Israel/Palestine thread

Isn't it kinda the same for russia?
Evading the draft is a felony and you can go to jail.
Not sure if jail in russia is better than war.

More lies.

Im not going to defend Russia's conscriptions either. but they dont send them to the front lines nearly to the extent as Ukraine. in fact, its against Russian law to use conscripts in Ukraine.

And we all know how law abiding Putin's Russia is

Service in the Russian army is pretty terrible even without combat, because of the brutal institutionalised hazing culture.

Try reading the room once in a while. Besides you and a few other mentally challenged individuals, no one cares.

He gets a lot more questions and replies than you, so maybe consider that?

Probably to be expected when he posts 20+ times a day and spends more time on here than every other member combined. You really aren’t very bright or observant.

The reality is Ive debunked so many of your lies while providing sources, there’s really no reply to give.

Get over me calling you a dimwit.

looks like my last 250 posts stretch back to 7/22 so I guess we can include basic math in the list of things that you have no clue about.

Expected response when getting destroyed by facts.

Don’t expect any kind of response of context or reason from the fanatical pro Netanyahu people. Do expect personal attacks and trolling one liner responses.

Islamophobia is far more of a driving force behind defending Israel and or criticism of Palestinians. Compared to antisemitism being a driving force of defending Palestine and or criticism of Israeli politics. It is so blatantly obvious. Islamophobia is an industry worth hundreds of millions of dollars going back multiple decades, you would have outright anti-Muslim people like Robert Spencer And Pam Geller appear on Fox News. Did you ever see David Duke or an actual real antisemite appear on Fox News as a policy expert. Of course not.

Of course plenty of pro Israel people are not Islamophobic. And there are antisemitic people who are criticizing Israel. But antisemitism is simply nonexistent when it comes to the mainstream media. We do have some pro Israel people lying about people they don’t like being anti-Semitic through “coded language”…they can’t show Tucker Carlson saying The Torah promotes pedophiles for example… as anti-Muslims in the mainstream do with Islam, which is a mischaracterization of Islam, just like actual antisemites do with the Torah and pedophilia, which is a mischaracterization of the Torah.

again the Islamophobia industry in America is a multi million dollar industry with people appearing on mainstream media openly degrading Islam and Muhammad.

But you can just look at this thread as an example just look through the thread at some of what the pro Netanyahu people say… look at what they say about Islam and how they use sayings like a “seventh century barbaric religion” or things like that. Happens plenty of times just look through the thread.

And go ahead and look at the people who are either criticizing Israeli policy or defending Palestinians… find an example of them saying something like Judaism is a barbaric religion. People could do that there’s all sorts of mischaracterizations of the Torah just like there is of the Quran. But I haven’t seen attacks on the Torah itt.

I’m sure the schizophrenic homeless person who shits themselves on the street while screaming about the illuminati gets more women looking at him than me too.

Can you give some examples where the Koran or Islam is unfairly criticized in this thread? Or really anywhere in the discourse?

If one were to draw any fair conclusions about Islam or the Muslim world based on various metrics related to human well-being, such as the maps below; what do you think are fair deductions to make?

Tell us your thoughts on Islam.

Well, I would say it’s time to question if you are arguing in good faith. As in the past 30 pages, there’s been a number of people who have attacked Islam. Tg comments is one. And that is there right I’m not offended by it

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Of course there is only one Jewish state. There are over 50 Muslim majority countries. Right now perhaps the bloodiest war in the world at least by numbers is happening in Christian majority Ukraine. And according to many people even in Israel, the IDF is engaging in a genocide in Palestine.

The worst ever violence ever committed on Jews was by Christian majority Nazi Germany. World War II, the bloodiest war ever fought in large part by Christians versus other Christians. You take that into account when you post things like your above.?

And also in the general discourse. Again, you can look at Robert Spencer, Pam Geller, and Bridgette Gabriel all have appeared on Fox News to attack Islam. So that is the mass media giving a spotlight to anti-Muslims. Can you ever recall Fox News giving a platform to somebody to attack Judaism. I can’t it doesn’t exist. To be fair in the more recent times things have changed even with Fox News as countries like Saudi Arabia hosting the LIV golf tour, hosting the next wrestlemania. I think Saudi Arabia or one of the gulf countries has a stake in Fox News. There are now huge numbers of female doctors and lawyers in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia even gave intelligence to Israel to help attack Iran.

It’s obvious there are cultural issues with groups of Jews and Muslims directly to your point wrt the points you list above. With regards to Israel this explains the Jewish settlers beating to death Palestinian Americans, violently attacking Palestinian Christians, destroying Christian holy sites in Palestine. The IDF Killing upwards of 200,000 Palestinians with almost 40% of them being under the age of 18. I’m criticizing that and any Muslim in the world who violently attacks people due to their ideology or who is suppressing different religions.

Ben Shapiro is perhaps the equivalent of Nick Fuentes. Yet Shapiro is constantly on Fox News. He has a major platform on YouTube, but Nick Fuentes is not allowed on YouTube. Shapiro (like Fuentes has with Jews) has criticized Muslims in general saying he believes most Muslims are radicals. Now imagine for a moment how somebody would react if someone said most Jews are radical. Forget about what one thinks about the point … how would one react to that?

Ben Shapiro is held in very high esteem by what is left of the pro Israel movement among young conservatives, young Republicans, young evangelicals. It’s not much people certainly not as many young conservative support Israel compared to before Israel’s operation in Gaza …most of the support of Israel today is from boomer Neo conservatives….the same people who will lash out at Nick Fuentes as an antisemite and even people who actually are on record saying they like Israel like Tucker Carlson.

I see more of a knee-jerk reaction by some pro Israel people to immediately accuse others of antisemitism for criticizing Israeli policy… while downplaying or even agreeing with people like Ben Shapiro or anti-Muslims like Robert Spencer or Bridget Gabriel.

Actually he does represent a branch of the online populist right that are tremendously "passionate" on this topic to the point they talk about little else. They are generally pro Russia, pro Iran, have nothing bad to say about Islam or the Muslim world. And hyper critical of the nation of Israel, all things "Zionist," and the majority of American Jews who are not vocally anti-Zionist. Although they will assure you they are not antisemetic and as proof will give examples of Jewish fringe left anti-Zionism that they agree with.

They also claim to be pro Christian; but their Christianity seems to only include compassion for Palestinians and bad faith criticism of Israel for "assaulting Christendom." And despite the fact Islam has spent the last 1500 years slowing carving out the Christian world in the Middle East, including several pogroms going on today in places like Syria, Iraq, Nigeria, Congo and Egypt; they will assure you it is Israel and the Jews who are singular threat to Christians in the Middle East.

Examples of social media pundits they take talking points from include Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, Darryl Cooper and Saagar Enjeti; and the politician they align the strongest with is MGT.

These people are extremely active on the online right, especially on Youtube and X platforms. I suspect in the real world they represent a much smaller % of the American populace than would appear on the surface; and A LOT of them are bots or paid actors residing in places like Pakistan, Russia and China.

Ben Shapiro is not the equivalent of Nick Fuentes. Nick is a proud antisemite and all around white supremacist. He criticizes people like Tucker and Candace for using the term Zionist instead of Jew in their slander. Today he went on a rant about JD Vance saying he was unfit to lead because he married a Jeet (this is the term Nick used) and his kids are brown (I am not exaggerating at all, it was really that blatantly racist and offensive).

Ben Shapiro is nothing like this. Pretty much all your posts are bad faith relativism, but this is extreme bad faith even for you.

Really showing your humanity today aren’t you, mister Liberal?

Reality is a bitch ain’t it?

I don’t think the Khight has any idea what he’s talking about.

This one map makes non muslim countries looks really bad?

USA light green is pretty funny too.

Or you thought Africa is one big muslim continent? (surely you didn't)