Israel/Palestine thread

Live in absolute denial and then call people bad faith liars or low IQ.

Incredible.

man every single horrible person on my twitter feed, and every single politician i hate in my country (both determinations that happened years ago) is pro pal.

People i know for a certainty to be actual monsters (for my morals ofc), like pro lockdown people, all pro pal.

It's like flat-earthism at this point, the worst people in society select themselves on the propal issue with a spectacular degree of accuracy.

Half the people with palestinian flags on italian twitter have the hammer and sickle as well. 90-95% of them hate ukraine as well.

When everyone you detest for a lot of reasons comes up in agreement for something, there is no better proof that that something is completly, utterly wrong.

hes not making a fact based argument. it pure ideology. to square the circle he needs to believe that everything Israel says is true and the terrabytes of video from Palestine is all fake.

This is a popular talking point but 2 years into the war Hamas doesn’t seem to be gaining any strength. They’ve lost all of their allies and all of their experienced commanders. People have been swearing up and down that Israel’s actions are just a recruitment drive for Hamas and will make them stronger but that hasn’t been the case. The so called Axis of Resistance has been doing very little resisting.

You won’t get a straight answer and you already know full well why they do it.

It's fact based: radical leftists lie everytime about stuff i can assess myself, They are proven liars in bad faith. Radical leftists all become pro pal, their sources , like every source they use for every other topic where i know how to assess sources (economics mainly), will necessarily be as bad: complete fabrications.

It's a fact based assessment of the quality of sources. Based on a proven history of lies and manipulation on topics where i have the skill and proficiency to determine who is lying and how.

except he did get a straight answer from 2 people no less.

you still havent articulated why you have such a problem with it. you can only hint that the screenshot is somehow fake or a misrepresentation without actually saying it as is typical of cowards.

from someone whose worldview comes from his perception of how happy his nonna was, lol at his lie-detector skills

rants about far leftists and then says its not ideological. makes sense.

Sure except that Israel is unifying left AND right. Not just the ''radical leftists''.

It isn't. The parts of the right that are anti Israel are those i detest. Again, infallible detector. Like you are on the right and super-pro tariffs (which are against the basic values of rightwing libertarianism) magically... very very often you are anti-Israel.

On immigration, the right which is against *skilled immigration* (a very stupid, indefensible position) is very often anti-Israel.

The theocratic, christian nationalist ultra-minorities are... anti Israel.

See? the worst of the worst of the right does join all the radical left in being anti-Israel.

And btw it's usually people who were explicit antisemites even before Israel rightfully defended itself after the massacres of 7 10.

The low tax, low regulation, pro free trade, pro capitalism (no lump of labor fallacy, no "wall street v main street"), "pax americana", western supremacist right, the Friedman right, my side, is invariably always pro Israel.

I don't know what your values are exactly, but i don't think you would feel fine knowing you are on the same side of Fuentes and Candace Owens about anything, especially if you end up believing the same sources they do.

In the short term yes, however in the long term Israel's actions will be remembered, and sadly will more than likely just produce another batch of hate filled extremists at some point in the not too distant future.

None of which actually show anything they purport to show. Almost 2 years in and you have yet to show a single video (unless it was Hamas/Palestinians doing the violence) anything like the straight up murders coming out of Syria.

It all depends on who is writing the history and what people want to hear.

Muhamad is said to have raped, enslaved and genocided entire tribes (mostly Jews, talk about time being a flat circle) and is regarded by 1/4 of the world as the greatest human who ever lived. The perfect man.

The Mongols killed so much of humanity at the time, it temporarily affected CO2 levels in the atmosphere that can still be measured now. Now, no one really cares.

Right now, there is a (mostly bad faith) moral panic that hyper focuses on Israel while agnostic about what is going on in the rest of the world. Who knows what people in the future will care about, who will be telling the stories, or what stories they will tell?

The way demographic replacement and religious radicalization is going, and Western elites facilitating this; it seems likely Western civilization itself will eventually fall to Islamism, and places like Israel, Britain and France will just be regarded as conquered trophies of the Muslim world, like the Middle East and North Africa today.

But neither you or I know whether this is exactly how it will ultimately play out. I am currently re-reading (well technically listening on audiobook) The Foundation series, and I assure you none of us are Hari Seldon.

I understand how context works. Horrible events like the killing of the girl by the IDF seems to give you the pleasure of typing 'genocide for fun and profit' for the gazillioneth time.

Maybe you could save time and effort by just making that your signature.

Except Hamas probably won't even exist in two years.

They signed their own death certificate (literally and figuratively) on 10/7.

Along with the hatred towards Israel?

Will that go too now? Dies with Hamas?

Here in California, we typically have several referendums (we call them Propositions) on our ballots.

One can usually make the 'correct' decision based on who sponsors and/or advocates a proposition and who opposes it.

If this actually does happen, it is only because Netanyahu was so willing to resist the rest of the world, and Trump being elected President giving him space to work.

There was nothing inevitable about Hamas being so weakened and potentially destroyed in response to 10/7.

If not for the confluence of Netanyahu and Trump, Israel probably just responds with something relatively minor, there is hostage for prisoner exchanges spread over decades, and everything just goes back to the pre 10/7 status quo (including Syria and Lebanon remaining firmly in Iran's sphere of influence).

I would say the confluence of Sinwar's over-reach, Netanyahu's determination, and Trump being elected allowed for a Black Swan event of the Middle East being re-shaped (to use a term popularized by a famous Hamas sycophant) that was extremely unlikely and unpredictable.

I know for ideological reasons most of you dont like to give Israel credit for anything. But another big part of what happened that was not predictable, was just how effective Israel would be militarily in the Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Gaza theaters. The IAF doing all it did, including against a so called peer nation in Iran, without losing a single jet is pretty wild. The US lost 2 jets from accidents in a limited engagement against just the Houthis.

Not at all. Hamas will be replaced by yet another hate group.

Yep. Just see who the Teachers Union* backs, and take the other side.

*Note: I am not saying anything bad about teachers, either individuals or as an occupation. But the California Teachers Union itself is a radical far left interest group, that does nothing for teachers, and instead advocates for bad policies and politicians across pretty much all political domains.

You are probably right, and that's why palestinians have to be moved away from Israel border right?

You say that as though your winning an argument israel will easily win military engagements for years. That's not in dispute so you're not proving anyhting. They have amssive military superiority and it's the very easy bit. Then what?

Anti-israel sentiment (and anti-semitism) are going through the roof while norms on collective punishment are being destroyed. You may dismiss it and maybe somehow it wont matter but it's potentially catastrophic.