Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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You have to admit if you have any understanding of actual European history and identity, you have to find it slightly amusing that the intersectional left has decided an Israeli born Jew who looks like this is their avatar of white supremacy. 50 years ago he wouldn't have even been considered white by any of these people.
Netanyahu, whose father's real name was Mileikovsky, is of Lithuanian and Polish Jewish descent. He has a tan because he has spent most of his life in the Levant. The intrusive Zionist settlers have established a right to be there (within certain borders which, as a scofflaw nation, they ignore). They have not established the right to do whatever they like and extirpate the indigenous Arabs. And the ancient 'right of conquest' lapsed in 1945, on the foundation of the UN, and has not been legally recognised since.
Netanyahu, whose father's real name was Mileikovsky, is of Lithuanian and Polish Jewish descent. He has a tan because he has spent most of his life in the Levant. The intrusive Zionist settlers have established a right to be there (within certain borders which, as a scofflaw nation, they ignore). They have not established the right to do whatever they like and extirpate the ind
European ancestry is not as common among Israelis as you people try to pretend.
The Jews were also there before the Palestinians, not that it’s even relevant.
Israel is there now, the Arabs tried multiple times to genocide the Israelis and failed. The result is they now have no claim to the land.
How am I blaming the victims?
Ordinary Palestinian folks are victims of not only the IDF, but of their own government that started an unwinnable war.
Do you not see that?
no I dont see that. seems like absurd pretzel logic to mitigate the actions of the genocidal Jewish Supremacists guided by the Imperial USA.
European ancestry is not as common among Israelis as you people try to pretend.
The Jews were also there before the Palestinians, not that it’s even relevant.
were they all really though?
You have to admit if you have any understanding of actual European history and identity, you have to find it slightly amusing that the intersectional left has decided an Israeli born Jew who looks like this is their avatar of white supremacy. 50 years ago he wouldn't have even been considered white by any of these people.
I would actually be fine to use grandparents racial identities to define a person ethnicity. IF IT WAS USED EVERY TIME. I feel bad in my stomach when a philipino in sweden is called "swedish" (unless it's for technical legal reasons). It's insulting both to philipino people and to swedish people.
but it's trule obscene for the left to use legal nationality when they want to claim something, and grandparents when they want to claim something else.
Netanyahu, whose father's real name was Mileikovsky, is of Lithuanian and Polish Jewish descent. He has a tan because he has spent most of his life in the Levant. The intrusive Zionist settlers have established a right to be there (within certain borders which, as a scofflaw nation, they ignore). They have not established the right to do whatever they like and extirpate the ind
yes and? when a 19y old whose parents are from rwanda assassinates british little girls we are told that is a british murderer.
I am ok using grandparents. But only if we use grandparents *every single time for everything*.
I personally don't give any value to UN determinations. I think it's a grotesque joke that the UN have any role in human society. An institution which had saudi arabia has chair of the human right commission is a monty python sketch, not something that i would ever look at to find answers about what is reasonable or not.
the point is that Doyle is being dishonest when he implies that Bibi's ancestors have been in Palestine longer than the Palestinians.
the point is that Doyle is being dishonest when he implies that Bibi's ancestors have been in Palestine longer than the Palestinians.
almost no one was in gaza 100 years ago, you think current residents are all descendants of the very few people that were there in 1920? especially after the nakba? why
most gaza residents are descendant of people who went there during egypt ownership of the strip. So after Israel already existed. They aren't a people, they are recent occupiers of land that wasn't theirs
again, thats a different subject than the ancestry of Mileikowsky and his fellow Ashkenazi with regards to Palestine.
the "gEnoCidE" redic claims are about Gaza.
So let's talk Gaza.
West bank was syrian anyway, same thing.
The whole of Palestine was part of the Ottoman province of Southern Syria before the Great War. It has never been part of modern Syria. The West Bank was part of Mandate Palestine and was reserved for Arabs and forbidden to Zionist settlers, and the UN in 1947 followed the League of Nations' lead in this matter.
the point is that Doyle is being dishonest when he implies that Bibi's ancestors have been in Palestine longer than the Palestinians.
I didn’t imply that at all. Per usual, you’re too ******ed to comprehend simple English.
It’s amazing that Victor posts in here 20 times a day and no one cares at all what he has to say. What a sad existence.
The whole of Palestine was part of the Ottoman province of Southern Syria before the Great War. It has never been part of modern Syria. The West Bank was part of Mandate Palestine and was reserved for Arabs and forbidden to Zionist settlers, and the UN in 1947 followed the League of Nations' lead in this matter.
The Arabs tried to genocide the Israelis in 1948 and failed. That was the end of their claim to the land.
and like 100 or 200 of them were italians yes.
But askhenazi jews aren't the only people in Israel
My understanding is the group of “Italians” that many ashkenazi Jews descend from were originally from Central Europe somewhere, and probably went through the same population bottleneck.
Ethnicity can get complicated very fast when you do dna analysis and realize what we consider ethnic groups (like Italians) are themselves a mix of different ethnic founder groups.
The whole of Palestine was part of the Ottoman province of Southern Syria before the Great War. It has never been part of modern Syria. The West Bank was part of Mandate Palestine and was reserved for Arabs and forbidden to Zionist settlers, and the UN in 1947 followed the League of Nations' lead in this matter.
sorry i ****ed up i meant part of Jordan ofc (like gaza was part of egypt)
My understanding is the group of “Italians” that many ashkenazi Jews descend from were originally from Central Europe somewhere, and probably went through the same population bottleneck.
Ethnicity can get complicated very fast when you do dna analysis and realize what we consider ethnic groups (like Italians) are themselves a mix of different ethnic founder groups.
My understanding is that the central europeans (austrians mostly?) were the rest of the original population, coupled with north-eastern italians.
So it was basically people from southern germany, austria, maybe current day slovenia, and the venice republic. The pulsating core of the best and brightest in europe (which means in the whole world at the time).
The whole of Palestine was part of the Ottoman province of Southern Syria before the Great War. It has never been part of modern Syria. The West Bank was part of Mandate Palestine and was reserved for Arabs and forbidden to Zionist settlers, and the UN in 1947 followed the League of Nations' lead in this matter.
Israel was set up to fail by the UN. Knowing that Arab nations were planning to genocide Zionists with superior numbers and arms, the UN, especially Britain and the US, called for an arms embargo on Israel.
Only Israeli resourcefulness and resolve, and the legendary incompetence of Arabs to conduct modern warfare, allowed Israel to survive.
1967 similar story with similar results.
The UN has shown time and time again they are not on Israel’s side. From its inception, Israel has had to maintain a balancing act of defying the UN enough so it can survive and thrive agains the UNs will, but not alienate its allies within the UN (which have changed over time)
And it has generally worked. Has Netanyahu gone too far this time and alienated too many allies, giving the UN enough leverage to destroy Israel once and for all? Time will tell.
It should also be pointed out that central Israel minus the West Bank is too narrow and too vulnerable to high ground to be defended properly. Which is what the UN wants.
And this is the main reason Israel has taken control of the West Bank, after Arabs used it as a launching point to conduct several attacks into Israel proper.
So anyone calling for Israel to retreat ro 1967 armistice lines without even trying to address these security concerns is not actually interested in peace. They are just interested in facilitating Arab aggression being more successful than it has been to date. The West Bank is too close to Israel coastal cities for the iron dome to work. If Hamas or another group set up similar infrastructure in the West Bank as they have in Gaza, it would be devastating.
Now I understand why the UN wants this to happen, as it would make Arab/Muslim countries happy. But at the same time you have to accept Israel doesn’t want this to happen, and are going to defy the UNs desires on this point as much as they are able.
It should also be pointed out that central Israel minus the West Bank is too narrow and too vulnerable to high ground to be defended properly. Which is what the UN wants. And this is the main reason Israel has taken control of the West Bank, after Arabs used it as a launching point to conduct several attacks into Israel proper. So anyone calling for Israel to retreat ro 1967
I mean come on..... Just like I can admit Hamas is a death cult created to kill Israeli's you should be able to admit that what is happening in the west bank has exactly nothing to do with ''safety''. The reason people like you get called out for being Israeli propagandists is because of nonsense like that.
