New York City Area Hype Discussion

The Hard Rock/CitiField proposal only call for a 30 table poker room :(

30 is small but I'm sure they would be able to host a huge tournament series similar to the Florida Hard Rocks whereas will the Times Square one have the space to do that? I'm sure they would have a convention center or something but the space has to be more limited than Citi Field.

Citifield proposal is for almost twice as much sq footage for gaming compared to time square proposal. Time square proposal does mention a WSOP poker room though I forgot that

30 tables for a metro tri-state area of 20M people.

Seems the Daily News has a favorite in the race lol

To be fair, it would be one of three, and also plenty of people in the NY Metro will be unlikely to stop going to Parx/Borgata/Catskills/even Foxwoods etc as may well be smoother sailing for them.

This might be true depending on the size of the rooms in NYC or if the casinos have poker at all obviously. But if all three casinos had 100 table rooms, I think virtually nobody would continue driving to Parx and AC for poker.

I mean I think this is wrong for several reasons, just off top of head:

1) The metro area includes a ton of places that it is quicker to get to Parx or AC from than any of the proposed locations in NYC
2) Parx in particular is well established as an excellent room, and brand loyalty is a thing
3) a lot of people who live in the metro don't want to deal with NYC (outside of having to go for work maybe)

I'm interested in seeing what MGM is going to do at Resorts World

On one hand, I think they suck, and they made some unpopular choices at Borgata

On the other hand, they seem to be spending money on content creation and running frequent series at a time you'd expect them to continue to disregard poker based on other choices.

I finally went to the Borgata to play the $2500 9 Game last week after not having been there since the changes. I was actually pleasantly surprised with the changes to the poker room. I like adding all the TV's and partitions in the back. I went in dreading what it was going to look like and left pleasantly surprised.

Not saying there aren't 100 other issues with MGM, though. I will say, though, weren't even using a 1/3rd of the space or tables in the room from before, so why not?

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Caesars exec summary calls for a WSOP room, no size mentioned.

Hard Rock exec summary calls for 30 tables. And fwiw, in a sick elevated location in the casino. I’d rather 100 tables in a dark corner of the basement, but it is pretty cool where they have it planned.

RW has no mention of poker, but they would be the largest (maybe 2nd?) in the country and one of the largest in the world. Exec summary calls for 800 gaming tables, and their supplemental documents that are supposed to break out details on the gaming offerings aren’t yet available (some of the other proposals already have these docs available.) The exec summary also mentions that they would go live with a smaller number of table games in the summer of 26 and then open more progressively as construction completes.

I’m basically praying RW opens a 100 tables room and it’s heaven on earth. A fish can dream.

Sure some people from North Jersey, Staten Island, maybe Westchester and Rockland go to AC and Parx regularly still.

But virtually nobody from Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, and The Bronx is going to regularly drive to AC and Parx if there are rooms with similar quality games in the city or Queens. Plus there’s are tons of people in the NYC who don’t have a car who add to the player pool of the new casinos.

Add in significantly more tourists.

People have brand loyalty to a degree. Nobody is going to keep going to Parx out of loyalty if their friends are telling them there’s maniacs spewing off stacks nonstop somewhere else. And I genuinely do think the games in NY will be that good. It can’t be over stated how many people with how much money are in the city.

The only thing I previously worried (aside from no rooms being opened) might detract from the games would be high rake. But people are playing uncapped underground games right now, and tbh the rake could literally be double normal and it would be mitigated by the shorter commute with less tolls and no lodging costs.

All that to say, there is easily the demand for all three casinos to have enormous rooms

Like the Boiler Room quote goes:

There's no honor in taking that after school job at Mickey Dee's, honor's in the dollar, kid.

If games are great in NYC, all hell and LOL to "brand loyalty".

https://nycasinos.ny.gov/system/files/do...

Caesars' layout (page 23) shows 24 tables. Maybe the space could have more or fewer, but that's probably the general neighborhood.

Hard Rock's first layout doc (the one without the layout) specifically says 30 tables. The second layout doc seems to show that many.

There's a lot of variation in what's redacted and what's not from one set of docs to the next. Some have practically nothing blacked out, others have practically everything interesting blacked out.

Yea this is all pretty much right. I dont know who in their right mind would sit on a 2 1/2 hour bus ride to ac from port authority when theres a poker room walking distance from said bus terminal

100% Just look at the LA poker scene to understand how much demand there will be. Biggest issue will be the period of time there's only 1-2 rooms open and a demand that's much greater than the amount of tables available. Waitlists will be insane and weekends will be the worst

Voting for times square taking place today.
What if only 3 of the proposals get the votes needed to go forward? Would they automatically be granted the licenses or still have to wait til december?

Yea would be packed for sure

Whooops, apparently needed more coffee. Obv meant Empire City

Here’s something I don’t think we’ve discussed much if at all. What do we think the games will look like in terms of stakes and format popularity/availability?

NL is still most popular overall, but there’s huge PLO demand in NY. How much of rooms would be taken by PLO, or mixed NL/PLO?

Do any old or “odd” games have significant traction? Stud, Badugi, whatever

Do any variations like triple blind, rock games, bomb pot games become common?

Will the high income of the area make mid stakes games more abundant? Do the new rooms dethrone the sick volume of 10/10 games at Parx Tuesdays? Is there a chance of nosebleed private room games happening in the casinos regularly?

How does how many rooms, how many tables, which casinos influence this?

Oh interesting, is there a link to video?

I would think all 3 would need to get approved formally, but it may just be a formality since the state wants the $$$

EDIT:

Actually nevermind, I found it for anyone who wants to watch

https://www.youtube.com/live/kE461LSVblA

yeah brand loyalty is not a thing among poker players, we're not talking Merc vs BMW

at the time Parx opened, Borgata was in the top 3 best run rooms in the country and by far #1 when it came to catering to poker players while the Parx poker room had a dungeon like atmosphere with a food quality that was just a step above prison food and $7 alcoholic drinks

didn't help Borgata one bit

Totally agree, that wasn't what I was disagreeing with.

Aside from the games being a lock to be amazing, that I don't agree with. Maybe they will be maybe they won't. They probably will be for a while at least, they were in Chicago when Rivers opened before it chilled out.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if every proposal gets the CAC approval. They want as much application fee money as possible right?