Israel/Palestine thread

That happens, what doesn't usually happens if for the UN to fund them more than any other human groups since the UN existed per capita, by a large margin.

Given that disproportionate, record breaking amount of cash the world is giving them, justifying their violence and terror is particularly indefensible. They got an order of magnitude more per capita than what everyone else since the UN existed got, they just be THANKFUL and use that to achieve a well being they would be incapable to achieve by themselves while never resorting to any form of violence.

It's disgusting how ungrateful those people are, and we should permanently cut all aid to them and sanctions countries that aid them as sponsors of terror.

A decent amount as well, and we have all reasons to believe Israeli are very thankful for that.

Ofc Israel existing is useful for the USA for many more reasons than the actually quite insignificant "palestinian question", i hope you realize that. It's an investment in having a western outpost in the area for the USA.

Israeli intelligence has been invaluable for americans for decades and so on.

Those are allies that you invest on to gain from, someone could think americans didn't get their money worth out of the investment, others can think they got a good return on their investment, but that has nothing to do with charity. Egypt, Pakistan and others got american money as well. Every instance has to be judged on the american taxpayer benefit of that.

Palestinians have been on the receiving end of actual charity, money thrown out of the window with nothing in return, just to let them live , thrive and multiply. And the more they multiplied the more money they wanted ofc (that's why you should never give charity to high fertility rate countries, but i digress)

Right so you don’t actually have an answer as to what they should’ve done. Just like I didn’t.

This is going well buddy.

Other than being an outpost for the USA(lol). What other useful benefits do we get?

Yes, the Western world as a whole has been sending a lot of aid towards areas it should’ve never sent aid to and Israel is certainly on that list.

Jal is stupid and dishonest. He will never answer you directly and he has no idea what he is talking about.

He is not entirely wrong in describing the Palestinian narrative (although of course he describes it inaccurately and shallowly), and there is certainly justice in their frustration with the ongoing situation.

He is "just" ignoring the fact that the same reality that led to the radicalization of their population is also true for Israel. That there is truly a bilateral conflict here, driven by a long list of different components, which has also led to fear, frustration, apprehension, a sense of persecution, etc. on the Israeli side.

That each side has missed every opportunity to build a bridge. That Palestinian radicalization is also linked to Islamist aspects (and I am not trying to narrow the discussion and hang everything on that alone), and that Palestinian society as a whole has not yet agreed to the compromises required to end the conflict.

The only thing that can be said in Jal's favor is that he is a little less ******ed than Vik.

It could be said that the only thing rarer in nature than an elephant that can fly is a Palestinian peace movement.

What isn't going well is your use of internet search engines to learn about previous terrorist organisations whose aims were accommodated - because you're an unthinking moron.

Because you learned about them from personal acquaintance, or from the time you spent in the Middle East... LOL

Just wanted you to voice that you actually believe Palestine could achieve a resemblance of freedom through terrorism.

truly demented. the narcissism is endless. Israelis are not the victims.

Israel has been an ally of the US. Why would the US give more money to anti-western terrorist organizations than one of their most trusted allies? Are you completely ****ed in the head?

This also ignores that Israel is required to spend some of the money on US military equipment or services. In turn, we get to collaborate with the Israelis on cutting edge tech, research and design. When we send money to the Palestinians what do we get in return? Except having to send more money to Israel lmao. Completely ****ed in the head.

you are truly grounded in reality

US gets all the latest IDF child-starving technology, real cutting edge stuff in the field of bronze-age warfare.

armed resistance is the only way to achieve freedom. it may not work, but oppressors are not going to give up their material interests if the untermensch ask nicely. I cant think of a single situation where that happened. Haiti, Algeria, Vietnam, India, South Africa.

The idea is to stop sending money anywhere. As long as our own are starving and homeless stop sending aid anywhere. Also lol at cutting edge tech, research and design.

You can argue geopolitically Israel causes more problems than it is worth to the US. But as far as our military industrial complex goes, they are probably the nation the US gets the most out of.

They still purchase the vast majority of arms (and as Lucium notes, are required to buy US manufactured arms), and the aid they get, where US companies still get all the money, isn't actually that much in the grand scheme. You understand that when they say Israel receives $4 billion in military aid, what they really mean is US arms manufacturers receive $4 billion, and arms get shipped to Israel.

And most importantly they fight all the time, so the US military and arms manufacturers get feedback how their **** works in the field, which is actually extremely invaluable.

Idk what is lol about that. Israel is arguably ahead of the US, and surely ahead of most of the world in a number of important tech sectors.

I’ll try again. Do you have any sources or at least a followable argument? Or just “lol”?

Who else is on the list? And are we just taking about military aid, or other aid too?

There is on online populist right movement to stop sending food aid to Africa, with the argument it is just causing an unsustainable population explosion, where the West is having to take in all the excess population, which is a giant negative. Are you one of those guys?

Absolutely true.

But folks with a functioning moral compass typically do not resort to terrorism.

I don't know the dollar amount, but roughly a gazillion times too much.

I ain't no history expert, but I don't think that's how apartheid was abolished in South Africa.

And in most part of the world, slavery was not abolished by way of 'armed resistance.'

if you admittedly arent an expert, then maybe you should look deeper on the subject. ffs Mandela was jailed for armed resistance.

quick reminder that Mandela was officially considered a terrorist by the US government until 2008.

But the abolition of apartheid itself was not achieved by way of armed resistance. You're kinda making my point for me.