How to play online poker according to a software algorithm - iPoker, Red Star Poker room

I pointed out 100% disagreement actually. Its all picked data. You dont look at the overall sample but choose little samples that fit your narrative. Your data is just excel sheets where you fill in the numbers, this proves nothing. If I make an excel sheet that says Johnmir talks out of ass 100% of the time, does that prove anything? NO, and neither do you excel sheets. You claim to know a lot about poker and thats why you "know stuff" but over 540k+ microstakes hands you are losing which proves clearly you know nothing about poker.
So theres off the top of my head 5 or 6 disagreements with the material that provided before, but you read selectively.

You said stars and party were rigged the same way because you lost there too.

But you also dodged a HU challenge saying every site was rigged, but now some are clean. So I guess the challenge is back on then, great 😀 Which site isnt rigged in your view, we can play there. 25k hands of 1knl ok?

Look, I can't say that any site is rigged If I haven't even played there. But I didn't manage to find this kind of site. Even there, where I managed to win, it wasn't random in my opinion. But here I upload concrete materials about iPoker to let players know what is going specifically on this one.

In fact, I have played 204 063 hands (sorry for a russian screen shot of Hand2Note)

I don't know how guys managed to calculate that 500K hands... But some of them have already lied about me. I don't know what for.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=59000558&postcount=93619

Because i'm trying to warn people about the fraud, can it be a bad reason, if I share my information and pretty big work with players?

Man, I found it interesting to find a real proofs the game is rigged. I stopped result-oriented playing online in 2019, cause the game is not natural any more. It's not interesting for me to participate in it. But I don't like that I wasted that much time trying to win significant funds.

No, I don't pick data, I take all the data from the software test. And that is why I uploaded screens of me announcing the start of the experiment regarding the dependencies assessing.

Look how the statistical analysis is performed.

I decide to test the dependency. I play concrete distance for this. I analyze the results. It's not like I just play play play play and then watch EVERYTHING. No one analyze data like that.

More then that, you can check the whole statistics and get sure that I haven't got ANY MORE distances with all the cards of my opponents to be opened consequently.

Man, I'm not sure you are serious talking this 😀 The excel tables is a summarized information based on a hand history. Excel table is just a report about what I found in the hand history.

You can open the data and check if it complies with the excel table and the conclusions.

This is some crazy comment of you, like "you typed something, but it's just your words". I think that you are able to connect "conclusion" <-> "actual data".

I seriously doubt I could have said that, because I won on Party and on Stars both.

The answer to it was sent to you in another thread 😉
Thank you for suggesting the challenge, it can be interesting, but it won't change the situation in iPoker somehow!

Guys, while I keep gathering statistics for my streams (to demostrate predicting the software's card dealing) I have already played 8 more SnG tournaments -
(here is the hand history - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Jx2g1fx...)

After this "comfortable" explanation

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=93513

Where I show you, that in 10 of 11 tournaments played, the software generates flops to other players according to my folded hand. And the software does it with a valuable splashes which are expected to happen in average on distances many times bigger than the distance of each of tournaments.

Since I check my ability to forecast in game situations generated by the software, I fold on a preflop strong starting hands. So, a proven dependency of rigging the flop cards to provoke a tight player to play a postflop appears even strongly then it was before.

I wouldn't waste time for a repeated calcuation of this effect. But the results of observation are too visible to ignore it.
So, I kept monitoring the frequency of my folded on a preflop non-paired starting hands matching with a flop, which was dealt to other players who joined it.

And this is what iPoker's software deals

In total, on a distance of these 8 tournaments, I played 111 hands of this type (preflop fold -> flop is dealt to other players). And my folded hand matched with the flop 49 times. 44.1% in stead of 28.8%.

The probability of this deviation is 0.04% (4 cases of 10 000 tests)

But even this is not comparable to what you can see in the table above.

On the distance Red Star's software turned the matching of my folded hand with the flop cards on such a strict way, that I hit 31 flop of 47 - 66% hits on a distance of 47 hands

Just in case you are not fluent with the theory of probabilities - it's 0. 000 008% chances to meet this in a random game (8 cases in 100 million tries).

I didn't even manage to calculate a chance to observe this 47 hands segment on a total distance of 111 hands cause it's necessary to generate around 60 000 000 rows of 111 game cones. I haven't got such a fast PC.

I can only give you a conservative assessment (guaranteed value), that the chance to obverve this "accident" of 66% matches with 47 flops on a distance of 111 hands played is not more then 0.00018%, and it is expected to happen once in approximately 60 million hands.

In easy words, the room is openly rigging the game.

The statistical report -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...

And in case people are interested in data that isnt cherry picked. Just the real data of this "top 1% professional level player" Johnmir. Who has been (he said so himself) has been playing since 2016. If he only played 200k hands, he must have been knocked out every tournament very quickly 🙂

He even dropped down from his usual $0.50 to $0.20 SNG's LOLOL

But he calls the 25k hands at 1knl challenge interesting. Man you lose -25bb at 10nl, you know nothing about poker.

Man, one more time you will comment something irrespectively to my comments I will ask to block your ability to write in this topic. I have already said several times, that my gaming level is not a topic in this thread. You are just flooding. It's unacceptable.

Your gaming level isnt important here you say??
Lets read the first sentence of this thread again, i quote: "Hello, dear colleagues!
I'm an expert level poker player and, also, a professional financial risk analyst (insurance) in the past. "

Seems like you made it matter and you lie about it, so what else do you lie about??? These people aren't your colleagues since you are not a serious poker player. You are a lifetime microstakes loser with a grudge against poker and people should know that. That you ask to block me even though I only deliver actual data/proof just shows how much of a scammer and liar you are.

You present yourself as someone who discovered something really big in poker. To do that you have to have knowledge about poker. And you present yourself as someone with a lot of knowledge of poker but guess what... You aren't and ALL your results proof this.

And again, the title of this thread is "How to play online according to a software algorithm - ipoker..". If people are willing to listen to an algorithm explained they have the right to know if they are listening to someone that is beating decent stakes poker or someone who:
- Loses -25bb/100 at 10nl
- A negative ROI% with an avg stake of $0.43
- Has made up many other fake professions and when someone comfronts them asks for a block (this isnt north-korea poor Johnny)
- Has made claims that all poker rooms are colliding against him (even the rng certificate isnt real, because according to Johnmir when the RNG-certificate people visited the ipoker headquarters they just turned the rng-rigging switch off and when they left they turned it back on again. Sounds too crazy right, no you actually said this) and that people who provide evidence that isnt compatible with Johnmir's views on poker are paid shills by poker rooms. Who btw are all rigged, at least all the ones Johnmir has played (and lost).

People have a right to know John, and you can never block me. In fact, you'll be sooner blocked for scamming.

That said, Im still open for our 1k challenge, when can we start?😃

Hi
But then these sites do not offer real poker, because the cards are not random, they also deny players any incentive to study and improve ones game. They are more of a casino type game. If you raise the flop and have one opponent you actually have two, the player and the algorithm which chooses cards to favor the weaker player.
If I understand you correctly, and it seems to agree with my observation. Do you know of any sites that use proper honest random dealing
Thanks
james

Pokkie, if a site has a non-random rng which makes poker a casino game... why are there long-term stable winners?
You dont see that in blackjack or roulette..
I think there are players who arent that talented and dont study hard and improve their game. And it these exactly these players that complain about a non-fair rng. Which till tis day has never been proven btw.

Also, if you raise the flop and have 1 opponent you actually have two... how would that work? Since your opponent has the same rng and the same conditions. So he he must also have 2 opponents then :s:s
They cant both be disavantaged.

Imagine if you put as much effort working on your poker game as you did trying to prove that micro stakes games are rigged against you, specifically.

To Nath.

Man, what if I have put x10 more effort in my game before coming back to micros to stop fooling of people?

But it's all just comments about the game.
It's all easy and obvious for players who worked on their gaming hard enough.

In case you suppose that I worked less, then I should have, then could you, please, send here in the chat a sequence of 7 consequtive successful bluffs on any limit basing on any stage of your poker career.

Personally, I haven't played result-oriented gaming (I did play only to test the software, i'm not interesting in gaming micros with newcomers, obviously, same as you, I guess), and I show you a part of my 7th MTT in 5 years of break:

(I show every single pot where I didn't get a pair/draw. Yes, I won each of the first 7 such pots)
The hand history - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Jx2g1fx...
Tournament #4 in the .rar file

4 players in

The same hand, ending. One player left in game

4 players in

Next hand - preflop

Check-check on the turn, and the ending

We are 4 on the flop again, everyone checked, I play on the turn

The following pots of me with nothing on the board -

And only here I decide not to go for a bluff. The first time in the tournament.

The same here, I fold. Decided it was irrational to bluff here too. 50/50 decision though.

Nath, I mean, if online "pros" made a real effort to study the game, I don't see a problem to find a part in their whole career of these perfomance. I don't think that pro players will ever argue, that poker is a game which complies to an aggressive style of playing. Bluffing is a key ability of a professional poker player. It's simply impossible to win the game without it, unless you got crazy table, where your opponents simply push their garbage in your nice handies flopped.

So, since you, guys, know, that it's impossible to steal chips the way, it is shown on the screens above without a deep knowledge of the game, just send me pictures of your "standard" poker gaming here in the chat.

To Pokkie.

James, hi ))

Yes, this is exactly what I would like to share - some poker sites do not offer a real, fair poker game and hide the real rules of the game to increase their own profit (by equalizing of players and reducing possible winrate/ROI to a minimal level, so that, all the players deposites slowly convert into the rooms commission, but not into the pockets of winners).

Well, yes, it's something like an arcade game for newcomers, where some other players get money for participation.

And, James, I don't see a problem here. I mean, it's good that guys earn money like that. The problem is that some other people are misleaded and fooled, since they expect a different, fair gaming based on their abilities. It's a typical financial fraud. Should be destroyed/blocked.

Yes, in general, it's a hard gaming, if you don't just follow "unspoken rules of primitive gaming to take the money from the room for participation", but try to win by playing well. You need to consider players decisions and software hand distributing/postflop dealing both, simultaneously.

To be fair, I have played - Fulltilt, Absolute poker, Red Star Poker, PartyPoker, Pokerstars. And I wouldn't recommend any of them. I'm afraid, that the profit difference between fair and rigged game for the rooms is so significant, that it's simply impossible to find a fair room. It's not profitable for them. Speaking precisely, it's profitable to make a fair room, but these people (casino managers) don't seem to be the most "humanistic" part of the society. Excuse me, if i'm wrong and they do care about following laws more strictly, then I suppose.

The fun thing is:
John says pros are actually bad players and made a whole list of all the things they do wrong, including that they dont make a real effort to study the game.
John also says he considers himself to be a "professional level player"
So does he think he also sucks and doesnt make enough effort????

What is clear however is that actual pros are making a living off poker and this "professional level" poker player results look like this:

It almost looks nothing like a professional level player and everything like a microstakes fish 😃😃😃
And what a coincidence that every site John has played on he doesnt recommend... of course not, because you lost everywhere and will never take a harsh look at yourself for being not good enough.
Cmon man you've started poker in 2006 you say. 14 years later on stars your stats are 32/13/2 at 10nl.... who plays like this??? No winning player ever, these are the stats of a fish. And you play like that 14 years into your "career". Face it, you have zero talent for poker.

Why didn't you show my stats from higher limits?
From Partypoker?
Looks like you keep lying here to protect the fraud.

Guys, I add a comment, because I'm afraid, we don't understand each other.

Please, be attentive to the logic, it's important.

You win online, it's good. I'm glad, that you manage to win for living and keep your lifestyle closer to your nature.

At the same time, the game you play is rigged. It's not a poker game.

From what moment should you be considered as good poker players basing on your results in online gaming?

From what moment should I be considered as a bad poker player, basing on my results on micros (while winning higher stakes), in a rigged game?

You can be good poker players, I can be a bad poker player. But how can we deside if your and my levels is good/bad, basing on the results in non-poker (rigged) game?

I would be glad to hear an answer here. Any pro willing to react - feel free to comment it. Looks like we misunderstand each other in a simple logic. Because some players in the thread "iPoker is rigging the game" show my results in a rigged game and ARE sure, I'm bad.

It's not important if i'm good or not, rigging - is a totally different question. But I want to see that online players are aware of a common logic.

Without getting into specifics (because, while there are other details in your post I could and may even would like to address, quoting the whole thing would be very long): I took a quick look at your posting history and every single post of yours is in one of the threads in this subforum about sites being rigged or trying to predict the RNG or things like that.

So you're not posting any hands you play in the strategy forums and looking for advice on your play there.

My question then becomes, what concrete steps are you taking to work on your game? What are you studying? (Are you studying?) How are you reviewing your sessions? (Are you reviewing your sessions?) etc. etc.

Nath, look, in fact, the answer is here in this part -

Yes, certainly, I looked every hand (!) of every tournament played. It's not normal for me to play a tournament (not a session!! Session is too big, it's too late, to analyze it, if you managed to play 10 tournaments and all lost) and not to check, for example, why my stack reduced before buble, what my starting ICM share on the final table is?

Do you understand what I mean by the "starting ICM share on the final table"? Because after you finished the tournament, you need to calculate you EV ICM$ on the final table and it must be higher, then the starting ICM share on the final table.

Example if your starting ICM share in top 9 = 80$. But your EV ICM $ on the final table = 70$, it means you lost 10$ while playing the final table hands. I mean, if you do not understand this, you simply can't judge if I worked on my gaming less, than I should have.

Do you know how to calculate EV ICM $ diff? A concrete question. Could you, please, answer it.

Why I ask this. Because this is the only way you can assess efficiency of your decisions on the final table. You can't assess if you played well different way. If you don't assess if you played on the final table well after each tournament played, what are we talking about?

For this I use, self-programmed push-fold calculator -

And I would like to ask you question #2 -

Do you know what push-fold calculator is?
What those numbers on the screen mean. And how you can use it to calculate your ICM EV$ diff.

And, of course I use self-programmed ICM calculator -

And, man, I have never visited any forum. I was reading books (mainly Sklanski and Malmuth) and analyzed my hands. After 20 years of playing poker I first time visited forum, when I proved rigging of the game, as a result of finding out of the way how exactly they rig the deck.

So, a reasonable question #3, Math -

How did I managed without visiting forums (I never read forums before the end of 2024) to develope and to use this stuff, if I didn't work my gaming?

Yes, I'm here, same as playing micros on iPoker, only for one reason - stop fooling of people.

Do you ever review those hands with other players? Good players? You probably don't need to run through every single hand since most of them are just standard folds.

(And none of the big multi-tablers I know don't study. They've been playing for so long that they can multi-table effectively because so many decisions are automatic and so many spots are drilled into their heads from decades of experience. I mean, I can multi-table pretty effectively, and given how much time I took off I know I'm not nearly as good as the best players.)

I understand what ICM is, although I'm not sure that's the same as understanding what you mean by this.

I can calculate ICM-influenced $EV, more or less. I didn't write a program for it, but there are others out there that are better at estimating equity than I would be (obviously it's easy to know the equity of "call and lose and bust").

I know what a push-fold calculator is.

Are you sure your calculators are accurate?

Well, a lot of those books aren't going to be up to date on tournament strategy. A lot has changed especially since 2018 or so when the first solvers appeared.

I see you're doing a lot of work, but I'm not sure if that work is making you a better player. I don't know anything about your overall strategy, whether you have a good grasp of preflop ranges or bet sizes at various positions and stack sizes, bet sizing from various positions on various flops, etc. I don't know that you review hands with anyone else. I don't know how accurate your ICM and push-fold calculators are.

I do see hands where you're opening 3x on the button with 72o. That's not good.

I see a lot of hands where you're VPIPing offsuit connectors. That's not as bad as 72o, but it's not good. I see a hand where you apparently call an UTG/8 raise from +1 with T9o. That's not good. I see another hand where you appear to have called or overlimped 98o. That's not good either.

I see you completing 42o from the SB after two players have entered the pot on what appears to be a 20BB stack. That is also not good.

I also see the stakes you're playing, and like most of the "rigged" posts and threads, they are micro stakes.

I see the sample spreadsheet of flops you provided, and like most of the "rigged" posts and threads, it's an extremely small sample-- 111 hands. I see you calculated that you're running 2% below expectation on a sample of 200 all-ins, which is also an extremely small sample and a result which is extremely in line with the expected variance.

And I see you call yourself an expert player while not seeming to understand preflop ranges or variance, and while seeming to be more focused on hands where you folded preflop but would have hit some piece of the flop.

I think if you're losing, it's not because the deck is rigged against you or rigged to generate action; it's because you play way too many hands and don't seem to have a very good concept of appropriate ranges or bet sizing. I don't see you work with anyone else on your game; I see you put more effort into proving the deck is messing with you than anything. I don't see one complete hand start to finish from you and asking about your decisions; I just see a lot of screenshots of various hands at various points in the hand.

I think you are focused on the wrong things if you want to win at poker, and I think what you are doing now is driving yourself crazy. I am not qualified to tell you why psychologically this is the path you have chosen, but my guess is that you find this easier than admitting your game needs a lot of work. It's easier to blame what we can't control than to take responsibility for what we can.

Its a double post but its so accurate I wouldnt change it :p

But conclusion of Johnmir's propaganda is:

If you want to be a professional poker player, play like an amateur
If you want to be an amateur, play like a professional.

It seems to make no sense at all but this all-time microstakes loser tells us its true, therefore it must be.

As a pro myself, I can only endorse this message. Because I wouldnt mind a few more fish:p
So please all go ahead and open 72o 3bb, call 42o in the SB and openshove 55 for 75bb just like this genius level poker player 😃😃

Ha, I deleted the double post. I'm always double-posting on the new software because I can't always tell if I hit "post" correctly the first time.

Look, you asked me -

I answer you, that I review every tournament I play.

Now you ask me, if I watch hands of good players. Am I at poker school, or what is this? We discuss the materials of rigging in iPoker, which I claim is proved.

Yes, you are probably talking about EV ICM$ of a push/call all-in. You talk about things, which you can just watch in the calculator. But I talk about analysing your tournament efficiency after tournament played.

This is an easy answer for a pro player -

"John, the starting final table ICM share is an ICM share of your stack, which you joined the final table with.

To check how succesfull your final table gaming was, you need to check all your all-ins, which were played on the final table, and to calculate EV ICM $ of every all-in chronologically from the first one to the last all-in played. Then you compare this final value with ICM Share $ of the stack, which you joined your final table with. And your

final table EV$ = EV ICM $ all-ins - ICM Share$ of a starting stack."

It's a concrete answer of a pro poker player, who are ready to discuss the tournament strategy. It's not about using calculators. Everyone can use this. And everyone can "play poker for decades" like you and me, but it doesn't say anything about how deep our knowledge is.

I calculated it after every tournament. It's a concrete procedure. If you do this and monitor it on a distance you clearly know if you play final tables well.

Am I right, that you do not check your efficiency on the final table? Because it's the most expensive part of a tournament, and the most valuable part in questions of ROI%.

Because if you just check you pushes, you don't count your post-flop and preflop losses, which seriously reduce your final table stack size. So, unless you do, what I described - you will never know if you manage to play on the final table +EV ROI.

Well, my push-fold calculator was successfully checked on the Gipsy Team forum, yes. We did it with guys, who were also doubting I'm good. Not everyone is able to assess player's level while discussing the game. But after we discussed 250 pages of rigging, people became aware of my gaming knowledge.

And, yes, ICM calculator was checked by other online ICM calculators, of course I did that.

Man, sorry for a little sarcasm, but - "oh oh, of course all the 0.2 limit fishes are fluent with solvers!" Lol. That is why I was winning all my life and lost on 0.2 - 0.5$ buy-in limit.

Interesting if you think that Chris Moorman's book (of 2014-2015) is also autdated... He is one of the most succesful online players in history.

Well, I haven't played anything serious for 5 years now. Since I decided playing online is simply senseless, so, I found interesting to finally prove the game is not random.

Still thank you for understanding. Yes, I worked on my gaming a lot. More then that, I always had a problem - I couldn't find enough time for playing, cause I was very "excited" with learing the game. And the more I knew about it, the more I wanted to go deeper.

Look, many players can't understand the following stuff -

If you do know the game is not random you always differ your "online gaming" and normal poker gaming.

I open 72o and other garbage, because I do know, that after I folded -

The software doesn't expect me to open this shit. Once you understand that the software reacts to players decisions (and it's checkable, try to go to micros and push some 73o hand. Then watch what your next hand will be? AK? TT?) then you do understand, that in case you folded a strong hand before (since you know it's "bad"), you can open any shit in the right moment. Anyway, it's a complicated talk, since guys here don't even understand a primite proof of the game to be rigged.

Yeah, I intentionally came back from 10$-100$ limit to 0.2$, because the most crazy stuff is going there on micros ("monkey-land" I call it, lol). So, it's easier to prove rigging.

I DO NOT PLAY these stakes. Man, I do play poker for 20 years. Do you know people, who would play 0.2$ after participating 60$ SnG? It's beyond real-life logic.

Man, very easy. You miss an important "detail", I announced the dependency and we got 31 of 47 flops hit in just 111 hands. THE END. It's 0.000 008% (8 times of 100 000 000 tests). Good bye. The dependency is proved. iPoker deals flops according to previously folded on a preflop hand of "tight" player.

To understand which sample sizes are comprehensive for which test you need to know statistics. But, I can give you a simple example.

If you say now, "I don't win the final table all-ins", and tomorrow we register that you won 20% instead of 50% equity 100 all-ins. Then I will agree, that the room is rigging your game -

You can't guess 6 cases of 10 000 000 000 tries. Too rare, man. Looks like it's rigged. But the conclusion is based on only 100 hands.

Didn't manage to find this statement of me... Excuse me.

Nath, look. I do not care much, if I lost on micros. It's not important. But you don't need to "think why I am loosing", you can just check the materials which clearly prove the game is not random. 99.999 999 992% confidence interval for the game on iPoker to be rigged.

In case you do not agree with materials, just point, please, out mistakes in it -
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

To be fair, I never proved that. I think it is rigged mainly not to generate action, but to equalize good and weak players by making the game totally unreadable. If everyone on the table get huge hands vs huge hands every time - even pro players won't manage to "read" this game. As a result, everyone will make 30% ROI (lauphable level of income) and all the other money will go to the room's managers pockets.

Man )) That is why I fold preflop AJ, AQ and other funny hands... Lol.

It's a special comment, and i'm glad that you provided it.

Look, I think, you are experienced enough to understand, that you can't take 7 of 7 pots on garbage without perfect knowledge of
- a moment to join the flop according to dinamics on the table and your current image (if you know what the "current image" is ... But if you are experienced, you should know this)
- perfect bet sizes on each stage of the game cone (since it's important to naturally "show" a specific hand to successfully bluff)
- perfect understanding of the flop structure comparing to each opponent's preflop strategy
- perfect timing of betting
- perfect understind of player types (on a postflop)

Why I use the word perfect.

If it's not that perfect, you can easily find in your hand history 7 successive bluffs in a row, shouldn't be a problem, do you agree?

I couldn't have made 7 (!!) just by luck. And even if I made it by luck, if you are a pro, and a winning poker which (poker) totally based on bluffing, you will find this streak, where you bluff 7 times in a row with no a pair.

Man, to win poker, I would choose a fair game. Would be a good start, because I simply don't wanna win in a rigged game, even if I can do it.

Of course it's easier to blame what we can't controll, but you don't know me personally... At the same time, according to my reports I don't look too lazy.

In fact, I played higher limits and watched what better players did in a real game. I didn't watch any videos. I read books.

If we talk about solver - it's a basic maths man, but a more "exact" version of it. All the key stuff is in the understanding of weak sides of your opponents, provoking them to commit mistakes. Every pro player understand (or feel... as you wish. But in my case, I would say it's not a "feel", I calculated too many stuff for poker to call it "a feel") correct chances and maths more or less, understand acceptable ranges. Solver - is something, that a guy who completely far away from poker maths needs. More then that, your preflop ranges are based on how well your potential opponents do play on a postflop. It significantly corrects your preflop range because EV of every hand is "EV preflop" + "EV postflop". And in case this sum >0$, then you should open/call your preflop hand even though "EV preflop" < 0$. This is what online-"pros" completely miss. It's also a huge sign of how poor online gaming level is.

It's also a special case, that online players talk about solver like about some special weapon, while it's only useful in case you can implement it in a real game. And this is a key point. 90% of online-"pros" don't know how to bluff effectively, cause they are simply unable to assess fold equity the right way. They simply do not understand what the real chances for a fold of each opponent on this concrete flop for each of bluff bet size.

IF you bet 30% pot - fold equity = X%
IF you bet 50% pot - fold equity = X+Y%
If you bet 120% pot - fold equity = X+Y+Z%

And a pro player understand these values really well. So he chooses the most profitable (optimal) bet for bluffing.
Lol, watch what online-pros do...

But to implement bluff into your game, you need to controll bet sizes of other players! Rofl! And these "pros" don't control it, but it's the most important info in the game. Online world is some kind of a circus, I do not understand how did it happen to live that long. This fairy tales about magical playing accoring to some "average numbers" (HUD)

- by the way, i'm a developer of a poker traker software - please, don't say I lie, Slugant has already claimed that, and I sent specification in another thread. I mean, I depeveloped the software very close to Holdem manager (C++ program which was recording and analyzing stats while gaming on Bet365 and Fulltilt). I mean, I perfectly know those numbers, you base your gaming on. But I refused to use it, because found it senseless to base my gaming on it (don't forget, i'm a risk analyst, I wouldn't refuse using statistics for no reason).

Regarding watching moves of best players. While I was discussing the situation in iPoker on Gispy Team forum, some of members shown me videos of top Spin&Go player (500$ Spin&Go's).

Lol, man, limp A5o from a small blind?
20% bet on a weak hand on a dangerous flop for a bluff? (of course he was raised and had to fold)
3BB raise from a big blind (in stead of min-raise of check) on QQ hand vs a limp from a small blind? (of course limper folded his hand)?

It's a pure circus. But yeah, he plays 500$ Spin&Go - so he is so pro. What a shame, really.

Man, you started this dialog ))

Yes, I can see you value solver pretty much. Yes, from this point of view it's outdated. I agree.

Nath )) I didn't decide to "play" like that. I did that, to check the software's behavior. "What will happen, if I start to play according to a software logic". And it worked perfectly. For example, the software started to show me cool combinations on a postflop in case I folded my hand in the following "manner" -

Man, this is EXACTLY what I expected to see. Good bye fairy tale about fare online poker! This is all I'm aiming. So that everyone would know what is going on here to choose if he should participate in this scam.

So, I'm hearing, "No, I do not review my own play with anyone else."

OK, good luck!

Man! ))

My first phrase in the answer to you -

I played 10$-100$ limits (up to 300$ buy-in and 5$ limit holdem cash - LH500) and watched how the play, do they manage to steal my blinds, which hands they show, when they play against other opponents on the table -

and this is what multi-tablers just don't do. You DO NOT even watch hands, where your own opponents play vs each other!! It's a poker basics to watch their gaming, not to pay your own chips to "check his gaming logic".

And, after this, yes, I watch my gaming efficiency, on the final table. First hour of gaming in the tournament.

What is your stack increase in the first hour (low blinds levels) on a tournament, do you know? Mine one - +5% per tournament on turbo MT SnG tournaments 1500 starting chips (Pokerstars). What is your number? If you check you gaming effieciency on the early stage of a tournament. Do you manage to increase your stack on the first hour of a tournament?

Then I go and watch my bluffs effieciency BB/per hand bluff -

Have you ever checked your bluffing BB/per hand value? Do you know if you bluff +EV? I do know. May be I slightly understand if I outplay my opponents? You?

Do you know HOW to check your bluff efficiency? Because it's not the straight-forward calculation, you need to devide chips invovled in the pot before and after the flop stage to calculate this.

Otherwise, you don't even know if your bluffing is +EV!

Or you, guys, just open 5 tables and are sure that you play strictly according to solver? All good?

Yeah, it perfectly works in online, good luck playing in a fair game, when this circus will be closed or become oficially a typical online fraud.