Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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lol. One extreme far right outlet parroting another doesn’t vindicate anything. That is like arguing Hitler was vindicated because goebbels agreed with him.
That’s a radical left-wing tactic of attempting to smear podcasters as “far right” who are followed by millions of Americans of diverse backgrounds, black and white. The game has changed and Support for Netanyahu has crashed.
There is now a huge movement of conservative Christians who oppose Netanyahu. They do not identify as far right. And this is part of why Israel has such a negative image of the world today. The constant smear campaign and trolling by pro Netanyahu voices it’s a bad tactic.
“Young Evangelical support for Israel plummets”
We don’t even have to look at the Israeli sources above. This is so blatantly obvious to anyone who is not a boomer who only watches Fox News. Look at the comment sections of videos on social media that are pro IDF ….They’re filled with criticism of Netanyahu and the IDF.
Theo Von is a very popular comedian who is followed by millions and millions of Trump supporters. Of course Von platform to Donald Trump in the lead up to the 2024 election and is credited along with other right wingers like Andrew Tate, Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson with getting more votes for Donald Trump. Pro Israel folk can say whatever they want about these people call them whatever name they want…..but the facts are overwhelmingly obvious with many pro conservative sources that are critical of Israel’s war in Gaza.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a6UMGcImuK...
WATCH: Theo Von BREAKS DOWN Over Gaza Genocide
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nvASYGcNcU...
And one of the biggest pieces of evidence of the fact that the IDF has lost huge numbers of conservative Christians is from the Nelk interview of Netanyahu….Nelk of course is credited with providing Trump millions of supporters through their interview with Trump and also propping Trump up throughout the 2024 election season…. It’s probably the case that Trump told Netanyahu to go on the Nelk podcast.
But what is striking is looking at the comments section of the video where there is overwhelmingly criticism of Netanyahu and even the Nelk boys for doing a softball interview,
The Benjamin Netanyahu Interview | NELK BOYS
I am not losing anything.
No one else in this forum but me has even heard of Breaking Points, it is so fringe right wing.
That isn’t to say they don’t have some audience. I am sure they do. But it’s the Same audience as people that follow Tucker, Candace and Alex Jones.
And these people all agreeing on a Narrative don’t validate anything.
If you think calling me, of all people, radical left wing is helping your cause, prepare to be disappointed.
I am not losing anything.
No one else in this forum but me has even heard of Breaking Points, it is so fringe right wing.
That isn’t to say they don’t have some audience. I am sure they do. But it’s the Same audience as people that follow Tucker, Candace and Alex Jones.
And these people all agreeing on a Narrative don’t validate anything.
You’re way off partner breaking points is a show that has a conservative leaning Saagar Enjeti and a left-wing leaning person in Krystal ball hosting the show ….nothing close to “fringe right”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking...
The point is obvious the smear campaign of pro Netanyahu people is a losing tactic …. it is in large part why Israel has a terrible reputation around the world. Perhaps in some time they will recover a better reputation .
If you think calling me, of all people, radical left wing is helping your cause, prepare to be disappointed.
I’m not calling you radical left. I’m saying you’re using a radical left-wing tactic of smearing people as far right, or anti-Semitic or a kook…like how blm does with folks who criticize their political views as being “racist”
As I said at the time when the Canada, Britain and france announced their intention to recognize a Palestinian state, that is the last thing Hamas wants.
And sure enough, all Hamas had to do was post some humiliation material of Israeli hostages and completely back out of the talks and start bragging that the west was in their side; and sure enough all these nations had to backtrack.
There really is no point at all in talking about any Palestinian state until Hamas is long in the review.
And this is true even if announcing such a state isn’t rewarding Hamas, which it isn’t, as Hamas doesn’t want one. At least not one coexisting peacefully alongside Israel.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is to propose fully reoccupying the Gaza Strip when he meets his security cabinet, Israeli media say.
"The die has been cast. We're going for the full conquest of the Gaza Strip – and defeating Hamas," local journalists quote a senior official saying.
Responding to reports that the army chief and other military leaders oppose the plan, the unnamed official said: "If that doesn't work for the chief of staff, he should resign."
As I said at the time when the Canada, Britain and france announced their intention to recognize a Palestinian state, that is the last thing Hamas wants. And sure enough, all Hamas had to do was post some humiliation material of Israeli hostages and completely back out of the talks and start bragging that the west was in their side; and sure enough all these nations had to back
It's almost as if the line being peddled by some that it is rewarding terrorism was total horseshit
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is to propose fully reoccupying the Gaza Strip when he meets his security cabinet, Israeli media say.
Zionists spent months arguing that anyone predicting this hated Jews. now they have all disappeared. if they were capable of sincerity they would feel shame but it was clear they were lying the whole time.
I think they have been led by the nose and now support stuff they never thought they ever would.
I think its the fundamental aspect of their Zionist upbringing and they were at best lying to themselves for years that they didnt support mass extermination.
There is a lot of signaling going on, from the Netanyahu camp and its media detractors. I would urge caution to see what he actually says if/when he makes an actual statement, and even then find a transcript of his actual words; as opposed to relying on a BBC bad faith "interpretation."
I think its the fundamental aspect of their Zionist upbringing and they were at best lying to themselves for years that they didnt support mass extermination.
Just a daily reminder how completely bad faith and unsupported by reality Victor's rhetoric is. Despite no immigration, and lots of emigration, the population of Palestinian territories has grown 4x during the so called "Zionist mass extermination." And the current war is doing nothing to change this trajectory.
There is a lot of signaling going on, from the Netanyahu camp and its media detractors. I would urge caution to see what he actually says if/when he makes an actual statement, and even then find a transcript of his actual words; as opposed to relying on a BBC bad faith "interpretation."
Urging caution about a bbc report about Israel media is very weird.
Guardian is reporting that the security meeting has been postponed. Danger! Caution required.
“32% in U.S. Back Israel's Military Action in Gaza, a New Low”
The Guardian joins a Jordanian military airdrop for a rare chance to observe a landscape devastated by Israel’s offensive
Gaza was a bustling, living place until less than two years ago, for all the challenges its residents endured even then. Its markets were crowded, its streets were full of children. That Gaza is gone— not buried under volcanic ash, not erased by history, but razed by an Israeli military campaign that has left behind a place that looks like the aftermath of an apocalypse.
Urging caution about a bbc report about Israel media is very weird.
Guardian is reporting that the security meeting has been postponed. Danger! Caution required.
The military officials are only against the occupation plan because it would involve casualties (the Israelis prefer to kill with no backsies) and because it would make Israel overtly responsible for the welfare of Gazans. And again they prefer to kill with no backsies, and strangling food supplies and then claiming it's not their problem is quite a good way to do that, and if they formally occupied Gaza -- which would be the only rational military method if they really wanted to root out their secret buddies Hamas, who keep the PA in check for them -- they would lose that diplomatic figleaf and would have to see the population fed, which they don't want to do. They want to starve the place out.
Israel genocidal Supremacists gassed an American to death with tear gas and smoke.
they are also holding an American child in a rape torture concentration camp without charge
the recently tortured another child to death in one of those camps.
Israel genocidal Supremacists gassed an American to death with tear gas and smoke.they are also holding an American child in a rape torture concentration camp without charge the recently tortured another child to death in one of those camps.
Hamas murdered and kidnapped high double digit American citizens, and are still holding bodies. And you couldn’t care less.
So spare the sanctimony about someone being an American citizen, as clearly this is something that means nothing to you.
true, I dont consider these Americans any more important than the 100s of thousands, if not millions, that the genocidal rape Army of Israel has killed. but some people on this forum might.
google tells me that 46 Americans died on Oct 7th so thats not high double digits. and lets face it, how many were killed by Israel and how many were in the genocidal rape Army of Israel?
true, I dont consider these Americans any more important than the 100s of thousands, if not millions, that the genocidal rape Army of Israel has killed. but some people on this forum might.
google tells me that 46 Americans died on Oct 7th so thats not high double digits. and lets face it, how many were killed by Israel and how many were in the genocidal rape Army of Israel?
I didn’t say high double digits were just murdered. I said murdered and kidnapped. And many that were kidnapped have been subsequently murdered.
And even this number is undoubtably the highest number of American civilians that have been killed in a single hostile action by a foreign enemy since 9/11.
And again, you don’t care; just as right wingers don’t care about all the American inner city murders they make talking points about.
So spare us the sanctimony.
Israel should keep going until Hamas surrenders the hostages and their arms.
