The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance

Your first point is a messaging problem on the part of the Dems. They're either unwilling or unable to provide details about how they're going to extract more money from the rich without affecting anyone else. This should be simple to do, but we've utterly failed our society at teaching financial literacy, and Dems haven't figured out how to explain this to everyone like they're a 5 year old, so they gotta work on that.

The second is only a tiny bit correct. Trump being able to make a show of singing an EO to get men out of women's sports was only possible because you weren't satisfied with the mere existence of trans people; you demanded to take it beyond the mental exercise and create physical consequences. An 8th grader isn't allowed to identify as a 4th grader and destroy them at sports for obvious reasons. The same should be true for people who simply identify as sexes they are not, but you wanted to make a federal case over it, and Trump took you up on your offer. Because that particular issue has such a clear and obvious correct answer to most people, you should encourage team blue to pivot to some easier topics and maybe take on beating up cis women in sports after some other significant political gains.

so your claim is that ALL immigrants always benefit ALL citizens? there aren't identifiable groups of immigrants that materially decrease the quality of life of identifiable subdemographics of citizens, EVER?

Your projection and outright lying is a sight to behold.

so your claim is that ALL natives always benefit ALL citizens? there aren't identifiable groups of citizens that materially decrease the quality of life of identifiable subdemographics of citizens, EVER?

natives are the citizens.

btw I am NOT A NATIVIST. I hate poor uneducated citizens and I wouldn't give them the vote nevermind any welfare at all.

but in most countries the constitution doesn't allow to do that.

while it does allow to do that to non performing immigrants.

some citizens are utter trash. some immigrants are utter trash. I'll gladly get rid of both if it was legal. it's only legal for immigrants, so at least get rid of them.

We know from extensive statistics that 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are higher performing by pertinent metrics; earn more and are criminals less than 2nd and 3rd generation "citizens"

So while ALL immigrants aren't going to be a net positive, OVERALL immigrants are a net positive.

If there was any care being put into the process to identify "performing" and "non performing" immigrants then maybe there would be a discussion, but since that isn't happening, we can safely determine that the current immigration policy is distinctly a net negative

The fact that you don’t see the significance of the point I’m making about primary motivation, this is why people like you on either political side are the problem.

I think the problem is that you are woefully incapable of explaining anything that you think in a salient manner

on AVERAGE, in the USA, yes. Also because you have one of, if not the worst in the first world, incredibly "bad at everything" demographic among your citizens (in the sense of being ultra low in all variables we want high in a human group and viceversa).

Overall immigration is obviously a positive in the USA. Somali refugees... not that much. Recent paroled people from haiti and nicaragua... not so obvious.

The current immigration policy is identical to the previous immigration policy for legal immigrants. Trump, afaik, didn't change anything. What he changed is he stopped allowed illegals to enter. And he is starting to deport some illegals. And he removed some protections given to recent immigrants by Biden. All completly unfiltered immigrants btw.

There is no talk about immigration policy on the right and on the left, in the sense of fixing legal immigration. So we can only talk about illegals.

You have no clue what the make up of recent immigration looks like other than what your right wing sources make up which is just one little piece of the over arching massive problem

You speak with authority on a subject of which you are receiving either 4th hand information or just completely made up information and the truth means little to you so you feel quite confident just spreading misinformation

This is why some have posited that you are being paid for your prolific online posting

Wait, when does one stop being an immigrant and become a citizen for purposes of coordi's behavior and outcomes comparison?

I'm the 5th generation of my family being in the US, so am I a 5th generation immigrant, or does it tick over after 3 and thus I'm a 2nd generation "Citizen" because my parents were technically 4th generation immigrants which means they stopped being immigrants and became 1st generation citizens?

I smell bullshit statistics used to reinforce someone's narrative.

The comparison is children and grand children of non white immigrants and children and grand children of white citizens

I smell you talking out your ass for about the 12 time this week but that doesn't slow you down

It might be beyond rational discussion. It used to be a shared cultural Christianity that allowed most people to embody the truth I’m pointing at, but we don’t have that anymore.

Why are we excluding white immigrants and nonwhite citizens?

Do children of non-white immigrants not become non-white citizens? Should we start deporting citizens who can't behave themselves?

I feel like as an adult you should be able to look up this information on your own.

You'd think so. Unfortunately, if you use the only logical explanation, in his example the 2nd generation citizen is also a 3rd generation immigrant and then you get a #DIV/0 error on the output.

I initially wrote:

Which turned out to be exactly correct.

Except "behave themselves " now means not bowing down to trump.

It seems like a common sense if you come to the country and commit a crime you go back to your country . AS a CDN if I have an impaired charge or a simple possession charge I can not enter the USA even for a vacation

No it's not that. You are actually obsesses by white supremacy.

The biden wave was many millions of TPS/paroled unfiltered immigrants being allowed to enter. It's not right wing sources it's democratic party sources bragging about how moral and good they were to let a ton of people with no vetting, no economic analysis, nothing at all other than "their original countries are disgustingly bad so they deserve to come in the USA".

We aren't talking refugees. We are talking millions of people on temporary protection that Biden that allowed to enter.

How can you determine if you were correct if you didn't read the study or statistics I was referencing?

I guess we will just have a running "Inso0 talking out of his ass this week" counter: 13

Who is “we”

Like it’s so weird how invested you are in the racial makeup of our country that you get involved in the debates just so you can “we”

First: You didn't link anything.

Second: I object to my weekly bullshit counter starting at double-digits on a Monday. I only had 3 posts prior to you first nailing me, and they weren't long enough to get up to 12 infractions.

we is the people in this forum discussing the topic. WE aren't talking refugees.

I was addressing cordie so we can also be me and cordie but it's a public open forum, so it's everyone discussing this topic at this time.

I am interested in what the USA allows because your line becomes your line here. We opened up to infinity third worlders (here we = europeans) because you pushed as hard as you could for that.

Obama convinced merkel to take infinity syrians. The very weak italian gvmnt prostrated itself to do whatever germany told it to do at the time. You (=you americans) also tapped Merkel's phones btw during all of this.

We (=europeans) are citizens of the outer fringes of your (=you american) empire. Everything you (americans) do has direct repercussion on us (europeans)

I live in a colony. Is it so strange that i care about how the mother country does something, given i know for a fact that will affect me down the line as well?