Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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If Israel had accepted and welcomed the existence and rights of Palestinians there would be no Hamas. Don’t confuse action with reaction.
I understand how context works. Horrible events like the killing of the girl by the IDF seems to give you the pleasure of typing 'genocide for fun and profit' for the gazillioneth time.
Maybe you could save time and effort by just making that your signature.
this is a typical criticism from the genocide apologists.
it goes along with that saying "every accusation is a confession." its the genocidal Israeli Supremacist rapists that blowing up children and raping prisoners to death for fun and profit.
If Israel had accepted and welcomed the existence and rights of Palestinians there would be no Hamas. Don’t confuse action with reaction.
Doesn't mean it is a good reaction, or should be supported or even tolerated.
Hamas is a backwards theocratic reactionary movement. There are similar reactionary theocratic movements spreading across Europe, for similar reasons (just a different religion), which I know you dont support.
A supporter of a right wing European theocratic movement would argue if Europe just hadn't opened the flood gates to unwanted, unvetted 3rd world immigration, there would be no reactionary right.
Hamas is a reactionary movement formed in reaction to sustained hostility and genocidal behaviour from Israel.
how many palestinians were gang raped or killed by Israel in the 10 years before Hamas was formed?
at least 10s of thousands if not 100s.
just as the zillionth example of rabid, perversive, inexcusable antisemitism... a palestinian woman was flown into italy to be cured.She died soon after reaching italy.All leftist sources (in italy and elsewhere) titled "palestinian died of malnutrition in Italy". She had advanced, severe leukemia.That's it basically. That's how it goes for every single piece of "information" a
oh and btw I guess the doctors at Pisa Hospital are far right pro-Palestine Marxist antifa super soldiers so they are lying about the women that your favorite Supremacists starved to death.
I don’t think hatred towards Israel is going anywhere. Israel’s independence prompted all the surrounding nations to try to genocide the population with almost no pushback from the rest of the world.
What can be changed is Hamas’ and future genocidal terrorist organization’s ability to fortify and rearm right on Israe’s border. It seems like it may be a long time until that’s the case again.
oh and btw I guess the doctors at Pisa Hospital are far right pro-Palestine Marxist antifa super soldiers so they are lying about the women that your favorite Supremacists starved to death.
the things you are reading about what those doctors purportedly said aren't what they actually said, italian prohamas media has invented those declarations.
That's the level of discourse we have to deal with.
Btw it's 1 woman, and her mother was with her, and she if puffy and not slim at all in the photo when the ambulance took the daughter, thus completly disproving any notion that that family could possibly have been starving recently.
You say that as though your winning an argument israel will easily win military engagements for years. That's not in dispute so you're not proving anyhting. They have amssive military superiority and it's the very easy bit. Then what?Anti-israel sentiment (and anti-semitism) are going through the roof while norms on collective punishment are being destroyed. You may dismiss it
I get that you don’t like these comments because they counter the singular argument you’ve been posting in here, but the reality is it was never a simple walk in the park for Israel. The Axis of Resistance intended to do much more damage than they did, and the fact that they were thwarted so easily can’t be completely explained by sheer military superiority.
The pager attack on Hezbollah is probably the single most impressive military op in recent history. Your insistence on downplaying its effectiveness and the amount of planning and set up it must have took is a bit puzzling. I don’t think even the US with all the military superiority in the world could have pulled that one off. The Israelis have clearly been a step ahead of their enemies in many ways, not just military strength.
this is a typical criticism from the genocide apologists.
it goes along with that saying "every accusation is a confession." its the genocidal Israeli Supremacist rapists that blowing up children and raping prisoners to death for fun and profit.
Except I have agreed with you for some time that Israel is committing genocide and that it is a moral atrocity.
Please remember that if nothing else we both agree on this core point.
how many palestinians were gang raped or killed by Israel in the 10 years before Hamas was formed?
You’re a gross person.
Meanwhile there are reports of hundreds of Asian workers being sexually assaulted in Israel.
There’s additional context like the Israelis have a policy requiring all buildings to have bomb shelters, undoubtedly influenced by years of being victimized by terrorist attacks. The surrounding nations, surprisingly, have no such policies. I wouldn’t really attribute that to any sort of military superiority.
You’re a gross person.
Meanwhile there are reports of hundreds of Asian workers being sexually assaulted in Israel.
Hamas indiscriminately killed and captured 60 Thai migrant workers on October 7th and you don’t give a ****.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/03/asia...
Spare us your disgusting crocodile tears.
You’re a gross person.
Meanwhile there are reports of hundreds of Asian workers being sexually assaulted in Israel.
rape country
Hamas indiscriminately killed and captured 60 Thai migrant workers on October 7th and you don’t give a ****.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/03/asia...
Spare us your disgusting crocodile tears.
First I've heard of it, but if Hamas had avoided Thai workers because they looked non-Jewish in favour of others who were more likely Jewish that would be anti-Semitic. That Hamas took South East Asians is evidence of October 7th not being an attack on Jewish people.
You're a mass of contradictions, as is usually the case with people fond of defending war criminals representing genocidal regimes.
I realise this is all probably too complex for you so the tl;dr is, as usual, you're an idiot.
There’s additional context like the Israelis have a policy requiring all buildings to have bomb shelters, undoubtedly influenced by years of being victimized by terrorist attacks. The surrounding nations, surprisingly, have no such policies. I wouldn’t really attribute that to any sort of military superiority.
What rubbish.
"The bulletproof jackets worn by the UK Army when it was in Northern Ireland, in contrast with the civilians, is proof of the disproportionate violence committed against them".
First I've heard of it, but if Hamas had avoided Thai workers because they looked non-Jewish in favour of others who were more likely Jewish that would be anti-Semitic. That Hamas took South East Asians is evidence of October 7th not being an attack on Jewish people.You're a mass of contradictions, as is usually the case with people fond of defending war criminals representing
Just shows how much of ideologically reinforcing complete disinformation bubble leftists live in, that someone who has spent so many uncountable hours over the last 2 years obsessing over this conflict doesn’t know basic information about 10/7 that doesn’t confirm their biases.
Also, much of the senseless murders and kidnappings like all the Thai workers we’re done not by Hamas, but by thousands of “Gaza civilians” who came along to pillage, loot, kidnap, rape and murder; with no clear political reason for doing
And everyone wonders why Egypt can’t make the walls separating themselves from Gaza high enough or thick enough.
Gaza was, and still is, A very radicalized society with little hope for functional social relations with any of its neighbors absent a strong commitment to de-radicalization.
“Anyone who objects will be presented as "wanting Gazans to suffer." You listening, 2+2?
Hamas is free to return the hostages at any time. Whenever they do, the Israeli govt will immediately lose its leverage to continue carrying out such a plan.
Would work even better in thwarting Israel if Hamas and other militant groups pledged to disarm in favor of international peacekeepers.
Would work even better to hasten the ethnic cleaning programme with Palestinians deported to South Sudan or suchlike, sure.
