The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched

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22 July 2008 at 04:53 AM
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by Slugant

And John, if you think right now spending time multitabling and winning at online poker is a waste and a "lifetime"Do you think you have spent the last 6 years, losing at the lowest stakes or in your words "testing the software", wisely?Especially considering you are not even half-way your investigation and you are basically giving it up?Also, if you want to investigate/prove h

I came back to online gaming in 2018, only because online poker gaming process perfectly fit me. It doesn't involve typing on a keyboard.

And it was a huge problem, while I was playing on Pokerstars - there is a table chat available - that I was really interested in talking to guys on the table (the talks was really cool, btw, especially with online regular players, who were losing with the same AA hand every Sunday Million top 50-100 stage. And was wondering, wtf is going on, if you wanna win a bit more, than you "used to win"))

So I had to type and felt much worse... (physically)

Anyway, yes, since I got stuck at home and had to find something, that I was able to do - I found a good aim for myself. Just used my abilities to analyze statistics.

In general. I would NEVER go for this nightmare otherwise. If I was healthy and ready to work - it's just a huge waste of time. But, I think some people can get a positive outcome of my huge waste of personal time. And it, somehow, satisfies me.

Personally, I just don't wanna play a rigged game, yes. Just not interesting, man. I successfully realized in two professional spheres... I can choose what to do. I don't aim earning money any possible way. More then that, I had enough money on different stages of my life to understand, that it's just an utility, necessary for life, same as food and air. It will never make most people happy.


After taking a multi-year break from my last horrible online experience, I saw some WSOP action on TV and got the urge to play again. I determined which rooms are a viable NYC option and went with ACR at the start of July. At the beginning, I was pleasantly surprised -- my hands generally held up and the play felt realistic. I had a couple strong finishes in the tournaments I played and was running money up in cash games. Things quickly turned after some initial success.

I am an experienced player -- initially getting involved in the early 2000's online and doing quite well. I have some live tournament experience and have a 100% cash rate at WSOP tournaments (2/2 ;-)) The point is -- I've been around poker, and I know how the game should play. What I see at ACR is criminal. The amount of times I get the money in between 2.5:1 and 4:1 favorite (especially deep in the tournaments or on the bubble) only to be sucked out on, especially on the river, is enough to induce psychosis. Part of me says it's crazy to believe online is rigged, and I convince myself I must playing badly and redeposit. But the truth is, most of the players are not strong, and they should be losing steadily. There is something dreadfully wrong with these sites.


Things have become even worse over the last week. I've made maybe 10 $50 deposits, and the money is almost instantly gone. It feels like they have me labelled a frequent depositor and the cards have gotten even worse.


I don't like ACR but I don't think it's rigged. It's full of bots and RTA users, though, and the tournament structures are shitty, and management doesn't seem to care about those things.

That said, as a fellow "experienced player -- initially getting involved in the early 2000's online and doing quite well," I started out pretty hot my first 6 weeks or so on the site before hitting a rough patch. Probably just variance, and also I hadn't really done much to modernize my game yet. But I don't think there's much of an edge on the site in tournaments anyway, since almost everything that isn't a high-roller is a fast big-field gamble-fest.


by nath

What I'd really like to see from some of these "rigged" posters is something complete. An entire hand history. An unedited video of an hour of play. Something like that. Show us every hand and let us see how you play, not just cherry-picked screenshots or half-remembered sessions.

John tried that but had to switch of the stream after 5 minutes as all his predictions were wrong.

by Johnmir

Do you remember some world’s famous criminals? I do.

Do you remember people, who arrested them? Or who managed to escape and share the information with a police? I don’t.

Elliot Ness

by Johnmir

I mean, I haven’t got any motivation to scream about this, since it won’t give me anything.More than that, I have to keep participating in this shame, because Gambling supervisors aren’t doing anything to stop the fraud. So, I have to keep listening to insults of pretty wild, silly people to make others job and to share the information as well, as it is possib

yes you do have motivation to scream about it. thats why you screamed about it on here and gypsy team.

Your motivation is your overinflated ego that cant take the bruising of failing at poker.

by Johnmir

Nath, no, it is not a proof of rigging. It’s just an illustration of rare ingame situations, so that other players could pay more attention to this in their games.It could be interesting. But are you sure, it fits to this thread?Will it prove out-law moves of the rooms? How?For example, I could provide a good gaming level, but it’s simply senseless to discuss this h

yeah wouldn't fit the thread. man you are funny! you are shaking in your boots because you know you are going to fail again.

by Johnmir

Ladies and Gentleman the thought process of a professional level poker player.

I was going to go over the rest of your nonsense too but then i remembered you are a lost cause anyway. But yeah you couldn't be further of the mark if you tried.


by Johnmir

Personally, I just don't wanna play a rigged game, yes. Just not interesting, man.

So you decided to play 6 year straight 1tabling at micros on a site you know its rigged?? 🙂
Cmon man, even you must see this doesnt hold up.

For the rest you didnt answer any question.

You wanted to prove that sites are rigged, meaning that if you play good poker but not according to the hidden rules you lose AND that if you play bad poker but according to the hidden rules you will win.

With that theory in mind do you think it was wise of you to play 6 years only 1tabling microstakes and losing. Never even putting a day in to show the winning strategy???
This is way below amateur level analyst stuff. This is below a 6 year old level.

If you claim multitabling and showing how to win right now is a "lifetime"
How do you feel about the 6 years you have wasted losing at microstakes and having absolutely nothing to show for it because you forgot/refused to do the rest of the work.

by Johnmir

For example, I could provide a good gaming level, but it’s simply senseless to discuss this here.

How can you even claim this?? I think you are completely losing it again.
You claim you know the algorithm and how to beat the sites, its literally 50% of your theory and you say its senseless???

You know, I know, everybody knows john.. You only say its senseless and refuse to experience it because you are going to lose. Because in fact, you are incapable of having a good gaming level.

And dont say, like the other guy that you've won 10 years ago. Games evolve, players dont simply stay on the same level.
Ever noticed Boris Becker isnt winning majors anymore???
But he did in the past!!! Tennis must be rigged then!!!

PS: You want people who read your investigation (if you ever grow the balls to finish it!!) to believe you right?? Then you might want to change this:
Your bio still says you play "Holdem MTT 10$-100$, heads up, LH cash"
As we can see from your last 6 years you've played some 10nl.... very poorly. And your avg stake is 0.43, quite different from that $100 LOLOL

You might want to change your bio soon otherwise anybody will immediately see that you are a LIAR


by Rigged_Bigly

At the beginning, I was pleasantly surprised -- my hands generally held up and the play felt realistic. I had a couple strong finishes in the tournaments I played and was running money up in cash games.

Man, hi!

You can see my results in different rooms after a break/the first registration

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

8 of 9 runs - +$ )) It doesn't even apply to simple maths, where the variance never works "to your favor". The variance is something random.
Yes, they try to involve players into gaming. Perfect social behavior 😡

by Rigged_Bigly

I've made maybe 10 $50 deposits, and the money is almost instantly gone. It feels like they have me labelled a frequent depositor and the cards have gotten even worse.

I didn't post it here on 2+2, but on the 28th of March I made a post on Gipsy Team (a comment for those, who think I "invent something" according to a new comments of unsatisfied players) -


Translation from Rus into Eng -

In my opinion, several factors of playing "scheme" influence on the gaming process on a short/long playing distance -

1. The first registration in the room (new account) - on a short distance

2. Change of the game type (you played MTT, moved to cash games. Than, moved to Spin&Go) - on a short distance

3. Pause in gaming (of a week or longer) - on a short distance

4. Number of simultaneously opened tables / rake generating - on a long distance

5. Withdrawing of funds from the room's account - on a long distance, but for players with low number of simultaneously opened tables (for others - I can't know, we should ask regular players under the lie detector, certainly, they won't fairly answer this question. It's senseless to talk about moral ethics, they lie, insult players with no any resposibility for the words. Not even bringing the apologies)

6. Accumulated EV (a real profitablity of player's decisions) - on a short and on an average distance

7. Volume of $ funds won - fact won (bankroll change) - on a short distance (won too much? Reducing of funds from the account will last until bankrol decrease to the level, which complies with the "acceptable" level for this level, taking into account the starting bankrol - according to the software algorithm)

8. A style of playing according to the type of player (in case the player makes small deposits, plays unoptimal - like I did on Red Star Poker - and made it specially. Then this player is recognized by the software like a "gambler" - hazardous player. And this factor influences on his results) - on a long distance

May be I didn't point something out. There are pretty many nuanses.

I state the fact, even knowing players hands (when I got the best hand on the table, and when I don't), I didn't manage to outplay the software on a distance - on a single table. While I was Specially making small deposits, I didn't manage to fight software tries to provoke a new deposit from my account.

Attention - I'm a winning player on 10$ Party Poker and a winning player on 7$ on Pokerstars. But I didn't manage to beat DoN (even DONs!) 1$ of Red Star.

I could also provide one more comment. The chat is huge, it can be hard to find the relevant info -

by Johnmir

I haven't got enough statistics for this, but I suspect that if you play Spin&Go, for example, and get some big multiplier, a chance to earn the biggest prize is critically low.I tested that making small deposits. But I still haven't got enough data to "prove" it. In my opinion, yes, most-likely bankroll amount plays significant role while playing the concrete limit $.The idea

by donjonnie

John tried that but had to switch of the stream after 5 minutes as all his predictions were wrong.

DJ, Nath means a stream of some real gaming. But not a push/fold show off to open opponents hands and to check if I guessed my opponent's hand.

Look at those 7 hands played on the stream.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Do you understand, that when you say "all his predictions were wrong", you simply mislead members. I made 1 decision and 1 mistake, and didn't manage to find quickly other games to play. It's a pure misleading of readers.

What for do you mislead readers, but at the same time you say -

by donjonnie

Ladies and Gentleman the thought process of a professional level poker player.

I was going to go over the rest of your nonsense too but then i remembered you are a lost cause anyway. But yeah you couldn't be further of the mark if you tried.

Are you a politician here on the forum? Or a represantative of some room?

I mean, players just communicate hear and discuss materials about the game. You are like providing some political programme.

by donjonnie

Elliot Ness

Cool, you seem to be aware. Ok )

by donjonnie

yes you do have motivation to scream about it. thats why you screamed about it on here and gypsy team.

Your motivation is your overinflated ego that cant take the bruising of failing at poker.

The question to you -

If some room fools players and is a criminal organization. How should I type about that, so that you wouldn't consider this as a manifestation of my ego?

Or is your point I should just keep silence about the fraud. Are you interested in the fraud to continue? If yes, then why?

by donjonnie

man you are funny!


by Johnmir

DJ, Nath means a stream of some real gaming. But not a push/fold show off to open opponents hands and to check if I guessed my opponent's hand.Look at those 7 hands played on the stream.https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...o...Do you understand, that when you say "all his predictions were wrong", you simply mislead members. I made 1 decision and 1 mistake, and didn'

This is a bullshit lie.
I was the only one watching your stream remember??
I saw what was happening, you predicted every hand wrong.
And nobody told you to only shove, you can play however you want.
At 1 point you did say "because of algorithm villain cant have anything"
Then you openshoved 75bb with 55 and villain called with AA 😃😃😃😃
Quickly after you ended and deleted the stream because you were caught out on a lie.

Now you can post hands of the stream but to which end?? These hands dont involve your on-stream commentary which was wrong 100%.

If it did go well, why did you quickly delete the stream huh??? You are a lying spineless weasel and are accusing others of misleading people, go **** yourself. I never saw donjonnie make a stream to prove his point but quickly delete it when it went to shits.
Finish your research, re-upload your stream and earn some of your right to talk back.

by Johnmir

You have already asked that huge number of times. The same question. The same text.

I am not asking anything, im informing you about a huge lie on your profile 😀
But you did read it huh.... and yet its still there... you havent changed it... you just keep on lying

Why do insist on having the text that you play $100 sng's???

You know your avg buy-in over the last years is 0.43 right.

Go change it then I wont have to inform you about the fact that you are a pathological liar

Here you can look at Johnny's sharkscope and see if it fits his own description of himself:


😃😃😃 this guy knows his stuff, you can clearly see he plays a lot of $100 sng's... GTFO you liar.

Btw when TD says "I'm beginning to wonder if it's just filled with bots, fake accounts, and ChatGPT" he is not just wondering if im a real person you thick twat.

Also, people without special interests dont usually keep on lying about their poker results..
You know like losing at microstakes but claiming they play $100 sng's and are of expert level.


by Slugant

I was the only one watching your stream remember??

by Slugant

Then you openshoved 75bb with 55 and villain called with AA 😃😃😃😃

1. I admit it was crazy 🤐
2. It was the only mistake in the stream
3. Could you, please, explain one more mistake of me there? What else was wrong in questions of predicting?

by Slugant

If it did go well, why did you quickly delete the stream huh??? You are a lying spineless weasel


[😃]

Slugant. I made a stream for Gipsy Team forum.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Zkt6vrtvg&t=11...

Look. I commit two mistakes in a row in the start of the stream, right?

AKo should have been pushed. And AQs should have been folded.

Could you, please, give your version, why didn't I delete this stream too?

by Slugant

Also, people without special interests dont usually keep on lying about their poker results..
You know like losing at microstakes but claiming they play $100 sng's and are of expert level.

Some guy on youtube, under a nickname of "Martin-bu6dx" started to accuse me lying on Gipsy Team forum about my poker career.

"Also, i have read comments on your "algorithm" on russian forum, twoplustwo & youtube. 99% of people strongly disagree with you and say you are lying. About your own poker "career" and the RNG stuff."

Do you know, why it is funny?

Because in real, on Gipsy Team I said -


"Speaking about me, personally, I haven't played offline [almost], I haven't got results there. I have got not too big results in online, but not more then that, because I left to finance [sphere], because I understood, that the software was limiting my profitability in case I play MTT on a single table. Useless to try."

I mean, it's pure fun. People simply go for lying about me, what for?
Or did this guy mean, that I was lying, because I hided some of my huge wins 😃 Since I said on Gipsy Team, that I didn't manage to win much enough online?

Shame!


lmao, he made a new account so he could pat his own shoulder.

What a psycho....well, there's still a chance that all the new rigturds are Monteroy and his buddies.


by Johnmir

Slugant, brb later. But for this phrase -

You have already asked that huge number of times. The same question. The same text.

And TeflonDawg wonders if you are a real person -

Same question here... I'm also a bit confused. Usually, people without special interests don't communicate like that.

You think I'm talking about Slugant??? Jesus Christ you're an idiot


by Johnmir

1. I admit it was crazy
2. It was the only mistake in the stream
3. Could you, please, explain one more mistake of me there? What else was wrong in questions of predicting?

Re-upload the stream and I can go into full detail about every hand, where you got everything wrong.
Every time you said the algorithm means the player has a weak hand they flipped over a strong hand, when you said they had a monster they folded. It was hilarious

If you claim your algorithm is so airtight (you have proven by now even you dont have faith in your algorithm btw) how come you openshoved 55 against AA for 75bb?

Again, if the stream went according to your belief, why did you delete it so quickly afterwards? You were talking up to streaming and predicting the hands correctly for ages. You failed immensely.

by Johnmir

Slugant. I made a stream for Gipsy Team forum.

I have read the gypsy thread. The general consensus there, as is here, is that you are a mental patient.
How do you think bringing up that thread will benefit your story?

by Johnmir

started to accuse me lying on Gipsy Team forum about my poker career.

They are not accusing you of lying. They are showing that you are lying.

On this forum, gypsy forum, pokerstrategy, youtube & to the gaming boards you have introduced yourself as an expert level player.

This is clearly not the case. You are lying.

If even you describe yourself as "Speaking about me, personally, I haven't played offline [almost], I haven't got results there. I have got not too big results in online"
How can you without any shame declare that you are an expert level player?
You do realize that expert level players DO have some results?
And just for your information, having a negative roi at 0.43 stake and losing -25/100 at 10nl is not "a lack of big results"... Its being a huge losing fish at microstakes😉

Even to this day in your 2+2 bio it says you play $100 sng's.
On your youtube video "how to play online poker according to the algorithm" your first sentence is "I'm an expert level poker player and..."
Why dont you feel the need to rectify these statements which are blatant lies?
How are you so comfortable lying about your credentials?
How can anyone trust someone who is so eager so keep on lying about himself without correcting it when its made clear to anybody else?

by Johnmir

People simply go for lying about me, what for?

This is the pot calling the kettle black.
I havent seen people lying about you... I have seen calling you a liar, and idiot and a mental patient... which is all true.
But if you hate people who lie.... maybe start taking a good look at yourself and all the lies you have made about yourself that are present till this day.

by TeflonDawg

You think I'm talking about Slugant??? Jesus Christ you're an idiot

It was clear to everyone you didnt mean me... well, clear to everyone except Johnmir
But zero chance he will rectify that statement since he just loves to be dishonest🙂


by TeflonDawg

You think I'm talking about Slugant??? Jesus Christ you're an idiot

Awesome comment from a guy, who doesn't even understand simple jokes...

Lol, guys. Good thing - is that noone will ever compare, what you type here to real life people, which you represent.

Poker forum is simply a crazy place in some way.

I talk to people, who are zero level at statistics. I don't call them stupid, they do call me stupid again and again. While they are simply useless in the topic of analyzing the data. Still, I listen to your comments, check my data, check my calculations. At the same time - I'm pro.

We discuss poker with players, who do 10%-30% ROI in poker gaming. They keep calling me idiot, while I don't call them idiots. At the same time, advantage of these players in real gaming (even if we consider online poker is a fair game) - is simply negligible. You don't even understand this. Still it's obvious to be a low level of gaming. And my level is not any important here in this contest. 30% ROI - is a poor poker gaming. Let's say - I'm bad. Lol, guys, you are not too far from me then! You do a lauphable ROI. And the most "wise" point to beilive that this ROI is high!

A real life experience shows, that someone, who go for these kind of comments is personally that far primite, so he doesn't even understand, that his point of view can't be the right for sure. So calling someone idiot is more about being stupid yourself. Who else would exclude a chance for a mistake in own statements.

Just interesting, how do you manage to live normally, how do you manage to build relations with other people in a real life?


Well people call you idiot because you make idiotic statements. The lack of self-awareness combined with the arrogance you display make you come across like an idiot.

by Johnmir

Man, hi! You can see my results in different rooms after a break/the first registrationhttps://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...8 of 9 runs - +$ )) It doesn't even apply to simple maths, where the variance never works "to your favor". The variance is something random.Yes, they try to involve players into gaming. Perfect social behavior 😡I didn't

Like this for example. absolute idiotic drivel of a disturbed mind with no substance what so ever.

by Johnmir

DJ, Nath means a stream of some real gaming. But not a push/fold show off to open opponents hands and to check if I guessed my opponent's hand.Look at those 7 hands played on the stream.https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...Do you understand, that when you say "all his predictions were wrong", you simply mislead members. I made 1 decision and

did you make any predictions that were correct?

by Johnmir

Are you a politician here on the forum? Or a represantative of some room?

I mean, players just communicate hear and discuss materials about the game. You are like providing some political programme.

I mentioned before that I do work in online gambling. I do not work for a poker room though. I used to work for Pokerstars for a year or so though.

by Johnmir

Cool, you seem to be aware. Ok )

The question to you -

If some room fools players and is a criminal organization. How should I type about that, so that you wouldn't consider this as a manifestation of my ego?

Or is your point I should just keep silence about the fraud. Are you interested in the fraud to continue? If yes, then why?

Well thats a loaded question as this conspiracy only exists in your mind. So when you are speaking about something that doesn't actually exist as if it does it will always sound weird to people who are not under the spell of the same delusion.

See if i talk about the pink elephant following me around town and you can clearly see there is no pink elephant following me around it doesn't matter all that much how i speak about it. you will rightfully call me crazy.

I have explained to you before what you should do if you seriously believe something is wrong and want to actually have any impact.

You dont want that though. You would just get disproven again and again which your already bruised ego just could not handle.

Thats what this is all about in the end, your ego. You misrepresent yourself as a great player with a lot of experience because you want people to look up to you instead of won on you.

You come in as if you have something to offer and as if you had the authority to be. a teacher.

you are desperate to be treated as the genius you are in your own mind and only in your own mind.

So you made up some conspiracy in which Johmir is actually the best poker player but is getting held back by some shadowy force of evil.

So your goal is already reached you have carefully constructed some weird delusion that protects your ego from reality. Now since its a delusion its obviously fragile and doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

On some level you know that. Thats why you avoid testing it.

Thats why there was only a 5 minute stream and there wont be another. Thats why you refuse to post your "data" in the probability forum thats why you will never put in real volume in live poker.

by Slugant

This is a bullshit lie.I was the only one watching your stream remember??I saw what was happening, you predicted every hand wrong.And nobody told you to only shove, you can play however you want.At 1 point you did say "because of algorithm villain cant have anything"Then you openshoved 75bb with 55 and villain called with AA 😃😃😃😃Quickly after you ended and deleted the strea

John is that true?

So actually it was you again who was misleading. what a ashocker!

by Slugant

I am not asking anything, im informing you about a huge lie on your profile 😀But you did read it huh.... and yet its still there... you havent changed it... you just keep on lyingWhy do insist on having the text that you play $100 sng's???You know your avg buy-in over the last years is 0.43 right.Go change it then I wont have to inform you about the fact that you are a patholo

Can we actually see how many sngs he played at the 60 or 100$ stake. John kept on posting the same screenshot that showed a handful. since he kept on posting that one screenshot i assume those were the only games at that stake he ever payed.

by Slugant

I have read the gypsy thread. The general consensus there, as is here, is that you are a mental patient.
How do you think bringing up that thread will benefit your story?

They are not accusing you of lying. They are showing that you are lying.

On this forum, gypsy forum, pokerstrategy, youtube & to the gaming boards you have introduced yourself as an expert level player.

Is there a pokerstrategy thread too? can you drop a link here. Also please link the gypsy team thread if you have it at your fingertips.


by Johnmir

I talk to people, who are zero level at statistics. I don't call them stupid, they do call me stupid again and again. While they are simply useless in the topic of analyzing the data

Ok, so you dont call them stupid, just useless. In case it matters, you are both.
And people have every right to call you stupid because your poker results are the results of a very very stupid person

by Johnmir

And my level is not any important here in this contest.
Let's say - I'm bad. Lol, guys, you are not too far from me then!

You make your level important by your constant claims that you are an expert poker player.
You are not. You are a fish.
People dont just say you are bad, they show you are bad.
And most guys here, especially the winning ones, are miles away from you.
You are losing -25bb/100 at 10nl and having a negative roi at 0.43.
There are pros here with solid winrates at limits you never played and you think you are near to them?? In your wildest dreams poor delusional Johnny

by Johnmir

Just interesting, how do you manage to live normally, how do you manage to build relations with other people in a real life?

What most normal people do... Just 6 years of 1-tabling microstakes and losing each time. Getting mad and making psycho excel sheets.

by Johnmir

Are you interested in the fraud to continue?

Actually I want all fraud to stop. Thats why I told you numerous times that you are still lying about yourself. You are a proven fraudster and with all the facts in your face you refuse to change it.

Even to this day in your 2+2 bio it says you play $100 sng's.
On your youtube video "how to play online poker according to the algorithm" your first sentence is "I'm an expert level poker player and..."

Why dont you feel the need to rectify these statements which are blatant lies?
How are you so comfortable lying about your credentials?
How can anyone trust someone who is so eager so keep on lying about himself without correcting it when its made clear to anybody else?
And honestly, how can you call out other people when you are the ones lying the most and never rectifying?

Answer these questions Johnny, show your true character (or lack thereof)


by donjonnie

Unfortunately I cant play on wptgold.

I also havent played a nlh cashgame online in many many years but if you have thoughts on sites that are open to euopean players we might be able to set something up.

I have 26k hands at 10NL with a win rate of ~25bb/100 and I say that it's rigged. Where do you want me to send the screenshots for proof. And when can I get my money?


Well, if I you have proof a poker site is rigged, maybe this thread would be a good place?🙂

Tiltboy actually said 10nl on wpt gold was unbeatable and would pay $500 to anyone beating it. So you got $500 there just for showing you've won.. Thats easy money and Tiltboy is of course very trustworthy, he wouldnt bail on his promises right

I do wonder what proof is going to be shown...
Since you have proof its rigged but you beat it 25bb/100... does that mean its rigged in your benefit???
Johnmir also plays rigged games but he hass a lossrate of -25bb/100 🙂 😃


I am not sure why you quoted me and what it is you expect from me. But congrats on running hot for 26k hands.

Good for you!


by Johnmir

Awesome comment from a guy, who doesn't even understand simple jokes...

LMFAO you can attempt to gaslight all you want, the thread is here for all to read and see through your bullshit. You are either a troll being deliberately obtuse in what is now several instances, or you're a complete moron. There's no way around it at this point


by donjonnie

Well people call you idiot because you make idiotic statements. The lack of self-awareness combined with the arrogance you display make you come across like an idiot.

DJ, brb later (I saw other comments of you). But here. I can answer you a bit faster.

Look, I don't think Slugant is an idiot. I'm not used to devide people into "simple" categories.

But he misinterprets crazy number of stuff. Really. But guys don't call him an idiot. Because they simply like, what he is saying.

They call me an idiot, not because I say something stupid. And even not because they disagree with me. They say it, because they don't like my statements.

Now immagine, these guys would call "idiot" everyone, who they meet in a real life, but don't like what he/she says?

They don't do it like that, right? Why?

Because of the responsibility for their words, which will appear sooner or later.

The forum is a pure illustration of that -

If a guy really understands, why he should follow the laws and rules of ethics. Or he just follows it, being under the pressure of the potential resposibility, but doesn't understand why (!) these rules were implemented.

Everyone. Just everyone, who calls me "idiot", "a clown", etc here on the forum

1. Tries to avoid the resposibility for his words
2. Does not understand, why you shouldn't go for this in fact. Why it is wrong.

That is why I say -

by Johnmir

Lol, guys. Good thing - is that noone will ever compare, what you type here to real life people, which you represent.

Do you really understand, that not only me, but other experienced people here, understand, that these guys behave like wild, non-civilized people?

by Slugant

GTFO

I want to stay here. The phrase is really significant.

Slugant, man, you said you were satisfied with your results. You are sure, that the game is fair.

You say to someone (to me), who present materials regarding unfair gaming - "GTFO".

Serious question. What are you doing here? I'm not joking. What for are you staying in this thread?

You are not helping anyone - you insult players, even lie about them.

In fact, I would say it's really strange, moderators don't forbid your participation here. Because you simply try to destroy communication of people regarding fairness of the game. It's obvious.

Is it the unofficial position of 2+2 forum? Good question. I wonder myself. Because this topic is not a joke. It's serious. Real money involved into gaming. It's not a "fun game". Otherwise, we would play for "chips", but not for money.

So what is your reason to participate here? The game is officially "fair and random". You don't need to defend anything.

Why are you here?

Look, you bring some information from Gipsy Team forum. What a turn, because if you read comments about me - it's 14 positive and 17 negative. EVEN inspite of such a "special" topic, that I opened.

You just show some bad comments about me, while the situation is totally different.




Should I post messages of around 10 players who agreed with me on the forum in the thread about iPoker?

Who thanked me for a big work?

You provided a comment of SSI. Do you understand, that he is the one, who was on "my side" from the start of my thread on Gipsy -


SSI also thinks that it's impossible to build online-poker without rigging. It won't work. And he also thinks that all the online-gaming is rigged.

Slugant, you don't even understand, what you are reading... Man )


Brevity is the soul of wit john.

You still seem to be confused as to why you arent welcomed with open arms and everybody drops to their knees in awe.

You are just not that interesting or special. Go over this thread we had all sorts of riggies here over the years.

Of course you will find a few people agreeing with you. Weirdly enough they are all absolutely crushing even while the game is rigged against them and dont have any stats to back up their claims.

You seem to take it very personally when not spoken to in the most polite way yet dont seem to have any issue attacking and belittling others.

Your entire schtick essentially comes down to I am smart and all of you are dumb.

What did you expect?


Never said I'm smarter then others. I said, I'm pro at statistics. But I didn't compare others and myself.

Only several phrases were said by me, after you even not knowing me, decided to claim I'm bad. Then I asked you, "okay, what do you know about the game yourself? If you go for underestimating my personality and my gaming level, while you don't even know me?". And after all the insults, you accidentaly say "you say you are smart and others are dumb".

Rofl, DJ, this is what you started from. Guys said what?

I just published my research, right? The asnwer - "you are a clown", "you are an idiot".
And now you are may be joking... YOU started like that. Not me. You welcomed me with insults and disrespectful comments. Or not?

All my previous critics was regarding style of playing of a huge number of online pros. And this is my real opinion. The most part of online-pro players are not on a high level of poker gaming. And I don't see a problem here. I don't even see a problem that they win. But taking standard +EV decisions to play 10%-30% ROI irrespectively to the situation on the table - is a low level gaming. It's a fact.

You play to earn the money. It's normal. Question - why should you be considered as good poker players? I would like to hear the answer. Can a player with 10%-30% ROI on the average level field call himself a high level player?

In my opinion pro players should demonstrate significantly better results vs amateur players.

But the problem is that many other guys don't get a fair outcome according to their higher leveled gaming. And i'm not one of them. I don't aim to win online. It's not my lifestyle. It doesn't fit me.

And man, I don't understand you here.

Slugant shows several people, who are "against" me. You are silent. I show much more players who support me (rofl, 14 positive vs 17 negative - at least regarding my personality, because Slugant tries to show they consider me as mentally ill). And you say "of course some people will support me".

Lol, Slugant simply desinform 2+2 members, that's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

And, man, I don't actually care if someone support me. I thought I shared some information with guys, which they should be actually interested in. I'm not a pro player, nor someone who dreams about attention. I work in a different sphere.

I don't expect anyone to "welcome me with open arms". But insulting is slightly different. May be? What do you think?

And, by the way. DJ. If you knew what is this (it was like that on the Russian poker forum in the start!) when almost everyone is against you, insulting you, belitteling even there, where you a pro (data analysis), but you asnwer carefully without aggression and with no insults, you would change your views. Believe me, it necessary to improve yourself pretty much, to keep your own line in these circumstances.

I don't take all this as personal, as many other people would, being on my place.

And all this you started, cause your ego can't even stand a phrase in the start of the message "I'm an expert level player" coming from another man.

In fact, it's a special shame outside this forum to discuss "I uploaded my materials, presenting myself as a high level player. and a risk analyst. And these guys, instead of watching the data, kept discussing that phrase, as it would be the key stuff of the topic."
This reaction is chilrdish.


by Johnmir

But he misinterprets crazy number of stuff. Really. But guys don't call him an idiot. Because they simply like, what he is saying.

They call me an idiot, not because I say something stupid. And even not because they disagree with me. They say it, because they don't like my statements.

Wrong, they call you an idiot and a liar because you claim to be of expert level yet you cant beat 10nl and microstakes sng's. You are a fish that is thinking he is an expert (idiot) or makes up that he is an expert (liar).
You choose

by Johnmir

If a guy really understands, why he should follow the laws and rules of ethics

Funny you should bring up ethics. I think lying about your whole (poker) existence is unethical.
Saying you are an expert player with 6 years straight losing at the micros is unethical.

by Johnmir

Look, you bring some information from Gipsy Team forum. What a turn, because if you read comments about me - it's 14 positive and 17 negative.

Have you read the "postive ones"?? Do you really not understand irony.
Just pick this one:
"A man of honest fate persecuted by the inquistion. They didnt believe in the hellocentric theory either"

Do you honestly not get that he is making fun of you??? This isnt positive, he is mocking you. And rightfully so. This just further shows how much of an idiot you are.

"Giordano Bruno of our time"
Do you honestly think this guy is saying you are a great philosopher??? You must be even more stupid than thought imaginable.

Just read the thread, there is absolutely zero consensus you have proven anything or are right in any way shape or form.

By your name we can see a downvote/upvote rating...
You are on -647.... Yeah they really love you over there 🙂
There is 1 guy worse on -1348 and thats exactly the guy you quoted.
Stupid minds think alike 😉

I for one think its really unethical to lie and say that you are well loved and respected on a forum even though your rating is -647

by Johnmir

I want to stay here. The phrase is really significant.

Instead of quoting 4 letters and call it a phrase, maybe quote the whole thing and answer it. It would be unethical to show an unfinished investigation and claim it as truth:

Try again, the total text was:
It could be interesting though?? Its essential for the whole point.
But if you wanna go offline be my guest, you can leave, nobody is stopping you.
But if you are not willing to put the effort in, dont chime in with your "proven theory"
Its not, you have not even half the work.
All you did was lose, for 6 years. But playing a year multitabling and actually winning money is too much work??? GTFO, you must know you are telling awful lies as well. You know you cant win, whatever you try.
Saying you can but not doing so is very unethical.

And staying on the topic of ethics. All your online profiles still contain many many lies.
It makes you an untrustworthy person... and a very unethical one.

So dont ignore these question, show some spine and answer these questions. I have no problem repeating them until we how you can live with all your lies:

Even to this day in your 2+2 bio it says you play $100 sng's.
On your youtube video "how to play online poker according to the algorithm" your first sentence is "I'm an expert level poker player and..."
On 2+2, pokerstrategy, youtube & gypsy you claim you are an expert or professional level player...

Why dont you feel the need to rectify these statements which are BLATANT PROVEN LIES?
How are you so comfortable lying about your credentials?
How can anyone trust someone who is so eager so keep on lying about himself without correcting it when its made clear to anybody else?
And honestly, how can you call out other people when you are the one shamelessly lying the most and never rectifying?

Answer these questions Johnny, show your true character (or lack thereof).
Dont be unethical and ignore them just to keep your lying charade

by Johnmir

In my opinion pro players should demonstrate significantly better results vs amateur players.

In my opinion a pro player doesnt have -25b/100 at 10nl and a negative roi at stake 0.43 😉
But then to lie and say you are of that level and play $100 is just unethical.

by Johnmir

And all this you started, cause your ego can't even stand a phrase in the start of the message "I'm an expert level player" coming from another man.

Completely wrong.. as usual. Nobody's ego is in danger, except yours. Nobody is feeling the need to lie about themselves as much as you do.
You are always claiming you cant stand liars. Well, you are lying about being an expert level player.
And yes you get called out on it. Not because of anybody's ego, because you refuse to rectify you blatant unethical lies.
Because you are a fish. With fish results.
How can someone's ego even get dented by a remark from a microstakes loser like you.. impossible.
If someone who actually is a pro poker player says he is an expert level player you wont hear a peep out of anybody.
But if some mentally ill loser thinks he might be on par with Linus people will ridicule you.. because its ridiculous. You are a ridiculous excuse of a man Johnny.

by Johnmir

This reaction is chilrdish.

I think a grown man who is playing the absolute microstakes and LOSING but pretending on the internet he is some expert is childish.
But then to keep on lying and never rectifying those lies just shows how unethical and shameless you are


by Johnmir

This reaction is childish.

The least childish piece of advice I can give you is to quit poker, because it is leading you to or exacerbating your mental illness. You have fallen into a line of schizophrenic, conspiratorial thinking, and it's not good for your well-being.

You don't seem likely to do that, though, so if you want serious advice on how to win at poker, start rebuilding your game from the ground up. You pointedly avoid strategy discussions, and on the rare occasions you do post decisions you make in game, they are pretty bad ones. Based on what I've seen of those, it is far more likely you lose due to your bad decisions than anything else.

You don't seem likely to do that either, though, so I guess as long as you want to keep entertaining us, feel free.

Here's a sample of the reviews of your posting on that Russian site, BTW. Note even the positive one is calling your posts "a good laugh."



by Johnmir

Never said I'm smarter then others. I said, I'm pro at statistics. But I didn't compare others and myself. Only several phrases were said by me, after you even not knowing me, decided to claim I'm bad. Then I asked you, "okay, what do you know about the game yourself? If you go for underestimating my personality and my gaming level, while you don't even know me?". And after all

I have only skimmed this post. What did i tell you about brevity?

Since you seem to be weirdly not aware of how you come across or how other people communicate I will spell it out real simple.

You are not only coming across as incredibly arrogant but also rude.

When you come into a poker forum and claim that you have found a rig that would be unbelievably obvious and that all of modern poker theory is a sham this is offensive to people who have studied and contributed to modern poker theory.

In a similar vain if i was to walk into a tennis club and state that i am about as good as roger federer but its impossible to tell as all tennis is rigged people would laugh at me and call me an idiot.

I have by the way started reading the gypsy team thread. just like here nobody beside some crazies are on your side. People actually engage with you at least some of them and poke gaping holes in your theory. those people you ignore.

I also saw some of the screenshots from that telegram group you got banned from for spamming. You are angry about bad beats in 0.2$ tournaments and describe how you played normally so stop the nonsense with your results are just from testing. you tried to beat 20 cent sngs and failed.

If you behave like a clown people will call you a clown.


by Slugant

Have you read the "postive ones"?? Do you really not understand irony.Just pick this one:"A man of honest fate persecuted by the inquistion. They didnt believe in the hellocentric theory either"Do you honestly not get that he is making fun of you??? This isnt positive, he is mocking you. And rightfully so. This just further shows how much of an idiot you are."Giordano Bruno of

by nath

Here's a sample of the reviews of your posting on that Russian site, BTW. Note even the positive one is calling your posts "a good laugh."

Guys! Haha!!

To be fair, I can't believe you you went for this. It's a pure fun.

Slugant posted only negative comments about me.

I posted both positive and negative.

And now you try to disprove positive comments about me, hahah!

Just type in the chat, please -

"WE SUPPORT THE FRAUD IN ONLINE POKER"

😃 Guys??

Okay, serious answers to Nath.

by nath

because it is leading you to or exacerbating your mental illness. You have fallen into a line of schizophrenic, conspiratorial thinking, and it's not good for your well-being.

Nath, I will seriously start to think about the "mental illness danger" )) only after at least some of hunders of people, who know me personally in real life, in sport, in finance, in education and many others suggest me to talk with a psyhologist. At the moment, I have got totally different responses about me in real life. Even among my pupils (tennis), where I work with successful people, who expect their progress in a short time.

At the moment, this kind of comments only come from poker players, who disagree with my statements regarding rigging of the game. Of course they are all pro in statistics and understand my materials perfectly ))

Look, regarding conspiratorial thinking.

Nath, online poker gaming is a relatively small sphere of acitvities.
When you say something about "conspiracy theories" about discussing a scam in online gambling. It sounds for me... I don't know. Man, it's just a usual online fraud. This is a simple braking of laws by some organizations. It's just a part of a real life. How do you discuss politics and international relations, if your point is that a standard rigging in poker-gaming is some "misterious huge fooling of collaborating monsters" ))

by nath

The least childish piece of advice I can give you is to quit poker

In 2020 I decided to stop playing any significant limits, because it's senseless to play a rigged game, if you are not aiming to earn money for living this way.

What for? It's not intersting to play a rigged game for me (!).

by nath

so if you want serious advice on how to win at poker, start rebuilding your game from the ground up.

Good advice. Thank you, and I'm serious here.
But it has been already done, Nath. And it directly comes from our discussions.
It's important, if you do understand, that I don't play 20$+ tournaments the same way, as I played 0.2$ to check hands of my opponents and to gather statistics for proofs.
But I think you understand this, your reactions complies with it.

by nath

You pointedly avoid strategy discussions

Nath, I'm concentrated on a key topic!

A FAIRNESS of the game (sorry for caps, but the ropic is too important, really))

And why do I avoid it? I take part in discussions with pleasure!!

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by Johnmir

Yes, I agree with Waddy's statement.1. Online pros do not take into account dynamics on the table, even though it’s critically important (the fact, that many of you play poker and chat at the same time, says a lot about how you play, that you simply don’t pay attention to important details in game)2. Many of online MTT pros are waiting for a higher blinds and pushin

Is it possible to contribute more into the discussions of strategy? ))

I say "guys, if you don't check your BB won/per bluff and your % of went for a bluff", you can't know if you played well, because all the pro playing is based on bluffing. And, at the same time, you can't check, if you bluffed well, because it is totally based on understanding of a fold equity, and it is always different according to different types of player/stages of tournament/dynamics on the table. You can't check it, just watching starting hands in positions and other stuff.

I say "guys, the final table is the most valuable part of a tournament in question of the final ROI collected". And if you don't compare your starting ICM share on the final table with the EV ICM $ after you finished the tournament - you can't know, if you played well the key stage of the tournament. A lot of nuances are hidden on the final table. People seriously change their tactics closer to huge prizes. And you can't know if you played it well with analysis of a "standard" statistics that you have in poker trackers.

Man, I don't avoid! I discuss! Wow!

Seriously, I think guys will have to work a lot in a fair game. I'm afraid, that many of them will have to

by nath

start rebuilding your game from the ground up.

once, they stop getting a salary from the rooms for participating in games

by nath

Based on what I've seen of those, it is far more likely you lose due to your bad decisions than anything else

If you consider the game to be random. Yes, those desicions are critically irrational in a random game. Would be strange, if I argued with this.
But, Nath, it's not like I'm worried about losing micros. I lost 100 bucks there! )) Yes, if I start playing rational, I will certainly get 20%-30% lauphable ROI. Cool. I refused this in 2008 to live a more interesting life. Because I came to online-poker to earn money fastly, which I would spend on modification of my car to participate in motor-sport. And I realyzed that my ROI was limited by the software. So, no motor-sport? What for will I play a rigged game then?

But it's me! I can understand guys, who keep participating. It's their life, their interests!

by nath

You don't seem likely to do that either, though, so I guess as long as you want to keep entertaining us, feel free.

I like today's tries to disprove positive comments about me on Gipsy forum too! ))

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