Israel/Palestine thread

Iran is viewed in a very negative manner by all sorts of press in the west and westerners on the left and right wing.

Your anti-Muslim bigotry is noted. Show us a poster in this thread who has referred to Judaism as a barbaric religion or one of a backwards morality.

Let’s look at conflicts outside of Israel like the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The western media and even many western people are openly hating Russians. The way the western media covers Russia is with Extreme negativity. Their coverage of Israel is actually neutral or friendly as they constantly bring on Israel politicians and military personnel for interviews. You never see an interview of a Russian general on CNN or Fox News.

Or Assad and Syria how they were in a civil war involving ISIL and they were decried as an evil government by the Western press. So this has already been said in this thread. You’re just blatantly, ignoring it or misinformed.

The old “ Israel is being singled out”

No

High population growth is associated with poverty. It's counter-intuitive, but it happens. Prosperous nations tend to struggle with population replacement. The population growth among Palestinians obviously has a lot to do with the Israelis' increasing racial paranoia and their increasing bent for ethnic violence.

Twitter post:

No one can be as antisemitic as the former deputy director of Mossad.

He'S a SeLf HaTiNg JeW

This can't be stated enough. People talk about Israel because they hate Jews and want Israel destroyed but also lets ignore that every other Piers Morgan episode or CNN/Fox news interview is another high-profile Israeli politician talking about the conflict and saying some vile ****.

nah, this is bullshit. yes, in the interest of pedantry, a negligible number of people do. but people talk about Israel bc they are a genocidal colony with a rape army that is absolutely reveling in the mass murder that it is perpetrating. its a completely rotten society where over 90% of the Israeli Jews support burning alive children for fun and profit.

Lol the rape army. Meanwhile the Russian army is actually raping its way through Europe.

I was being sarcastic. One of the reasons Israel is being talked about because Israel loves talking about itself.

And spreading aids like crazy apparently.

All good in the hood as long as they aren’t white genocidal colonizers.

Words have meanings.

You seem to be arguing Israel has been discriminatory against Palestinians, affecting them economically. Paradoxically facilitating a population increase, in the absence of any genocide.

I would argue Palestinian political leadership was just as responsible as Israeli in making sure the Palestinian population was impoverished and radicalized with high growth, but at least there is an argument there which addresses reality. Unlike the nonsense Genocide narrative.

Which is very different than genocide. Which is what Turkey did when their ethnonationalist movement took place following the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

And in this very real genocide very large populations of Greeks, Assyrians, and Armenians were murdered and displaced, and their historical populations were eradicated. Which is the opposite of what has happened to Palestinians since 1948.

--Dropsite News

Anybody here believe him?

It's not paradoxical that poorer families tend to be larger; it's been seen all over the world for a very long time, and the reasons are to do with child mortality rates and lack of adequate welfare for the elderly.

Yes we know, and it's been constantly predicted in this thread for at least 18 months since it became clear they wanted a genocide, and it was widely rebuked by the pro-Israel crowd who, also as predicted, stopped posting here and ran away.

Dunyain is the only one bothering to debate at this point (and I give him credit for that)... the problem is that the normal talking points are losing force as he follows Netanyahu down the slippery slope. In the end, the pro-Israel argument will be reduced to "I just want my team to win, and the ends will always justify the means to make that happen."

The irony, of course, is that the only post-Enlightenment country in the Middle East, the bastion of Western values, is losing the ability to rationally argue for itself.

I don’t know what you mean by that description but it’s true that Israel is populated by white Europeans and Americans and their descendants.

The pro IDF line here since October 2023 was always that israel alone could decide how far to go to “defend itself” while mainting there was no ongoing genocide. The contradiction between those two tenets that soon unravelled explains why they all left this thread.

It seems the entire liberal world is losing the ability to rationally argue for itself, as its enemies reject rationality in the first place and only respond to overt power displays.

And I except this trend to continue, as liberal populations are replaced by those who reject rationality for zero sum tribalism. Unfortunately, in Israel liberal values have been shown to not be up to the task in pushing back against its very irrational enemies. But overwhelming force and overt power displays has worked in the short run; but maybe not the long run because it is alienating allies in the liberal world.

That being said, liberal nations like Britain and France are seeing the same problems, where rationality and liberalism are just being weaponized against them by leftists and Islamists. And they will have their own Sophie's Choice moment where they will have to choose between their physical survival or their liberal values. And with the upsurge in right wing nationalism throughout the liberal world, it seems the people are making their choice.

I think most posters left because arguing in circles for 2000 pages with indoctrinated terrorist supporters just isn’t a great use of time. I’m lucky to have a lot of free time. But your characterizations of what you think is happening in this thread is pretty comedic.

It's important to note that Italy and Spain have like 3% muslims, so nothing like France and the UK, and only a very small fraction of them are actually citizens (again, unlike France and the UK).

And yet the pro Hamas people are legion. In Spain, they are in the government itself, in Italy it's basically all the opposition with few exceptions, and a portion of gvmnt but not in the main coalition party, so they are "sedated" for power considerations (but they hate Israel anyway).

So i don't think it's proper to believe that europe is trending toward supporting immoral monsters because of immigration changing the character of our nations which is something you are implying here.

I think the left ALWAYS supported the most monstrous regimes historically in europe, it ALWAYS was against classic liberal values, capitalism, and western culture in general. We ALWAYS had large portions of our societies (again, in continental europe) deeply inimical to everything that makes our lives decent basically.

The pro Hamas, anti Israel crowd around here overlaps perfectly with every leftist terrible take you can think of. From expropriation of rich people, to obscene regulations in every sector of the economy and so on and on. It's the same identical people.

Once Israel threw the West Bank open to barmy American settlers, to help them seize Arab land, the country basically lost its mind. And those settlers, now a massive voting bloc, won't even accept the obligation to serve in the IDF. The cancer is eating the host body.

What has actually happened in here is a few posters repeatedly warned everyone that voting for Trump was the worst possible decision for the people of Gaza. The genocide Joe crowd didn’t want to listen and lo and behold, ever since Trump took office things have taken a drastic turn for the worse for the Palestinians. In case anyone besides Victor and Jalfrezi is also confused on what’s taken place here.

bro wut

You’re in full possession of the knowledge of what would have happened under Biden?

You are a raging idiot.