Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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thats only a small part of the non-violent resistance they engage in. but merely just existing and not bowing to the genocidal superiority of Israelis like Blue is an affront to the Jewish Supremacists.this is yet another idea where Lucim is at least consistent and honest. his position is that the Palestinians can leave or die. thats the same position as Blue, and Bibi, and
they could even be allowed to return (and given some housing as well) after extensive vetting to guarantee only secular, pro western people are allowed there. But certainly anyone with any history of hating Israel (or worse) should be persona non grata.
I mean I've literally seen multiple pov videos showing exactly that lol? Are we now also denying that?
I'll never be pro death cults.
a few war crimes may have been committed by Hamas. unfortunately there hasnt been any investigation and there never will be due to Israel blocking it and destroying all evidence so they could put out absurd lies.
but from the information available, the vast majority of people killed were not innocent and/or were killed by Israel.
so you have to let the 14y old throw rocks while adults prepare to snipe you? is that your strategy? after one occurrence of them using kids in front to prepar a serious attack behind, would you agree in the future to start shooting at the first sign of violence?
or the idea is "poor kid" and let your soldiers die?
A lot of the anti-Israel argument does boil down to wanting Israel to allow more of their own people to die to balance Palestinian deaths and assuage their egos and dignity.
Very much a social justice equity worldview. Similar to how the criminal justice reform crowd wants criminals to do better killing police officers.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
all Israeli claims should be taken as complete fabrications after the mass rape hoax and the beheaded babies hoax and the burning alive hoax until they are thoroughly corroborated by multiple independent sources.
its pretty telling that you are so sure this happened as described
anyway, Oct 7th was almost 2 years ago. its pretty insane not to be super pro Hamas right now.
I was about to answer this peacefully but you are a total fkn joke with that statement,
If you don't see why, stop posting.
I was about to answer this peacefully but you are a total fkn joke with that statement,
If you don't see why, stop posting.
You're just figuring this out now?
Maybe we can answer this with an example.Is it right or wrong to shoot at and kill Palestinian women and children who are in line at aid trucks?Luciom thinks it's right. Morally acceptable because Hamas started this war and still has hostages. If anything the IDF is engaging in a moral endeavor we should support in full until Hamas surrenders unconditionally. Luciom believes th
Excellent question! How one would answer that would depend on their metaphysical assumptions about moral claims.
For example, an adherent to so-called Emotivism (e.g. A. J. Ayer in his Language, Truth and Logic) would argue that moral claims aren't cognitively meaningful, so for him the answer is 'neither'.
An adherent of Rule Utilitarianism would almost certainly hold the act to be morally wrong.
An adherent of Moral Pragmatism would probably argue that the act was morally wrong. Other Moral Pragmatists might argue that the act would be morally permissible if the act would likely result in fewer net deaths overall if such an act helped to end the war quicker.
For the record, I believe the act to be morally wrong based on the standard of righteousness set forth in the Holy Bible, specifically in the teachings of Jesus Christ himself.
On a website for beer-swilling degenerate gamblers, it's amusing you think you carry so much weight that a one word dismissal will be persuasive.
I cant even point out Israel and Palestine on a globe
why do people care about these shithole countries?
so you have to let the 14y old throw rocks while adults prepare to snipe you? is that your strategy? after one occurrence of them using kids in front to prepar a serious attack behind, would you agree in the future to start shooting at the first sign of violence?
or the idea is "poor kid" and let your soldiers die?
Look we can keep going back and forth but I'll never agree that we should start shooting at the first sign of violence. I'll never agree to shoot someone who throws rocks.
Genuinely can't believe we've reached a point in life where people justify this nonsense.
In before ''so in your world terrorists should be allowed to kill Jews''.
A lot of the anti-Israel argument does boil down to wanting Israel to allow more of their own people to die to balance Palestinian deaths and assuage their egos and dignity.
Very much a social justice equity worldview. Similar to how the criminal justice reform crowd wants criminals to do better killing police officers.
Not sure which Anti-Israel crowd you surround yourself with but I'm pretty sure most just want less death overall, not more.
Excellent question! How one would answer that would depend on their metaphysical assumptions about moral claims.For example, an adherent to so-called Emotivism (e.g. A. J. Ayer in his Language, Truth and Logic) would argue that moral claims aren't cognitively meaningful, so for him the answer is 'neither'.An adherent of Rule Utilitarianism would almost certainly hold the act t
Amen brother and God bless.
I was about to answer this peacefully but you are a total fkn joke with that statement,
If you don't see why, stop posting.
This is why despite the negligible amount of respect I hold for Luciom, it's still infinitely more than I have for liberals.
These guys correctly recognize the obvious genocide, but they oppose the only group actually fighting against it.
For the record, I believe the act to be morally wrong based on the standard of righteousness set forth in the Holy Bible, specifically in the teachings of Jesus Christ himself.
Well, at least until Allah sends Jesus back to Earth to break the cross and usher in the end times.
"The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).
The Palestinians sure are lucky they have had far left activists like yourself fighting on their side the last 60 years.
Im not fighting on their side. in fact, I am complicit in their genocide. almost as much as the Israeli citizens. very few Westerners (and all others for that matter) are actually working towards stopping this. the Houthis and Palestine Action for two.
Im not fighting on their side. in fact, I am complicit in their genocide. almost as much as the Israeli citizens. very few Westerners (and all others for that matter) are actually working towards stopping this. the Houthis and Palestine Action for two.
At least you admit that my accusations that you’re too much of an actual soft western pussy who enjoys the west too much to ever leave it are valid. Once again I’m calling on you to deport yourself to Lebanon or Gaza and join the le epic terrorist orgs that you celebrate so much on here.
all Israeli claims should be taken as complete fabrications after the mass rape hoax and the beheaded babies hoax and the burning alive hoax until they are thoroughly corroborated by multiple independent sources.
and then you wonder why so many people don’t believe the hoaxes coming out of the Gaza Health Ministry, Amnesty International, and other orgs complicit in spreading Hamas propaganda and blood libel.
you people are the biggest scumbag hypocrite virtue signalers in the world.
but from the information available, the vast majority of people killed were not innocent and/or were killed by Israel.
I don't think this is correct. When you plump for a particular partisan position you can (and usually do) end up deceiving yourself to make reality conform to your preference.
it shouldnt be forgotten or diminished how often the Palestinians attempted non-violent resistance.
Not sure about non-violent resistance -- there isn't much of a Gandhi or MLK tradition round those parts. But, as Bill earlier copied, the PLO, the PA and even Hamas have repeatedly offered a two-state peace deal, and the Israelis, with US diplomatic collusion, have always nixed it, because Israeli policy is quite overtly to forbid any Palestinian state. They believe it would be hostile, which it might (and whose fault is that?), but they are arguably projecting their own irreducible, paranoid ethnic and racial hostility on to the Palestinians. Oddly, Western states keep touting the Aladdin's lamp of a 'two-state solution' when they must know that Israel will never permit this except at gunpoint.
Look we can keep going back and forth but I'll never agree that we should start shooting at the first sign of violence. I'll never agree to shoot someone who throws rocks. Genuinely can't believe we've reached a point in life where people justify this nonsense. In before ''so in your world terrorists should be allowed to kill Jews''. Not sure which Anti-Israel crowd you surroun
THIS!!!
At least you admit that my accusations that you’re too much of an actual soft western pussy who enjoys the west too much to ever leave it are valid. Once again I’m calling on you to deport yourself to Lebanon or Gaza and join the le epic terrorist orgs that you celebrate so much on here.
Why don't you leave the US and go to the Ukraine to join their volunteers fighting Russian soldiers? Try to be a bit less of a wanker.
You remind me of Joffrey constantly having to remind the world he's king. Keep reminding yourself you're ''educated''. You've responded 4 times and the best you've come up with is a screenshot showing Hamas leaders dead. Very informed and educated indeed! 0 answers as to how methodical Israel really is whilst turning all of Gaza into ruins and killing tens of thousands innocent
I originally simply asked you to explain your rationale for claiming Israel is a money sink. You’ve now been deflecting for multiple posts while offering nothing substantial. You’re a waste of time.
Look we can keep going back and forth but I'll never agree that we should start shooting at the first sign of violence. I'll never agree to shoot someone who throws rocks.
Genuinely can't believe we've reached a point in life where people justify this nonsense.
In before ''so in your world terrorists should be allowed to kill Jews''.
I don't think you are a rabid antisemite like victors or others. I think you are a victim of propaganda though.
If you can't understand how the normal civic common sense rules you would apply to, say, a law enforcement problem in Zurich don't work with an entire population that has 60% of the people who want your country dead, it's hard to explain.
I don't know how many "poor women in distress" soldiers should cater to, and then explode with them (which went on for many years with the palestinians), before shooting the women in distress. But the answer is "not too many"
