The murder of Charlie Kirk

Ok, so why doesn’t that completely rule out him being a leftist?

That wasn’t the question, but I understand dishonest people like you can’t answer direct questions.

I'm not going to play ref here. Just stating what I've learned so far.
He was definitely raised conservative in the LDS church. There's supposedly videos of him playing piano in church. He got a scholarship to an LDS owned college, in BYU, but he went to utah state. He scored in the top 1% for his college entrance exams. He is not a registered Democrat.

Could he be playing rebellion games against how he was raised his whole life? Maybe. But the odds are increasingly unlikely. But we'll know more soon.

he was praying it was a Mexican or Arab

Yikes he made Patel uncomfortable that’s something.

Germany's Baader-Meinhof terrorists of the 1970s tended to come from conventional middle-class backgrounds, as did the 9/11 'Hamburg cell' of Al-Qaeda. That's pretty much where people like that do come from.

When you've been raised in a radicalized belief system, it's of course very easy to move to another radicalized belief system. Your mind is already trained to think this way.

I don’t have the energy to explain in any eloquent way how two opposing things can be true at once

Correct. There are already reports out from friend and family though, that he was increasingly becoming interested in politics.

I can’t debate the contents of the article because I haven’t read it. But I do imagine it to be more complicated than that.

It seems like a lot of these political assassins are working under a kind of Archduke Ferdinand delusion. In their minds it becomes the spark that will somehow set off a sweeping political transformation and that they’re the agent destined to make it happen.

These 4-Chan meme lord dudes - which apparently Crooks and this guy were - don’t fit neatly into the lefty/righty spectrum that us old heads insist upon.

It’s some weird mix of ultra online/desire to be edgy/seeing nothing but extremes for their entire lives.

Just think about how ****ed in the head you have to be to kill someone and your priority is to make sure you scrawl some sick memes that literally 2% of the population has any idea what they are on the bullets.

It’s worthless to try to “prove” he’s left or right.

the was an actual rightwing nativist killer who hated latinos A LOT some years ago that wrote a manifesto that was super pro union.

People don't necessarily map over all right-left distinctions as neatly as purists do

It's worth it, if we can, to understand which narratives he bought in that made him think killing Kirk was a worthwhile use of his own life. Unless he was "going after fame" generically ("i should kill a famous person") but i don't think that's particularly common these days

I don't think this is necessarily true.

The Klein piece can be understood easier if instead of "correct" you substitute "effective way to pursue his goals".

It's not a moral claim AT ALL. It's a technical claim of efficacy. You guys know it, but you can't have a shred of decency ever so you have to make a big fuss of a word that is UNAMBIGOUS in that context given the article, but you want to insist is ambigous.

a lot of the right-wing griftoverse who are perma-horny for a violent civil war talk like this, but a lot of these recent shooters are far-right edgelord freaks; racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, antisemitic, etc nihilists. and the fact that they all seem to worship other mass shooters should mean that they know that the archduke ferdinand thing probably isn't happening. but who knows, maybe they're dumb, or think it's building toward that, idk.

after jan6 , lockdowns and vax mandates, those 2 elections, with trump almost assassinated being the candidate? it is.

Leftwing people could have many reasons not to vote (especially very leftist people) but rightwing people? lol if you believe just 20% of the rightwing narrative it was the last chance to save the country from leftist genocide and infinite immigration to substitute you and your family violently etc etc.

You cannot be politically active and rightwing in the USA in 2024 and not scream to vote as the most important thing you could ever do to try to save the country from domestic enemies. That was the MAIN NARRATIVE. You wouldn't have been rightwing if you didn't agree with that basically.

This is probably true.

I understand that. Vic posted an image of an NYT opinion piece, you asked what he was upset about, I'm explaining that he's probably upset about a paper of record whitewashing the politics of a deranged bigot.

Right-wing dipshits have had fantasies about a nationwide right vs left civil war since the 60's and possibly earlier. Supposedly this was what motivated the Manson killings.

Continually redefining terms to fit your current narrative is pretty weak sauce. But, you do you.

Anyone notice how the right is in an absolute uproar about this but doesn't give a **** every time a bunch of children get shot up at school?

Dude you don’t want understanding. You just want to be “correct” and use it as an excuse to bludgeon the other side to death.