Bodybuilding Classic Physique Division Offseason log

Alright I'm looking at this and other images and thinking "I don't look very far behind the guys I'm looking up to on the pro stage who are earning top 5 placings...". Like right now i'd still get destroyed, but I can pretty much be there in 2-3 years.

This will be my last 2 years in teaching. After that we're going to bodybuilding full time and trying to make it in online coaching. I have enough money to do it tomorrow and not be wiped out if I failed after a year or two. But risk aversion and all that. Discussed it with my mom, she was surprisingly supportive. She worked in a school and bitched about the same things I was bitching about last year. These features were mercifully absent at my previous schools because they were not owned and run by westerners. But still it was a painful wakeup call that in this profession credentials and saying the right things matter much more than competence and you can very easily end up with somebody who is far less intelligent and capable than you telling you what to do and accidentally sabotaging you because they are literally too dumb to understand how much smarter you are than them. Sorry I'm sounding like thremp rn. He's a good guy though, srs. If I don't at least try I'll be wondering "what if?" and 38-42 is around the peak years for a bodybuilder physically, particularly those of us who started much later. I will probably only withdraw around 30-35k from my portfolio to have living expenses for a year and that will still leave me with a reasonable portfolio. I mean I guess if there's a giant market downturn I will end up just staying in teaching, but I gotta feeling money printer about to go brrr.

Location I'm not sure. Possibly stay in China because in person personal training is insanely lucrative, minimum 70 USD/hr for a competitive bber personal trainer. But high cost of living, needing a VPN to do basic work and that possibly being interrupted for 24-72 hours randomly, small living spaces, and difficulties marketing to locals. Possibly Bangkok, but cost of living almost as high, bad pollution, traffic, extremely crowded (way more crowded than anywhere I've lived in China and I'm in the 2nd or 3rd biggest city in the country rn). Fewer "hardcore" gyms than you would think and the only ones I'm aware of are in expensive tourist areas that are only about 90% of the cost of living where I am now. Rent would be much cheaper but food would be more expensive.

Pattaya Jomtien or Phratamnak looking like great options. Low cost of living, expats and not many tourists, relatively far away from the filth/degeneracy, big community of professional online coaches and fitness influencers who all congregate in The Muscle Factory Phratamnak so you can network and cloutmaxxx, scenic and by the beach. But kinda dirty and 3rd world grime, still some trashy gross people around, transportation is a bitch if you don't want to risk getting on a dangerous motorbike taxi. I could live in an actual house for the first time since 2015 instead of a condo or apartment...

There's a lot of time to consider different options; maybe even things I'd never thought of like Turkey/Vietnam/UAE/Kuwait. Just worry about saving and making maximal bodybuilding progress rn, location is whatever.

Maybe when you say this it is because it's too far out for thinking about location right now to matter or not. However, it seems like location is super important to you based on your review of the last several areas you've lived in.

Really interesting to hear your progress and where you're at. Going allin definitely seems like something you should go for with teaching as a very very solid backup plan.

When you have 2 year job contracts, a cyclical job market, and lose money for early termination it matters. When you work online and can pack up and leave any time it doesn't matter as much. So yeah, i guess to be more precise it matters, but the consequence of a wrong choice is much less severe than as a teacher. Pattaya Phratamnak 90%.

That's one leak I'm trying to plug... curate my social circle carefully. If you're trying to be a professional bodybuilder and online coach, it makes a lot of sense to go where a lot of other professional bodybuilders and online coaches live. You'll probably learn something from them.

If somebody majored in education and this has been their only job and it was their job in their home (western) country its a giant red flag. I have literally met a single exception so far. It was my principal in Chengdu, a South African white guy who lived the way most SJW virtue signallers want others to believe they live. The dude got into teaching legitimately because he felt bad for poor stupid black people in his home country and authentically wanted to help them and spent 15 years doing so before giving up and moving to China. He didn't have much raw IQ, but he had incredible humility and self awareness; he was good at the job of delegating, allocating, and organizing and he voluntarily took the classes that were brainless to teach even if they were tedious because he knew other people could do a better job with more demanding classes.

Most of the time the person with this profile is not only a f*king moron, but worse than that they're the type of moron who believes wholeheartedly in their own superiority over everyone else. And as you get higher up the ladder they become more common as opposed to less.

That's definitely what I believe. I will eventually get into teaching, houston infested with dumbarse latinos and I need to pitch in. Lol not going to China to help out Chinese. Ja ja.

I'd visit you in Thailand bro, my wife would love to go. China no facking way. I hate Chinese food and I hate Chinese. And no it's not because my ex is Chinese, it's because they ruin all my good games. So, so, so greedy.

And they were super annoying in college. Friday nights be hogging up computer lab, ruining the curve when I be partying. So annoying. And growing up in LA, they owned all the stores and would price gouge incessantly. Overcharge me for a pack baseball cards. Bastards. And then at IBM, only worked with Chinese engineers and I know they were thinking DEI alert. Down with China!!!

I feel better already.

This sounds great.

I'm not sure I've ever seen you post that. It's always rant followed by another rant. Not that I don't love your rants, just never sure you're actually living the good life after logging out of 2p2 or not.

It's irrational jaded racism. But my gosh, have they ruined a bunch of games.

And this goes back to my childhood and my college years. Straight up beasts that interfere and fill me with jealousy. I want to care that much about making $$$ and I just don't.

Evo blames my ex, he now knows this goes back 40 years. Don't know what it is, never have respected them intellectually. But outwork me? Absolutely, they monsters. And it's annoying because my genes just don't flow that way.

Guy,

Thought of you when I read this.

https://x.com/bronzeagemantis/status/195...

Jesus, I tried to read that.

Jaded, cynical and embarrassingly one dimensional. Feels like it was written by a 15 yr old

Loco,

I get it, man. It will have been 10 years in about 2 weeks. The bloom is off the rose. I find myself getting along well with Chinese who are around the top 10% of SES/Educational Attainment and those in the bottom 20%, but the rest can be real c*nts.

Gotta meet them where they are.

I can distill it down to way fewer words:

Marriage is sacrificing a varied and exciting sex and romantic life for the sake of providing a stable environment for raising children. If you feel like the utility you'd get from raising children exceeds the utility you'd get from slaying young poon, go ahead and do it. If not, don't.

If you are a low attractiveness man then it's just your only buy-in for sex and romance at all, which sucks I guess.

The whole categorization of different female archetypes was very lol and cringe though.

Unless you are talking about massage parlors, this certainly isn't true. Especially if we are taking about the 1980s-1990s, which I assume we are. And good chance most of the storeowners young Loco assumed were Chinese were Korean anyways.

Upon reading it again, it pisses me off more. Like I get it, women aren't behaving the way the author wants them to. But he condemns and mocks them for literally any possible path they take... like what do you want them to do, homie? It feels like you just want to rage at them regardless of how they choose to live their lives because you (the author, not you) are super angry.

This is the first and hopefully last time I'm going to complain about contest prep. Overall this has been an awesome prep and taught me a lot of outside the gym life lessons and helped me discover things about myself and what makes me happy, and even brought out some creativity in very strange and unexpected ways I hadn't forseen. I'm actually really pleased with that 2nd short story I wrote, the sample chapter from the book that will never be finished was just okay. That mid phase of prep just changes your brain and cognition in amazing ways that lead to breakthroughs outside the gym and the restrictive lifestyle helps you regain perspective and presence. It's a bit like what it must feel like to be in a non-violent and safe prison or the religious experiences of monks; in a way such an experience and limiting one's daily choices and decision fatigue could lead to a strange form of happiness and ability to appreciate smaller and more mundane experiences. It is a "hedonic reset" in a way.

Alas... today is the first and only day I've just run into a brick wall. My first unplanned deload of the whole contest prep. I got up at 5:00 having gone to bed at 9:30. I felt exhausted. I scrolled the internet for a bit and sat down with my morning coffee and clenbuterol. I didn't feel ****. I literally went back to sleep, showered, went back to sleep again, ate breakfast, went back to sleep, and every tiny little movement and thing around the house feels completely exhausting. I'm just so deep in a fatigue hole that last sunday's de-output+moderate refeed wasn't near enough to dig me out. I go back to work in 6 days. I'm going to bring steps down from 20k to 14k, train at barely maintenence 2-3x/wk, but try to maintain food around the same and pray this doesn't put me into a surplus; and if it does my only option is less food because I just can't tolerate more activity anymore. It's been just over a month at 20k steps 6-7 days per week on top of my normal training and escalating clen+coffee and I finally reached the limit. Down 16kg in 20.5 weeks. I'm stage lean but it's still just a few days too early to start peaking. 14 days out will probably be okay to go up to around 300g carbs/day, drop steps to 12k, and just play in the gym and have fun doing little RPE3 pump work and hold there until 4 days out and then raise carbohydrates up a bit more.

I've complained about life stuff making me unable to put desired effort into prep, but never the prep process itself until today. It hasn't always been pleasurable, but it has been rewarding, enlightening, and meaningful. Today was also the first day I thought to myself "Alright I want this to be over now" where before I was literally thinking "hmm maybe i can continue the diet for a few weeks afterword... I wish this wasn't ending so quickly".

Even without any more meaningful fat loss, which I think I'm straight up too fatigued to really do, we can get some great improvements in visuals by washing off fatigue, crushing estrogen, and letting the winstrol do its thing. There will be no manipulation of water/sodium/potassium going into the show beyond 2 vodka cranberries and some dandelion root the night before, which i may test out tonight.

Offseason Jordan Peters style plan, moderately higher volume (higher reps and less rest on arms+delts specifically) and lower intensity than he does but less volume than say Dr. Mike training, something in between.

Upper 1:
delt raise of choice: 3 sets failure
Incline BB or Db press: top set of 6-10, backoff 12-15
Unilateral plate loaded pulldown or high row: 3 sets failure (right side 1 more rep than left)
Cable flies: 3 sets failure (maybe rest pause in the interest of time saving)
Chest supported t-bar row: 3 sets failure
Underhand pulldowns: 3 sets failure

Superset: curl of choice and db skullcrusher of choice: 3 sets failure

Lower 1:
Curl of choice+tricep pushdown of choice+delt raise of choice superset 3 rounds failure try to limit to under 10 minutes

Hip thrust: 2 sets to failure
Leg extensions: 2 sets failure, 3rd set on right side only
Lying ham curl: 2 sets failure, 3rd set on right side only
Paused SLDL: set of 12 RPE 5-9, start week one at RPE 5, gradually go up to RPE 9, then drop back down to week 1 weight+5kg
Single leg press: 2 sets failure
Bilateral leg press: 1 set failure

Upper 2:
delt raise of choice: 3 sets failure
Flat Db press: top set of 6-10, backoff 12-15
Unilateral plate loaded pulldown or high row: 3 sets failure (right side 1 more rep than left)
Cable flies: 3 sets failure (maybe rest pause in the interest of time saving)
Chest supported t-bar row: 3 sets failure
Horizontal lat focused pull of choice: 3 sets failure

Superset: curl of choice and db skullcrusher of choice: 3 sets failure

Lower 2:
Curl of choice+tricep pushdown of choice+delt raise of choice superset 3 rounds failure try to limit to under 10 minutes

Hip thrust: 2 sets to failure
Leg extensions: 2 sets failure, 3rd set on right side only
Lying ham curl: 2 sets failure, 3rd set on right side only
Paused SLDL: set of 12 RPE 5-9, start week one at RPE 5, gradually go up to RPE 9, then drop back down to week 1 weight+5kg
RFESS: 2 sets RPE 8, do sets of 10 on right side and sets of 8 on left side

Training on Saturday Sunday at the bodybuilding specialty gym, Tuesday Wednesday at the 24/7 fitness near my home which still has pretty decked out equipment but no spot for incline barbell unless you drag the bench all the way up to the wooden platform and dick around for 10 minutes getting the right spot.

Bis and Tris may reduce to 2 sets per workout instead of 3. I was able to handle 3 in a surplus last time but i'm unsure as I've switched to more targetted curl variations that might need fewer total sets to get the same stimulus.

Rep ranges we're going to reduce from what I'm used to and be mostly in the 8-12 range for most things except arms and delts where it's gonna be more 10-25. Quads I will also be taking down the reps to 8-12 as I think those 20+ rep leg presses were just too much cardio/metabolic training leading to excessive inflammation and sleep difficulties for how much muscular stimulus they'd be delivering relative to a regular 8-12er.

Volume totals:
Back: 18 sets
Hamstrings: 10 (not counting rfess or leg press as they're fairly indirect)
Glutes: 10
Quads: 9
delts: 12
bis: 12
Tris: 12
Chest: 10

A bit higher volume than a pure JP yelling and screaming program and lower than what Dr. Mike programming would call optimal. Main focus glutes, lats from the front, hamstrings, delts, and strengthening my right side legs and lats to match my left side (weird that left is stronger given that right is my dominant hand). the biceps and triceps may end up coming down to 8 if I'm not seeing rep/weight progressions every week. My 2 main curl variations will be one where you sit backwards in a lat pulldown apparatus and brace your elbows against the pad where you normally put your knees under it for a curl that really isolates the peaks and takes forearms+brachiallis out of it and then the dual handle facing away cable curl. Given their relative higher specificity compared to bilateral cable curls and ez curls, I might find I only need 2 sets and 3 is too many. Triceps will be db skullcrushers and vanilla pushdowns; if it ain't broke don't fix it, tris are one of my best bodyparts.

There's some sick ass JP edits on instagram. Never seen a 5'6 guy with such AURA. And since quitting BBing and doing trt jiu jitsu he no longer looks 15 years older than he really is.

My glutes did get striated from the side, but not from the back. Some combination of not enough muscle (unlikely), fat storage patterns (almost certainly the case), and bodyfat not low enough (also unlikely).

It's okay. Menegate, Robert Timms, Wesley Vissers... all top 10 classic physique Mr. Olympia contenders who have won multiple professional shows who have never had a glute striation. The guy who won the overall at the NPC USA's and won his pro card in classic physique has softer glutes and hams than I do. Glutes+hams are the most important muscles in bodybuilding judging, but if you have other good muscles you can overcome a weakness there to a great extent. You will never see a mr olympia who doesn't have visible glute straitions from behind but my wildest aspiration would be to qualify for the Mr. Olympia at all, which is hypothetically feasible one day even if it's unlikely. Plenty of pros have great glute definition and size (Jared Feather) and are horribly unsuccessful as pros.

okay I see why you all think this is gay LOL.

Alright long ass post and i imagine nobody is coming to this log for the bodybuilding talk really, even though it's still the most interesting part to me personally.

My back looks crazy wide, detailed, and hard from the back but from the front the lat width is sort of unimpressive. I attribute this to the fact that I stuck with pullups as my main lat builder for much longer than most bodybuilders; who generally stop using them after they can do 12-15 in a single set and move on to something like pulldowns or high row machines as their main lat builder. I definitely do want to come back to pullups at some point, but at least for the ~24 week offseason I'll stick to unilateral pulldowns as the main move. Pulldowns carried over exceptionally well to chins last time; i did mostly v-handle pulldowns offseason last year and then when i brought back ng chins I immediately blazed past previous PRs and set a life time PR of 26 reps at a gym weight of 89.5kg with straps. Without straps I think 22 would be a challenge.

This front double bicep is my favorite pic of the whole prep. I actually was very bloated+watery in that pic and looked less impressive than the pic taken 10 days before, but the combo of facial expression+hair cut+new more conservative trunks+my mood and mindset that day make it a special one I'm going to go back to over the years I'm sure.

Alex Cambronero is either 46 or 47 this year. 3 days after winning the master's olympia classic physique 40+, he then won the Japan Pro open classic (not masters) division and re-qualified for the normal olympia. I believe he's gotten top 5 olympia over age 40.

Prob some SEO in the arms lately.

But clearly there is hope for late middle aged Latinos in this pageant/sport to keep crushing it and beating the young bucks. And I wouldn't be surprised if he's just taking test+primo+anavar heading into a contest these days either; probably not blasting 400mgs of tren ace anymore. He actually looks better now than he did when he was younger; another top 10 finish would be a great achievement. Breon Ansley is 44 this year and almost certain to place top 5.

This is why I'm feeling more okay about dreaming big. I felt so limited and afraid of doing so and it really stopped me from doing what I want to do with my life before; we're removing this limitation now. The worst case scenario is failing to generate enough income from it but still having a year of amazing gains being able to focus on bodybuilding and then returning to teaching and just keep making slow incremental bbing progress.

Yes, me too.

I agreed with your point earlier about how he groups them in such a level 1, cliched fashion and then dismisses each of them.

He seems totally unaware of what a total ****ing cliche he is himself. Imagine if a woman was writing an article about his ‘type’? (Or maybe that’s the point. IDK)

Also…and not wanting to take this into Oprah territory, but the creative sex is gonna dry up after a year or two into any relationship whether you’re married or not. It just does. And I write this as a guy 6 months into the most incredible sex I’ve ever had with my new Brazilian gf. So it’s depressing, but as it gets less new it will get less exciting.

So anyone getting married (or getting into a long term relationship) and expecting to be having 5x per week exciting, experimental rooting is just an idiot. That isn’t why you do it - you do it for partnership and someone in your corner and someone to share stuff with

And I think it’s on balance worth it. Probably the least worst option, but worth it. Particularly with kids of course but even if not…so long as you pick the right person. And I say that as someone whose marriage obviously ended up in a shitty way and with the kind of story that that guy would probably write about. But I still want to get into a long term one again, because I still think it’s better than the alternative. And maybe a part of that ‘better’ for me is because I’m lucky enough to be able to get with and choose from nice looking women but I would believe that even if I was fishing in a different pool

Agree with all of the above. Some dudes just hate women, and they crowd out the voices of people who have legitimate complaints about how men and boys are doing in modernity. I find myself disliking some of these types even more than the radfems, who are least have a fairly clear proscriptive ideal of how they'd like men to behave. Even if this ideal would be fundamentally very unattractive to women generally, they don't seem to want this ideal in bad faith and are largely just lacking in the self awareness of what factors truly cause involuntary sexual arousal in human females and what creates sustainable healthy romantic relationships.

If you want to maximize sex life or even the sort of romantic passion/intimacy over your lifetime, marriage is not the path assuming you reach some baseline level of attractiveness (that baseline also probably goes DOWN with age where just not being fat at 50 automatically puts you in top 20%).

It's perhaps become clear that over the course of this prep and after dodging a nuclear bomb who lived in Shenzhen while I was still in Hengqin, my anxiety about finding a long term partner has reached lifetime PR low at literally 0. I'll tell a very brief version of the story because ain't nobody got time for walls of text about girls; I only write walls of text about training programs and hard glutes now. Plus I know with my chosen lifestyle and path, I'm on track to easily attract a much younger partner while i"m in my 40s, because i already consistently can.
>Met girl on tantan, lifter. Independent personal trainer+pilates group instructor at a studio she runs out of her home. 300rmb per hour per person, get 12 middle aged ladies who don't want to actually train but want to tell people they've exercised and relieve some guilt, groups cram into the studio 6x/day 5x/wk. Nu money very high income. Fake boobs, very pretty, doesn't compete but would smash bikini or wellness divisions if she did.
>First red flag, asks if I'd be willing to meet her parents and get engaged within 12 months if we hit it off. This is before I've even met her face to face....
> She's looking to open a gym; the rents for spaces she's looking at are beyond my monthly income
> 5 foot nothing with weirdly short limbs
>Porsche, 280k usd apartment, 30 years old
>Peasant background, worthless gambling adulterer father, divorced parents, obvious unhealed wounds evident within 90 minutes of meeting
> Can't shake a feeling of extreme discomfort around her despite high sexual chemistry/physical affection. She's a peasant. She's got ultra anxious and high strung body language and speech. Talks super fast and seems perpetually frantic and cracked out.
>Clear gap in cognition easily recognizable even with language barrier (meaning me speaking Chinese, she's obviously on 0 English)She's kind of a tard.
>She throws around money on insane bullshit and just randomly buys an iphone 16 pro max in the mall without even blinking.
>Briefly brainwash myself into trying to like her anyway. "Bro she's rich and hot, most couples argue about money as their main thing and this would be taken care of for us"
>1st date about 10 hours since I traveled 2 each way to get there. 2nd date around 12 hours, things get hot and heavy but no p in v
>after 2nd date she announces on wechat she wants a luxury handbag 'in order to feel desired'
>Ex bf and other men she's dated are all several multiples of income higher than me, ~2.5k usd handbag is nothing to them. Lots to me
>Frivolous status signalling item, very early in the courtship process
>I politely decline, she rages and gets extremely upset and emotional complains about how I just want to use her and nobody will love her (???)
>I kinda lol and go back to my contest prep

After that I was kinda just like "hmm... I don't really even want this. The request for a handbag was a blessing because being around this person, despite the hotness and money, fundamentally made me feel very uncomfortable and I was totally unable to relate to her".

I've probably stated it before, but the two women i stayed with the longest were not necessarily the most attractive ones (one was definitely the least physically attractive of all of my ex-partners) but they were straight up the highest raw cognitive horsepower and educational attainment. When and if I do start looking for a partner, I'll be screening heavily for this. The first one was still an undergraduate when we met but had self-taught English from 15-18 to actual fluency with 0 English learning resources and is now studying phd. The 2nd one didn't speak English but was finishing her MD and working toward being a cosmetic surgeon. This sort of "cognitive assortativity" in mating matters a LOT. Syndr0m jokes that his wife is dumb and dismisses me when I mentioned this; but he's also incapable of interacting with his wife in her native language (I am and have only spoken to her in Chinese) and forgets that she too self-taught English while living in China with 0 educational resources. If somebody does that, they are basically almost always in the 110+ range automatically.

Good to hear about your Brazilian girlfriend though bro!

There was one girl I regret not pursuing. Also an MD doing an MD/Biology PHD program. She trained at my gym in Chengdu and she made her interest VERY clear, was even the one to approach me in the elevator one day. At one point she even requested a picture together and insta-posted it to her wechat moments. Lots of flirtation and unsolicited touching and compliments. She could read and write English but wasn't great with speaking. Super smart girl, liked training, very pretty with short dyed red hair, about 4 years my junior, good intact upper class family. Also one of those really fast talkers, but not like the anxious/high strung type, like the one who's brain is just doing rapidfire computations constantly and she has to speak fast to even keep up the pace of her brain working through ideas.

Why did I not pursue her after finally agreeing to one date when she asked me out? because she was extremely skinny and flat chested; I mean like 163cm maybe 38-41kgs. In retrospect, dumb. That was a problem that could be solved by time and cheeseburgers.

Oh well it's fine. I have a looootttt of time.

The ‘buy me a handbag’ thing is nuts and is something I e never encountered or even heard of in the UK or Australia

She did you a favour being so open about it so early on. Although it’s a shame you didn’t get to **** her first!

I could have. Chose not to. It's not at all abnormal in China in a city like Shenzhen in her income bracket. Realizing "this isn't even crazy person behaviour, this is normal" is exactly what got me to stop stressing about this so much. Her reaction was definitely crazy person behaviour (omg nobody will ever love me) but the request itself? nope.

Remember that dowries in excess of 1 year of a man's earnings and a house in excess of 20 years of a man's earnings are also normal prerequisites after 1-3 years of dating and before marriage. More than 3 years of dating before marriage would be considered a humiliation, depending on the girls' age. a 20k rmb handbag after ~20ish hours of face to face time over 2 dates and some sexual contact among people with net worths in the mid to high 6 figures of USDs and incomes in the low 6 figures? Totally standard. This sort of request is partially her own neuroticism, partially conformity with norms, and partially a pragmatic test of "is this guy really into me?". I don't think she's wrong evil or bad for asking for such, nor would I make sweeping statements about "omg chiense women are all money grubbing whores!" in response. It's just different cultural norms, standards, and ways of measuring comittment and affection...
(to clarify, my income and net worth are not this high. But she knew my income and told me outright I was by far the lowest income person she'd been on a date with. I mean relative to what she's used to, not me. I still a brokie over here stackin up sats).

Fundamentally they view this as a transactional contract where a man buys sexual access and ostensibly exclusivity along with both of them collaborating to create a stable environment of mutual investment in offspring. And they don't view this as prostitution. Ideas about cognitive compatibility or involuntary arousal based desire or a man feeling bad about himself because his wife is only having sex with him out of a sense of "duty" have not even occurred to them in many cases. The sex you have with a husband is inherently dutiful as opposed to passionate or intimate, but obviously its a bonus if you can find a partner you actually enjoy it with. The idea of having sex for enjoyment (as a woman) is ridiculed and absurd; you need to extract payment for this even if it is enjoyable and if you don't you are being humiliated. Paradoxically if you are a female hiring a male prostitute (this does exist, but it's niche) this requirement is relaxed, but in this case you must also take the dominant role with this male sex worker and never the reverse.

And you know the craziest part? Is it the trad cons pushing this idea? NO! it's the Chinese feminists pushing the "you must get paid for this" rhetoric.

Handbag-gate not standard nationwide, by any means. But a city like shenzhen in this income bracket, yes absolutely.

Best experience was with the HK local girl, but since that one was actually good overall and I still have infrequent contact with her I will refrain from sharing. She may even attend my show despite things not working out between us (factors outside of either of our control). That was also quite unique in that the pairing of western man+HK woman but the only mutual language is both of their non-native language (mandarin, but hers was far above the average hong konger's) is probably... the only one in the world at that moment.

Well.... I'm oversimplifying "chinese feminists". They're a surprisingly diverse group of people with oftentimes contradictory heterodox beliefs about gender and politics; many of them are espousing polar opposite beliefs. Some of them are wildly mercenary materialistic autists who celebrate extracting as many resources from men as possible, others have views more in line with conventional western feminism. Others still yet are more like Korean WGTOW, which I actually have some respect for tbh. I'll let you guess which ones get the most social media clicks....