Gun control
I think that the Gun control thread got lost when the old politics thread got moved.
1 The rest of the world looks at the
Don't the feds have like a 97 or 98% conviction rate? In other words, if you're being charged federally, your ass is very likely getting convicted, but it sounds like you're presenting that stat as if 89% of people with a gun offense are prohibited persons. I realize that's probably not your intention, but 7700 federal gun convictions, of which 89% were prohibited persons, when
No idea. Yes it isn't the whole story and all that.
You said this..
Almost 60% of gun deaths per year are suicides. So yeah, if a kid grabs his parents' handgun and ice's his or her head off or smokes his or her younger sibling by accident or on purpose, then that was a prohibitive person using a firearm.
Yes, suicides as we can see outnumber it all. And they are increasing.
I'm seeing like 20 cases a year of a kid killing their sibling - but i didn't look very hard so i could be wrong. But that particular part of your post isn't moving the needle very much.
Diving deeper into the mess of gun crime, state level stats are all over the place, but you could definitely argue, like others have, that state level gun offenders who were legally prohibited is lower than the federal level for several reasons - I'm seeing somewhere in the ballpark of 55-70% which is still laughably high - but not 90%.
Either way, like you said, suicides are the real killer with firearms, but when like 38% of deaths are homicides with w/e argumentative percentage being from those who were legally unable to own a firearm, you've got a lot more damage being done there if someone is honestly interested in reducing gun deaths than kids killing their siblings - which I understand wasn't your main argument.
But Inso, to a degree, was correct.
We can easily fix the gun problem. All it takes is a society that wants to fix the gun problem.
You have a current darling lawmaker whose rise to stardom was to film herself following kids who survived mass murder while yelling abuse and conspiracy theories about gun control at them. That's a level of moral and political depravity that is difficult to beat.
Sure, if there was political will, you could probably start on the long road towards trying to reduce your epidemic of gun violence, but I think that day is a long way off.
I just want to answer the age old question of:
Does owning a bunch of guns cause mental illness or is the drive to own a bunch of guns caused by mental illness
Without that piece of the puzzle we will never be able to move forward because the people who own a bunch of guns insist its for rational reasons yet that "rational" reason is defending against a tyranny that has a trillion dollars worth of advanced munitions
Wonder what the guns rights folks think about this.
Trump looking to ban transgender people from having a gun and declaring them ‘mentally ill’: report
my entire rightwing twitter feed is going crazy AGAINST the purported attempt by the DOJ to remove 2a rights from transgender people
Wonder what the guns rights folks think about this.
Trump looking to ban transgender people from having a gun and declaring them ‘mentally ill’: report
Well considering the gun rights folks is like 60% of the entire country I'd venture a guess that they collectively think that it's idiotic.
There has been about a couple dozen people in here through the years who advocated that certain groups should be stamped with mental illness and have their guns taken away.
...And with just like the transgender community, the people they targeted as well weren't very high on the threat meter but simply targeted them for the same idiotic reasons.
What do you think of it and could you explain why?
Yeah well my right wing twitter feed is talking about RFK
mine is sasying "it's sad and dumb RFK is against the many vaccines that provenly work but every person who in any capacity pushed for mask mandates and school closures and vaccine mandates for covid deserves to have his life ruined" and i am 100% on board with that.
But the craziness about the 2a purported violation is high. Pretty sure the DOJ only means it wants to get back to when being trans was a mental illness but until more is known it's obvious no sane rightwing person could defend the idea that if you are trans you can't carry weapons. And they don't in my feed, they are really really angry
This is just a ploy to get more trans people buying guns.
Probably sponsored by the gun lobby.
I just want to answer the age old question of:Does owning a bunch of guns cause mental illness or is the drive to own a bunch of guns caused by mental illnessWithout that piece of the puzzle we will never be able to move forward because the people who own a bunch of guns insist its for rational reasons yet that "rational" reason is defending against a tyranny that has a trillio
I will caveat that I am not an American, so my view in this debate is not very US centric. Still, I'm pretty sure I have equivalents in your country.
I own a few guns, and might very well end up owning a few more. It is presumptuous to self-diagnose, but I'm reasonably stable.
To be perfectly clear: I don't have any fantasies of standing up to a tyrannical government. Still, if we enter into this fantastic realm of hypothetical scenarios, it is obviously easier to be tyrannical if you have all the weapons. And sure, the state has all the big toys yadda-yadda, but the history of occupation and insurgency teaches us that this is hardly all there is to it. Now the reason I don't have any big dreams about being an insurgent is that while insurgencies can often be historically successful in the long run, the reality of the individual experience tend to be horror, never-ending extreme stress, trauma and quite a lot of being blown to bits. I prefer my daydreams not to involve the possibility of being dispersed over a larger area.
My interest in my personal guns isn't even anything useful. I don't like big game hunting because I have better things to do with my life than lug big carcasses around. And while small-game hunting can be okay, that's just the hiking part, so it is even better if one leaves the gun at home.
It is certainly not for self-defense or defending my home, as a) there is an obvious conflict between storing guns responsibly in your home and having them ready to use b) the most dangerous thing at my door is local grandmas ringing my bell to give me baked goods. While that mightly slightly increase the risk of life-style diseases, I think going Die Hard on someone's nana is still considered an over-reaction.
The reality is simply that I like guns and I like shooting them. They are fascinating objects, and the theater of using them is good fun.
I also own guns and enjoy shooting them. I'd give them all up in an instant to never have another kid shot down in a school
It wouldn't even be a question for me. I'd throw them in the furnace myself
I also own guns and enjoy shooting them. I'd give them all up in an instant to never have another kid shot down in a school
It wouldn't even be a question for me. I'd throw them in the furnace myself
And on the opposite of the "responsible gun owner"-scale you would find me, who is not in favor of disarming a populace so that less criminals, terrorists and madmen can have access to guns.
However, once again I'm speaking generally. I'm not an American.
Does owning a bunch of guns cause mental illness or is the drive to own a bunch of guns caused by mental illness
Without that piece of the puzzle we will never be able to move forward because the people who own a bunch of guns insist its for rational reasons yet that "rational" reason is defending against a tyranny that has a trillion dollars worth of advanced munitions
So what is the cutoff here in your opinion?
From a limited sample size here, the ones who have been very ardent against anyone owning guns, or the ones volunteering to drone gun owners, or strip away rights from the transgender community to further their political agenda, or asking the community on how to dox gun owners, have been the ones who have shown the most signals of mental illness.
I also own guns and enjoy shooting them. I'd give them all up in an instant to never have another kid shot down in a school
It wouldn't even be a question for me. I'd throw them in the furnace myself
And in good faith honesty so would I, but we are kind of operating from a non-realistic standpoint about you and I personally throwing our guns into the fireplace to save the world.
I will caveat that I am not an American, so my view in this debate is not very US centric. Still, I'm pretty sure I have equivalents in your country. I own a few guns, and might very well end up owning a few more. It is presumptuous to self-diagnose, but I'm reasonably stable.To be perfectly clear: I don't have any fantasies of standing up to a tyrannical government. Still, if
Often times, for simplicity of debate, people like to fall back on the argument that Billy and his .22 isn't going to outmatch the F35 of the govt that is out to get them.
But in authoritarian shitholes, it isn't exactly a Hollywood showdown. It's high poverty, high inflation, normalizing fear when rights become eroded and an increase in crime and rape while the govt reaps what those people no longer have.
If I had to guess, Trump's America figures itself out and possible progress comes into play. But who knows. But people are definitely spoiled right now, and they don't know that things can get worse or how that would even look.
The cutoff is being unable to discuss any type of gun reform that includes reduction in number of guns available in the country
(its the guns)
Now now now, don't let facts get in the way of his propaganda.
Lost in the Charlie Kirk news is another school shooting in Evergreen CO, a place that I have vacationed in the past
Just a reminder...
"I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage"
Charlie Kirk
lucy seems a little butt hurt today
Not this thread, but citing the lefts lack of empathy has already been exhausted as a plot device in the other one
Thanks for showing up guys. Thank goodness we have 10s of thousands of these posts to make this a better place
The "Very fine people" take no time at all to show up with some insight and genuine concern over shooting people you disagree with
Many such cases
It's amazing how tribal identity completely blinds a lot of the people.
They either celebrate or mourn strictly down party lines and then take turns doing both while not seeing their own hypocrisy on the other end.
I'd imagine that it would be a bit better, at least strategically, to cut out one end of it at least. Celebrate or mourn only, i guess.
