk it off again :-)
Looking forward to it.
Yea this. Good (not great) NL player at best with the most insane sunrun of all time. But the best player by a margin to win the main for the health of poker. People playing like Mizrachi and thinking that kind of play leads to big wins is a massive win for NL poker.
I like they guy. Doing shots of tequila at big tables, having fun, celebrating loudly, talking and gesturing at the table. These are all great things for poker and I wish that someone like him wins every single year. But the idea that he won mainly because of skill and not luck - LOL.
