British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
I understand the visceral reaction against ID cards, and I share it. However, people routinely share this information every time they sign up for a new website and don't think twice about it, so there is a degree of cognitive dissonance here. We should also not think emotional reactions mean something is bad or we are right. That's basically how Farage is winning.
Overall, I agree with 57 on this one. It's the least worst option considering most of the civilised world has them.
(Blue/red has them, grey doesn't)
You’ve missed the point. It isn’t only about ID cards. It’s having to have an ID card app that links all your medical history, tax records, pensions and other sensitive private information, all administrated by an unaccountable private company like Palantir that can harvest your data for profit and may even get hacked at some point.
Starmer bringing in 'racist' into the immigration chat is a bit of a Gordon Brown misstep imo. Fuel for Nige.
If people think their data will be safe with Palantir, this is how cyber criminals operate.
I was being offered a portion of a potentially large amount of money if I helped cyber criminals access BBC systems through my laptop.
Starmer bringing in 'racist' into the immigration chat is a bit of a Gordon Brown misstep imo. Fuel for Nige.
Maybe but what he said was true, that Reforms policies are inherently racist but also not everyone voting for them is.
What he didn’t say that’s also true is that every single racist is voting Reform or Tory and he doesn’t want Labour to be left out of that demographic.
The same names keep cropping up over and over again.
Palantir UK CEO is Louis Mosley, grandson of Oswald.
"I was groomed at the age of 11 and I'm disgusted by all of you here because it wasn't immigrants it was multiple white men".
Starmer bringing in 'racist' into the immigration chat is a bit of a Gordon Brown misstep imo. Fuel for Nige.
He just has no political nous. He's like Sunak but not as good at maths. It shocking that little more than a year after getting elected in a landslide, he's basically a lame duck.
Otoh, they had a good joke on R4 yesterday. A Blairite, Brownite and Corbynista walk into a pub. The landlords says " what are you having, Andy?".
That is quite a good joke.
No one wants to comment on the video I posted showing how Reform voters aren’t actually interested in the victims of gang rape if the perpetrators aren’t brown skinned? Shocker.
Well, everyone here seems to think Reform is unspeakable as far as I can tell, so it just feels like 'yep, that sounds like something Reform supporters would do', and move along.
Plus you have to wonder why a girl would choose that platform to do that, knowing full well it won't go down well.
He just has no political nous. He's like Sunak but not as good at maths. It shocking that little more than a year after getting elected in a landslide, he's basically a lame duck.
Otoh, they had a good joke on R4 yesterday. A Blairite, Brownite and Corbynista walk into a pub. The landlords says " what are you having, Andy?".
hah. It is funny that Burnham could still Blair, Brown and Corbyn, but Starmer is a step too far for him.
I'm sure Andy Pandy would be more than capable of pandering to Starmer if he was an electoral asset and not a liability.
Plus you have to wonder why a girl would choose that platform to do that, knowing full well it won't go down well.
This is the thing you never get about people who are acting with courage or principles.
Well, everyone here seems to think Reform is unspeakable as far as I can tell, so it just feels like 'yep, that sounds like something Reform supporters would do', and move along.
Plus you have to wonder why a girl would choose that platform to do that, knowing full well it won't go down well.
Reform's support is the bottom 30% of the dregs of UK humanity, which is represented by at least two posters here (no, not you).
I'm sure Andy Pandy would be more than capable of pandering to Starmer if he was an electoral asset and not a liability.
Yeah, that's spot on.
hah. It is funny that Burnham could still Blair, Brown and Corbyn, but Starmer is a step too far for him.
I quite like Burnham. He obviously has better politic that Starmer, but he didn't do himself any favours with being so vocal about his leadership ambitions last week imo.
I feel for Starmer, because like Sunak he is clearly a good man with honest intentions, but just a rotten prime minister. He'd make a great foreign secretary.
Does he? I'm not sure anyone knows what his politics are.
...but he didn't do himself any favours with being so vocal about his leadership ambitions last week imo.
He may have made the Portillo Mistake of declaring too early and then being afraid to strike. Except he can't strike anyway, not being an MP, so it's a vanity project to see what sort of support might be out there. Not as much as he hoped, probably. (
) In any case there's that curious rule that the one who wields the knife never wears the crown. And although he's obviously thinking of doing a Boris, Manchester isn't London (population of about 560,000 compared to over 9 million) and the mayoralty doesn't confer the same prestige or recognition.
Plus he's run for leader twice and failed both times.
If Burnham is the answer, what's the question? Who can we get with a Northern accent to attract Reform voters who isn't Phillips or Rayner?
Plus he's run for leader twice and failed both times.
If Burnham is the answer, what's the question? Who can we get with a Northern accent to attract Reform voters who isn't Phillips or Rayner?
Nigel ('Roll up, roll up, ladies and gents, getcher luvvly snake-oil, cures all ills') doesn't have a northern accent, so the counter-strategy probably doesn't lie in identity politics but in (a) 'stopping the boats' by any means necessary, which would tend to spoil Reform's main talking point and (b) pointing out the impracticality and unaffordability of what Reform proposes to do in broader economic terms. Unfortunately Labour have gone for shouting 'Racist!' which breaks the first law of electoral politics -- 'Don't insult the voters.' (Or in the US, 'Don't do a Hillary.')
Labour have gone for victimising refugees as their strategy of appealing to the lowest 20% pond life in the UK, when choosing someone as leader who isn't from the London/Westminster political class and who does understand the non-racist concerns of provincial communities would be a much better option.
I understand the visceral reaction against ID cards, and I share it. However, people routinely share this information every time they sign up for a new website and don't think twice about it, so there is a degree of cognitive dissonance here. We should also not think emotional reactions mean something is bad or we are right. That's basically how Farage is winning. Overall, I ag
With the social media laws coming in at the end of the year and the internet controls regarding accessing porn, we are soon to get them here too.
Labour have gone for victimising refugees as their strategy of appealing to the lowest 20% pond life in the UK, when choosing someone as leader who isn't from the London/Westminster political class and who does understand the non-racist concerns of provincial communities would be a much better option.
What are the non racist concerns of these communities?
With the social media laws coming in at the end of the year and the internet controls regarding accessing porn, we are soon to get them here too.
Well, if you are concerned national ID cards will invariably be used to control illegal immigration (for good or bad), I assure you that this is not necessarily the case. I live in a country with ID cards, and the political class is perfectly fine working around them to promote illegal immigration when they feel it is in their political interests to do so.
It's a curious thing, but our instinctive resistance to national ID cards is always expressed as 'Your papers, please,' imagined in a German accent. Except that, during the Second World War, when for a time there was a distinct possibility that the Gestapo might come over here and start demanding 'Your papers, please,' and public opinion was phenomenally united against the enemy, we did actually have a national ID card system and nobody really minded.
