Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
[QUOTE=Crossnerd]
It’s incredibly ignorant to suggest that the existence of “court Jews” proves that Jews were fully accepted throughout Europe. Jews were forced into banking largely because they were forbidden from taking up any other professions. Per usual, Victor’s post is tantamount to a steaming pile of dog poop. It must be difficult to be so uninformed but he’s the best.
Well, unfortunately the main mod of this forum views him as a friend and largely endorses his ahistorical dehumanizing perspective of Jews. So here we are.
For whatever it is worth, Victor's false, demeaning, dehumanizing attitude towards Jews would have been the accepted norm for most of history. So the Overton window going back to this is pretty much just normal. Like I said, what is new is old again.
Interesting how little by little increments Victor keeps unveiling his power level and pushing the Overton Window of what he can get away with. Really is a frog in boiling water situation.
2 years ago no way he could get away with calling the majority of Jews pedophile rapists and recycling old antisemitic tropes of Jewish bankers controlling the world and persecuting Christians and Muslims.
But I guess the water has heated up slow enough he can get away with it.
It’s astonishing how ignorant he is.
Interesting how little by little increments Victor keeps unveiling his power level and pushing the Overton Window of what he can get away with. Really is a frog in boiling water situation. 2 years ago no way he could get away with calling the majority of Jews pedophile rapists and recycling old antisemitic tropes of Jewish bankers controlling the world and persecuting Christi
Right well since I never said anything like that.
I mean, you’re getting pretty sloppy. I’ve repeatedly warned you against conflating international Jewry with Israelis, and I’ve explained the reasons. You are incorrect with both your assessment and usage of the court Jew reference, as others have already pointed out. You have failed to properly contextualize both the nature of religious hostilities and the extreme social exclusion that resulted in Jews becoming money-lenders during that period in favor of making your point. You also fail to properly contextualize their tokenization and exploitation as it relates to and is in any way analogous to this modern conflict.
Is it against the forum rules? No, not quite. But you’re absolutely bordering the Jewish bankers run the world trope, and I’d advise you to be more precise with your language and govern yourself accordingly.
The rest of you, honestly, you’re not babies. You can debate things without moderation interference. If something crosses the line, report it.
But you’re absolutely bordering the Jewish bankers run the world trope
I literally said they served European rulers. That's the opposite of this slander.
I’ve repeatedly warned you against conflating international Jewry with Israelis, and I’ve explained the reasons
99% of international Jewish institutions support Israel. My JCC in a liberal neighborhood flies an Israeli flag.
Interesting how little by little increments Victor keeps unveiling his power level and pushing the Overton Window of what he can get away with. Really is a frog in boiling water situation. 2 years ago no way he could get away with calling the majority of Jews pedophile rapists and recycling old antisemitic tropes of Jewish bankers controlling the world and persecuting Christi
On Israel, it's netayahu who has shattered the Overton window while driving a bulldozer through so many norms
Along with that, the discussion has shifted dramatically probably more than anything I can recall in my lifetime
Jews in Europe in the 1700s faced persecution? So did countless other ethnicities, identities, religions, cities, nations, and classes of people. It has no bearing on the genocide that Israel has inflicted on the Palestinians for decades.
But if they aren't going to let Israel finish the job, and they are going to keep supporting and supplying Hamas, in action if not in words, than the right side of history is Hamas. In which case, what is the point of declaring support for a post Hamas Palestinian state. They are obviously going to have to walk back the post Hamas part, so why bother in making such a statemen
You keep saying this but what on earth does this even mean? Gaza is one huge parking lot. Millions of people displaced. Israel has already made clear to the world it intends on taking over Gaza fully and ruling it. Sure they say they will give it back at some point but I personally don’t believe that for a second.
Who exactly is in Israel’s way of “finishing the job”?
I think the few of you who are left have to accept that the world sees Israel for what it is and the perpetual victim has finally ran out of credit.
99% of international Jewish institutions support Israel. My JCC in a liberal neighborhood flies an Israeli flag.
This is not up for debate. Blaming all Jews for the sins of the Israelis will get you banned, and that’s what conflating the two does.
Right but pointing out the international support for Israel is not "blaming all Jews" and it's Dunyain level dishonesty to paint it as such.
And regardless, the main and most important supporter of Israel is the White Empire. Like noted antisemite Nasrallah said "the tail doesn't wag the dog" which seems appropos to repeat given today is the one year anniversary of the war crime that illegally killed him and hundreds of civilians.
You keep saying this but what on earth does this even mean? Gaza is one huge parking lot. Millions of people displaced. Israel has already made clear to the world it intends on taking over Gaza fully and ruling it. Sure they say they will give it back at some point but I personally don’t believe that for a second.
.
You are correct Israel cant really finish anything. All they can do is take over Gaza and hand it over at some point. It really is up to the rest of the world to defund UNRWA (which is responsible for supplying Hamas with weapons, aid to control the territory, and radicalization) and stop all the weapons transfers to Hamas
Unless of course you want Hamas to win. In which case keep UNRWA going as is, keep supplying Hamas, and start embargoing Israel. As there is no movement in the world to combat Palestinian militancy, and all the momentum is to stop Israel, it seems the rest of the world has decided they want the fighting keep going, they just want the Palestinians to fare better.
Unless of course you want Hamas to win.
as all reasonable and humane people want. even Avi Schlaim, as quoted earlier does.
In which case keep UNRWA going as is,
bro, what are you even talking about? UNRWA is fully dismantled and no longer functions in Palestine.
keep supplying Hamas
who does this? small time smugglers? good luck stopping that piddily amount. although, Hamas militants do have indefinite weaponry courtesy of the duds from American made and Israeli dropped bombs. funny how that works.
and start embargoing Israel.
again, which Western state does this? or even non-Western state such as China or Russia? who even talks about this? every country except Iran, Yemen, Cuba, and NK sends Israel weapons or resources.
As there is no movement in the world to combat Palestinian militancy
bro what? wtf do you think all of the weapons sent to Israel from nearly every country in the world are meant to do?
and all the momentum is to stop Israel
it sure doesnt seem that way as they murder 100s of people every single day with weapons provided by almost every country on the planet.
I mean, you’re getting pretty sloppy. I’ve repeatedly warned you against conflating international Jewry with Israelis, and I’ve explained the reasons. You are incorrect with both your assessment and usage of the court Jew reference, as others have already pointed out. You have failed to properly contextualize both the nature of religious hostilities and the extreme social exclu
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Israel is sending Patriot Missile Batteries to Ukraine. In case anyone is still confused as to which sides Ukraine, Israel, Russia and Hamas stand on. If you support Hamas you support Russia.
Very good of them (particularly since Netanyahu is such a personal friend of Putin, but then he needs to look good to the Americans), and the Netherlands is also doing so, and Germany and Greece may follow. Germany, France and Italy are also supplying separate air-defence systems, which should result in a layered response to air threats.
what Patriot missile systems does Israel make or control? and werent these the same systems that were moved from Ukraine to Israel awhile ago so that Israel could murder Iranian scientists and their families?
and yes, if the option is Israel or Russia (its not ofc, bc Russia supports Israel in many ways) then ya I am gonna go with the side that doesnt murder dozens of children in the most gruesome ways possible every day due to their racist hatred and Extremist indoctrination.
You are correct Israel cant really finish anything. All they can do is take over Gaza and hand it over at some point. It really is up to the rest of the world to defund UNRWA (which is responsible for supplying Hamas with weapons, aid to control the territory, and radicalization) and stop all the weapons transfers to HamasUnless of course you want Hamas to win. In which case
Right so no actual answer to who is standing in Israel’s way. Just another propaganda piece to try and make people feel bad for the perpetual victim that is Israel.
But if they aren't going to let Israel finish the job, and they are going to keep supporting and supplying Hamas, in action if not in words, than the right side of history is Hamas. In which case, what is the point of declaring support for a post Hamas Palestinian state. They are obviously going to have to walk back the post Hamas part, so why bother in making such a statemen
There is a still a big taboo for being openly pro-Hamas, so that's a no-go, but on the other hand, it's becoming increasingly clear that Israel will end up being the greater of two evils.
I doubt anyone actually believes that the two-state solution is going to happen. The point is to get off the Israeli bandwagon.
what Patriot missile systems does Israel make or control? and werent these the same systems that were moved from Ukraine to Israel awhile ago so that Israel could murder Iranian scientists and their families?and yes, if the option is Israel or Russia (its not ofc, bc Russia supports Israel in many ways) then ya I am gonna go with the side that doesnt murder dozens of children
Pure gibberish.
There is a still a big taboo for being openly pro-Hamas, so that's a no-go, but on the other hand, it's becoming increasingly clear that Israel will end up being the greater of two evils.
I doubt anyone actually believes that the two-state solution is going to happen. The point is to get off the Israeli bandwagon.
I don’t think getting off the Israeli bandwagon while doing little about Iran or its proxies, which can just rebuild if Israel isn’t allowed to keep them down, will make the Middle East more peaceful, or is even in US interests.
I think it just encourages Iran and its proxies to get more aggressive against Israel, and Israel responds with much more devastating firepower that doesn’t involve expensive precise missiles, including possibility of nuclear weapons.
The people Israel are fighting aren’t interested in peace, so I don’t think cutting Israel off to force it into concessions that bring peace is going to have the intended effect.
I think broadly supporting Israel against various flavors of Islamic extremism trying to eradicate it is in the US and the world’s best interests. But all the momentum seems to be going the other way. So We will see who is right I guess.
Very good of them (particularly since Netanyahu is such a personal friend of Putin, but then he needs to look good to the Americans), and the Netherlands is also doing so, and Germany and Greece may follow. Germany, France and Italy are also supplying separate air-defence systems, which should result in a layered response to air threats.
My understanding is they are constantly buying new ones and sending the old ones to Ukraine. I assume the Trump administration is the one making this decision and I doubt Israel has any say in the matter.
ya dude, Jews were "forced" to be some of the richest and most influential people in Europe. as usual, this shows your Jewish Supremacism and Philo-semitism. guess who else could be killed and imprisoned and robbed at any time that the sovereign wanted? just about every single other person in Europe at the time, including many nobles. the fact is that Jews were allowed to h
If anyone still gives any validity or merit to anything this garbage writes, that speaks volumes on him.
