Bodybuilding Classic Physique Division Offseason log

Oh, and on a completely personal note, who knows the most about TRT for general population managed by a Dr.? Would that be loco or someone else? I assume Guy would be the expert for anyone going beyond that but maybe you're an expert in any enhanced scenario.

I am a person who is receiving TRT in that scenario. Not sure I’d call myself an expert - what is your question?

Are the drawbacks very significant? I've looked into things a bit but if someone already feels like they've become an "expert" (e.g. if Guy thinks he's an expert on this and gives me advice I would much more heavily weigh that advice compared to my own brief research) then I'd like to hear what they have to say.

The bottom line is that my testosterone is testing in the very low 300s (so I guess this is still considered normal but at the very bottom of the range). My libido cratered several months ago and my sleep also seems to suck (I likely have sleep apnea but it's taking a long time to get an actual test). Anyway, my Dr. thinks TRT is a very reasonable intervention for me and I'm wondering if I should just automatically fist-pump yes on this or not.

Biggest/only drawback for me has been doing the injections twice a week - I keep forgetting and it’s not the most pleasant thing to do. I am getting re-tested next week and I am going to ask to switch to a cream I think…so long as the efficacy is similar. I’m interested to see what difference it’s made to my test levels

I haven’t had any side effects other than perhaps I held a little water early on - certainly no gyno or any of the other potential drawbacks. It also hasn’t made much/any difference to my physical capacity. Albeit I was pretty fit anyway? Perhaps I recover a little better but we’re talking 10% territory. Perhaps also have added 1kg of muscle but that’s difficult to tell too.

I noticed a difference in libido and I wake up with Morning Glory the two days after I take it. I am in a new-ish relationship with a (currently at least) very enthusiastic woman so this is good timing. Albeit I do supplement with Viagra a few times per week too (recommend this, if you haven’t used?)

Also probably notice a slight bump in overall mood and energy but that’s difficult might also be driven by life
Improvements over the past 10 months

If you pushing 50 and getting limp dick and have lowT, seems like an easy decision.

I have cvd, easy pass for me.

Did you guys see the new study on bodybuilders? Damn that ifbbpro graph has a steep increase in mortality compared to recreational bodybuilders. You do not want that ifbbpro card, sudden cardiac rest alert.

This one?
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/artic...

Thanks for sharing how it's gone for you. I've never actually tried Viagra. When my libido has been higher things are relatively fine and I assume it has some drawbacks to use.

Not sure I'm pushing 50 but, yeah, this is kind of what I was thinking.

I thought you didn't anymore, or you mean your genetic predisposition makes you more cautious?

Yeah it was that study. This graph was making the rounds on Twitter.

Not sure how they described amateurs. Professionals were described as doing any 1 IFBBPRO event.

I think sudden cardiac death was no different in amateurs and the general population.

Dr Taleb flew right out of his lane and concluded excess muscle mass increases mortality. Lol. The IFBBPros has left ventricular hypertrophy off the charts and heart size 73% greater than normal. LOL natties can't get that, it was the roids dr taleb. The heart is a muscle, it grows when you up da dose. Yeah shocker, I know.

I don't think the graph is showing up, let me try link only.

https://ibb.co/jkSvBVYf

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I have atherosclerosis. Sure I finally stopped laying plaque with my new ApoB of 44 but doubt I get any reversal, maybe a peanuts worth. I probably started laying plaque at age 25. I tried lifestyle and diet modification and then medication. Should have done medication first since family history of CVD is super high (I am counting at least 5 taken by cvd in my family).

Maybe ask someone who actually studies TRT or even takes it?

Just a wild guess.

Alas, an anecdote.

loco gonna loco.

All,

So it is rather tough to get TRT in Eurotardia due to the ******ed medical system. You can say what you want but getting legit TRT in Europe is rather.... fraught. (like pill mill levels of fraught)

Be that what it may, I will certainly be on T within the next 5-10 years, just had a chat with a bud who is on tren (off atm) and trying to get back on. He isn't even as smart as the dumbest of your ****s. I'm pretty sure if Yugo literally woke up and chose an ester he'd be better. God forbid he drink a morning coffee and take 5 minutes to assess the available options.

NB: Yugo, you seem like a p smart dude. Most people here are. But you write and say some things about drug usage that seem very... ignorant. Needless to say no one is gonna kill themselves with what we're talking about so I will feel free to pick on you.

Gonna wait in baited breath for tomorrow tho. (or two days?) I don't know. Honestly, despite being a ****ing wizard at math, time zones are an enigma I will never understand and it is genuinely embarrassing.

So long as your heart is healthy, Viagra is safe. I buy side effect can be a headache if you take too much

Your posts read like you’re super wary of trying things like this but IMO and IME Viagra is awesome. Not so much a ‘need’ thing for me either but it’s a great performance aide and it gives the potential for top quality sport sex. Not sure of your marital status but for me, out there on the streets with a younger Brazilian gf who is a huge enthusiast. it’s been great

Honestly sounds like he missed out on being young.

Popping a few stims (meth, coke, whatever)/downers (benzos, whatever) would open any eyes to how drugs work.

Ironically I was having a convo with a buddy who is on high grade anti-congestants and was like "These are amphetamines" and my response was "... k?"

Learning just enough to make you dangerous to yourself is such a sick win. Don't be willfully stupid. Be aggressively stupid. Take every opp to be less dum. No hate. Dun strikes me as someone who has posted a **** ton of stupid ****, but I cannot recall a single instance of him ever repeating an error.

Granted I could easily be wrong. But w/e.

Well, I just finished betting 2 separate non-Wong teasers (I have access to a book that must be the last one offering -110 on two leg 6 point teases), which I have been doing repeatedly for decades, so maybe not the most accurate statement.

In fairness, I accept the bets are -EV (but not horribly), so an acceptable cost of getting action on 2 games.

I actually have a question you or Loco or someone else who might have an opinion. I have 2 books, one offers me -105 odds on sides/totals for football and basketball. And the other gives me 10% back at the end of the month if I have a losing month (and nothing back in the rare chance I have a winning month), but standard -110.

Obviously for all non side/total bets you use the book with refund. But specifically for sides/total bets, what book should I go with. Without putting much thought into it, or even attempting to do the math, I was thinking of starting every month with the 10% back book, and if I start out in the hole keep betting there. But if I get ahead switch to the -105 book.

But I am open to the idea this is a bad strategy and I should do something different.

With the greatest respect to that conversation, what this thread needs is pics of our hero standing on a stage in his underwear, smeared in body paint, being judged by a selection of other men

Grunch

Report later. 7th out of 13, best posing of the whole classic group. Good conditioning, just I had a lot less muscle than the guys who were in the top of the pack.

Didn't have a big dramatic cheat meal. Just some local HK food of grilled pork with rice and beef and noodle soup with toast and 2 eggs. HK local food is so amazing and cheap. Mainland Chinese food dogshit mostly.

Back on plan as we taper off clen. Added back in retatrutide. These 4 weeks are the most important weeks of the yearly dietary macrocycle for my bodybuilding progress. Don't get fat while recovering from the long diet slowly adding calories and increasing BMR without just adding a ton of fat.

Dick pills: 5mg Cialis daily. Cognition, BP, fat burning, boners. Great stuff no sides. Costs me about 5 usd per month to run at that dose. Viagra very negative experience for me.

your condition looks outstanding. well done

Sweet pics, looking aesthetic.

Let's see pictures of the champ and height bodyweight.

Generally betting the rebate book until you book a loss is the best plan. I have no idea how many concurrent bets you run or your sizing. But locking in the loss and taking the rebate (IE not playing anymore for the current month) and then moving to the -110 is generally the best move.

If you wanna be extra jackass, figure out if your book pays true odds for parlays, and then tie everything to a future event. Say MNF. Then you can hedge or just ride it out depending on your whims. But it'll either lock in a big loss or big win, at which point you'd move to the -105 book. But that is just my quick off the cuff strategy and one that is really likely to piss off your bookie if he has a room temp or higher IQ (most don't).

wrt teasers, there is a weird amount of pushback from what I'd call "pseudo" sharps. People who can recognize the most obvious EV bets but don't understand wtf they are doing in any fashion. There are an ample number of times you'd see a -130 or -140 on the 3 in the NFL which almost guarantees buying the 0 is +EV. (Depends on your pricing and teaser policy on whether buying the hook is better/worse.) This is especially powerful in large number round robins where you can lock in a bunch of Wong legs and then get exposure to another +EV leg that makes you look like a donk.

Another fave was when folks would shade a -7.5 to a -10 and then you could buy the dog side upto 16. Books have a built in margin to protect them from being dumbasses. But there is a reason they still have to ban people who can count.

Guy,

Looking good. Enjoy the deload/refeed/etc.

This.

That's....what I'm trying to do?

I don't even know what you mean and I wasn't completely sure who is or isn't on TRT here so I asked. My doctor wants me to check things out before putting me on TRT so it's not like I'm sitting here waiting on feel wrath in H&F to tip the scale of whether or not I'll go on it.

I wouldn't say I'm super wary...I would be wary if some random person I sort of know tried to hand me their stash of XXXX. But if I'm getting viagra or cialis or TRT or whatever through some very legit channel I'm not particularly worried.

Also, I am and have been married for quite some time and it's not like my wife and I even feel like we have the energy or time for a weekend full of sex or whatever. If I was in a different situation like you (btw, you always mention she's Brazilian but it always confuses me, is that supposed to indicate she's sex crazy unlike other women younger than you?) I'm sure I would have looked into trying viagra or cialis earlier.

I have to admit I've been pretty spartan with trying drugs although I've certainly been around plenty of people who have done likely most of the drugs you have in mind (and I've tried several of the drugs likely on your list).

What am I posting that's wrong? I'm fine being wrong but if I don't know why then how tf will I learn? lol

So you recommend cialis for daily life satisfaction?

Btw, sorry for tarding up the thread when you actually killed it at a meet. You look outstanding in those pics. It's hard for me to really tell if the two guys next to you deserve higher rankings. I'd honestly say no, but you're more attractive in general so I'm sure that biases what I'm thinking.

Yes, Brazilians love anal and they are indeed sex freaks. Get trained at 14. Never been myself but my buddy says so and look at the porn, women are 100% gonna get it in the shiethole. Number1 would be in heaven in Brazil, nonstop anal creamies.

Ahh, now I get it. He needs to bust double the "creamies" because his gf is Brazilian.

Grunch.

I was in both callouts and obv looked better than the kids in 2nd call-out. Here was champ. Not a shorty.

Basically sleeping 11 hours a day as clen withdrawal in full swing.

Prob gonna violently pivot to 6x per week ppl almost entirely machines. Higher volume lower intensity easier more isolation based exercise selection short duration workouts not freaking out about making progress every single session just letting weights naturally trend up as they start to feel lighter in the gym.

I think db chest pressing and sldl every 3rd leg workout will end up being my only free weights, unless you wanna count db curls or ez curls as free weights. Did all machine pull workout took literally 50 minutes to do something like 18 total sets. Rotating SLDL between belt squat machine sldl, smith or "smith braced dumbbell" sldl, and barbell sldl on leg workouts. Gym is 400m from my house and has a leg press and v squat machine that are incredibly glute dominant. It's funny bc most people need to figure out how to engage quads and have glutes that take over, but I have the opposite problem from having very good dorsiflexion and hbbs form from the getgo. But what the oly leaning barbell supremacists don't tell you is that highly quad dominant knees over toes squatting without compensatory glute and ham isolation work is a recipe for unending chronic knee pain. To be fair, both Rip and the LBBS/PL barbell ideologues actually do emphasize the pchain and highly the orthopedic dangers of quad dominance.

More later it's 834 I'm ****ing exhausted I gotta go to bed already.

Bro.... I don't want to think about 14 year olds undergoing anal sex training sorry.... 😔