Nicholas J. Fuentes, Candace Owens, and other Right Wing Grifters

He’s been in the news and like you have no clue who he is

The evil of Fuentes is not disguised. He is an open holocaust denier. His podcast on the Kirk killing had close to (or over?) 200k people listening live. Think about those 2 facts together. I've been clocking this guy for a bit and I would say he is more MAGA than Trump is. You should read up on him since, in some ways, we are living in the world he has shaped through his impactful swaying of the youth and pushing the Overton window farther Right than anyone would have thought possible.

hes another manufactured entity. hes not at all charismatic or interesting.

Perfect for the maga crowd.

He is actually very funny and charismatic.

I think this is mostly correct but the only shift he's making is that he isn't, because he can't eally say on any platform, that the Jews aren't human beings, we're behind 911, and are responsible for all the race mixing in the entire world.

Yes, that may sound extreme but it's reality for him and his followers because he isnt Charlie Kirk, he's David Duke Jr.

He also isn't fabricated in a sense like Kirk, he's underground, at least until he's capable to do his thing with enough support. That's what makes him dangerous because he's got more support than is understood.

I've never heard him posit the bolded above.

Source?

On Israel, I'd say Fuentes is closer to Victor than to David Duke.

And Fuentes is ofc correct about 9/11 being an 'inside job.'

You are correct Fuentes does not think Jews are subhumans. They just have loyalties that run against America's interests and need to be stopped in his worldview. The fact they are mostly white is actually a big part of the problem in the Fuentes worldview, as they are capable of intelligent deviousness in ways other minority groups are not.

Fuentes says Israel did 9/11. Which would technically not be an inside job. I take it you accept as fact Israel did 9/11?

Edit: Although the FBI has debunked all the conspiracy theories that lead towards Israel. So I guess if you subscribe to Israel did 9/11, then you also have to subscribe to the FBI being in on it; so kind of an inside job.

While I don't myself subscribe to the 'Israel done did 9/11' narrative, it would be amazing to me if they were not at least a co-conspirator.

Co-conspirator with who?

If the US did 9/11, why would they need (or even want) Israel as a co-conspirator? What value would Israel bring? Seems all downside, as everyone is so suspicious of Israel anyways because Jews.

Also, after 9/11 the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. 2 countries which weren't threatening Israel. Israel would have wanted them to invade Iran.

Makes no sense if Israel and the US govt were working together.

I find it funny that he's the product of race mixing, and I'm sure that some MAGA would be happy to send him to El Salvador. It's crazy to me that he got anywhere with the white supremacist crowd with his ancestry and especially that last name.

Does anyone know if he has addressed why it's fine that his racially mixed, part Mexican ass is here?

No he isn't. Do you know the man personally? Because I know his followers, personally, very well and his followers do not see them as human beings, but parasites. But maybe Nick has a soft spot and I am wrong.

Also, it would be pretty silly for him to outright say it, but after spending a few minutes looking into him, it’s more of the same ****, he called for a holy war and said, “we will make them die.” He ranted about Jews being “cookies in an oven” when dismissing the six million, (I'm sure it was just for argumentative purposes) and he’s praised Adolf Hitler multiple times. Whether you call that sloppy wording or deliberate, that's up to reader.

The good thing about Trump is that we all get to learn a few things about people for the first time.

Given that Israel is our biggest ally in the Middle East, and given that Israel benefits greatly from U.S.-friendly governments in the Middle East, the U.S. replacing Hussein with a 'friendly' Iraq can only help Israel.

And Israel is justifiably famous for their intel.

As a rule-of-thumb, NOTHING happens in the Middle East without the consent of the U.S. and Israel.

Pat Buchanan said it well over thirty years ago, and it's still apt:

'The U.S. Congress is Israeli-occupied territory.'*

addendum: And I'm not going to bat for Buchanan except for that one quote.

Actually this is quite common. It is internalized racism, like you see in figures like Clarence Thomas. This also happens with white looking people who are very slightly ethnic. They, like most people, adopt the ruling racial hierarchy as a truth they have to abide by and they experience intense self hatred that they project outwards.

In fact, many times these people become leaders of fascistic/ tribal movements. We tend to think neo Nazis are the pure breeds they themselves idealize. Really though you will see mostly dark type whites in their ranks and especially as leaders because the "pure" whites who are involved in such organizations are there because their "pure" racial aesthetic is all they have to offer the world. They are incompetent mental defectives who just can't function but instead of accepting their lot in life they blame Jews and blacks for their lack of success. Those people can't lead because they are defective, so it ends up being those who came in other than through incompetence filters who actually organize and make decisions.

Hitler was no exception by the way. He was a sickly little brown haired man of an uncertain lineage, no where close to the tall, blonde, Nordic Nazi ideal. A lot of people were surprised to see the leader of the Proud Boyz was Afro Cuban. I wasn't, and neither would you be if you understood what I am saying here. Sorry to sound like a pompous ass, but this stuff is real and it is impacting our lives and knowledge of it would help.

That's all interesting, and likely correct, but it doesn't say why the general members of the organizations would be happy with someone like that as a leader of the movement.

“He’s one of the good ones.”

Except literally none of that is true. That is just your ignorant bigotry.

A ton of stuff has happened in the ME without the consent of Israel and/or the US. Half the stuff the US has done has been against Israel's interests. Which is fine. Despite all the lying rhetoric you ingest as truth, the US is not a vassal of Israel and can and frequently does do things perceived to be in its own interest against those of Israel.

Israel wanted the US to invade Iran.

They invaded Iraq and made a nuclear deal with Iran, taking away sanctions and letting Iran build a massive ballistic missile program aimed at Israel.

Then Iran built and armed proxy militias to contain/fight Israel in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, and Gaza. Completely against Israel's interests. The Western world just watched it all happen and shrugged their shoulders.

With full US support, Qatar became a major player in the ME; with their extremely anti Israel propaganda outlet Al Jazeera radicalizing an entire generation of Muslims against Israel. Qatar also became Hamas main sponsor, at the request of President Obama. Completely against Israel's interests.

Even after the fall of Assad's Syria, the West, Qatar and Turkey conspired to put Al Qaida in power, again completely against Israel's wishes. Israel wanted Syria to be carved up into weak ethnic enclaves it could separate and dominate. The last thing it wanted was a Turkey controlled Al Qaida taking control. They were better off with a weak Assad.

Your worldview is just bigoted and ignorant.

The general members of white supremacist orgs are often of "tainted" bloodlines themselves. Plus, if the person is getting your agenda done that is going to ingratiate them more than anything else. This is why racists who might desperately avoid any interaction with any non white person, or tell their daughters they will disown them if they date a black guy, might be delighted to have a conversation with Glenn Lowry or Thomas Sowell. Harlan Crow, the wealthy elite exposed for showering gifts on Clarence Thomas, is an avid collector of Nazi memorabilia. He thinks Thomas is another species below his species, but he is happy to associate with him because it moves his racist agenda forward. And, again, Hitler wasn't Aryan and wasn't even German during his rise to power.

The groups which actually rise to the level of significance that we know about them, or even individuals, rise in part because they are more pragmatic than dogmatic. I'm sure there are small cells of white power groups who demand full purity tests for membership. You won't hear about them because they won't accomplish anything.

Even Reinhard Heydrich, the man most directly responsible for the Holocaust, was rumored to be Jewish. Who knows if he was, but it was the same internal conflict/dissonance/projection of hatred that drove him to be the most anti-Semitic of all the Nazis. Most of the Nazis just wanted the Jews gone. This guy wanted them wiped off the face of the Earth for all time and it was probably to deflect criticism or suspicion away from himself. Same thing with these super machismo dudes being gay or grinder crashing in any locale where large numbers of Republicans gather. Same thing with Nick Fuentes being a white supremacist with the last name Fuentes.

Fuentes=Kirk, but more vicious

Here it is, folks! It doesn't take long for folks like Dunyain to play the Antisemite Bigot Card (TM pending).

I've never, ever, ever posted anything disparaging against the Jewish people or against Israeli citizens. All of my criticisms of Israel have been about their government, not the citizens or their religion.

Similarly, I've written harsh words about Hamas, but I have never made a disparaging remark about the Palestinian people.

This is what the pro-Nety folks do ALL THE TIME! 'If you aren't totally on board, you must be a Jew-hating bigot'

This is one of the Weapons of Mass Distraction that got me to stop posting or even lurking much in the I/P thread.

I'll leave it to someone else to respond to the actual content of Dunyain's post.

Where's my shock face? There it is again!

addendum:

Well, my 'worldview' includes being a Dispensationalist Christian. And dispensationalists like myself are literally the most pro-Jewish and pro-Israel Christians on the planet (other than Messianic Jews).

I dont know what your motivation is. But you are extremely ignorant and hateful, and you revel in your hateful ignorance. You are proud of it. Even when your ignorance is completely laid out in front of you, you are completely immune to absorbing any information which doesn't fit your pre-existing biases.

I laid out a ton of facts showing that Israel does not run the US or the Middle East and you cant even refute any of it; and it doesn't matter because reality makes absolutely no difference to your belief.

I dont know what exactly makes someone a good Christian, but these dont seem like traits that would be a part of it.

Is is Christian to frequently say hateful, factually incorrect things and then just shrug it off when people point this out? Because that is exactly what you have been doing in this forum for years.

You’re a smart guy Geezer, there’s no way you think that’s true. The existence of the Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas, and ISIS are enough to show that’s not the case.

And we’re not fans of the IRGC or the former Assad Regime either.

There’s plenty that happens in MENA we’re not partial to.