Nicholas J. Fuentes, Candace Owens, and other Right Wing Grifters

I still think you are right here, but the bombing of Doha really challenges this perspective. It very much went against US interests -- the empire needs to be a reliable ally. If hosting the largest military base in the region doesn't protect a country, what good is the U.S.? I assume Drumpf gave permission. I consider the Doha bombing an outlier, explainable as Trump being too dumb to understand empire and doing whatever the last person he listened to said. Or there's a tawdry real estate deal involved.

Have you been paying any attention to the amount of deals Qatar has been making with the US and other Western nations lately? And this is just what is in the open, we dont even know what more is behind the scenes.

It seems pretty obvious that Doha gave permission. Qatar has been making economic and military deals with the US left and right. And while this is going on, Israel attacks Hamas in Doha (which couldn't happen without Trump signing off), and the response is pretty much nothing, and right after Qatar even endorses a Trump peace plan that would see Hamas leave the Gaza Strip.

I mean, anyone whose brain hasn't been turned to mush by antisemitism with even room temperature IQ should be able to put these puzzle pieces together and see this was all part of a plan by Trump and Qatar to get rid of Hamas, and Israel messed it up with a rare tactical mistake missing the leaders.

Trump's head nod to international law is just a vestige of the most recent era. It's been the longstanding practice of the U.S. and other Western nations to express disapproval of illegal settlements and approval of a Palestinian state while, in action, letting Israel do pretty much whatever they want. There used to be lines they couldn't cross, like when Obama just told them to stop operation Cast Lead and they had to stop. But now people calling themselves Leftists in congress are all voting for weapons to Israel and tanking presidential campaigns which might lead to presidencies which are susceptible to pressure from the Left.

The show we witness put on by the Whitehouse and the Israeli fascists is best understood as a WWE parallel. It's just all for show while, on the ground, Israel steadily advances its ethnic cleansing agenda. You should be able to look at any incident in this saga over the last 20 years and see this. When Biden cursed Netanyahoo on a supposed hot mike that we weren't supposed to hear, do you think that is real? It isn't. It's theater. The U.S. is playing a character and that character's motivation is to abide by the international consensus.

That's a good question. If Israel is in control of our government, how did the Iran deal get done? They weren't in as much control then as they are now, the whole landscape of possibilities is different now, and Obama has slightly different patrons than the last 2 presidents. Obama was backed by different Zionist billionaires, the Pritzkers, but also had some grass roots support which was more solid than Biden's hold-your-nose-and-vote-for-anyone-but-Trump support. Obama was on their side, but he wanted to shear the sheep, not skin it, and this is mostly likely what Obama's patronage network wanted. It's what Obama ran on while they backed him and it contrasted against John "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" at a time when Democrats were more invested in the appearance of policy differences with the GOP.

I try to stay grounded in an institutional, practical, and realist viewpoint. Often I would consider a network instead of a proper institution as a unit of analysis. The Zionists span a lot of networks. They appeal to a large cross section of elites who profit from war and conflict and civil unrest, not to mention the Christian evangelicals who want all the Jews to go to Palestine so God can kill them.

There are corruptions which are obvious, like AIPAC pouring money into elections to defeat anti genocide political candidates. Then there are things I just believe as obviously part of the pattern of corruption, like the Harris campaign was sabotaged from the inside by Zionists, which I cannot prove and for which the main inference is a little more ambitious. I think the NYT is promoting Nick Fuentes because they want someone hateable to be the face of anti-Zionism instead of Greta Thunberg. My worldview has an explanation for why the NYT is platforming Fuentes and making him look acceptable. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think your worldview has any explanation for the Fuentes feature in the NYT.

Worldviews aren't like scientific postulates which must be falsifiable. I can either explain a wider range of outcomes more plausibly and predict future outcomes more reliably, or I can't. I think if you look at the old I/P thread you will see my views, then categorized as unhinged/radical/anti-Semitic, have been vindicated.

Deuces McKracken's writings usually boil down to superficially reasonable sounding posts without any discernible facts. When you single out the 2-3 sentences that actually matter, what it actually says is "the Jews ordered it, and they kill anyone who disobeys".

Basically, exactly the kind of stuff you'll find plastered over shooter and terrorist manifestos. Either because they copied it from someone else or because they wrote it themselves.

And that's how extremism actually spreads beyond radicals. It isn't skinheads and swastika-tattooed neo-nazis that convince your nana that the great replacement theory is real.

I bring a lot of facts. I never refer to "the Jews". I speak of Israelis and Zionists, and the only reason I understand those latter groups at all is because I read Jewish intellectual opinion on them. I don't engage in specious conspiracy theories, and that's why you hate me so much, because I am the opposite of you and your propaganda which now is being seen by more people as completely empty.

What you believe in, some state who everyone thinks is benign and acting in good faith, is crumbling. And I'm loving it.

It's ALL conspiracies. Every war and every fold of history is actually the unfolding of or discovery of conspiracies. I talked about this applying to the American Civil War but it's really everything, It's what people do and the belief that people only blindly follow the mission statements of the institutions they work for is no longer sustainable. That model will not get you anywhere anymore. Our shared reality is disintegrating before our eyes, being pulled into threads which make no sense when separated.

Look at the speed at which the Kirk assassination official story is unraveling. It's incredible. And I'm not referring to the real truth values but the perceptions.

The idea that Biden staged a hot mic incident is ludicrous.

The hypocrisy that folks on both the left and right half toward Fuentes is so blatantly obvious. Yes he’s obviously said controversial bigoted things. So has Ben Shapiro a far right wing mega supporter of Israel, who said that Palestine should be ethnically cleansed …. And nothing happened to him. He got platformed by Fox News many times after saying that.

You can look at somebody like Van Jones from CNN who once said all white people have a virus. Nothing happened to him. He still has a job with CNN.

It’s really interesting that there are people in this thread who champion somebody like Ben Shapiro and then complain and complain some more about Nick Fuentes.

Shapiro, Fuentes, Van Jones and many more folks who still get platformed by Fox News, YouTube or CNN have said controversial things just as Fuentes has…. If one thinks that they are wrong then please provide a reason why. Not just the “you’re a racist” No provide a rebuttal with context to w/e statements they make. It’s actually quite easy to.

Nick Fuentes is a white supremacist and holocaust denier who by his own words in public speech wants to Jews to die in a holy war.

I'm uncertain as to why the existence of other a******s makes that a hypocritical statement, but you do you.

In Knights worldview, merely saying these things isn't enough. If the person isn't an outed active member of the KKK or Nazi party or whatever then they probably aren't racist

Or something, I dunno, it doesn't really make sense.

The point is quite straightforward. And that is the blatant hypocrisy of censorship wrt major platforms like Fox News, CNN and YouTube.

When Fox News platforms Ben Shapiro they should platform Nick Fuentes. As Fuentes now has followers numbering in the millions. And the viewer can decide to agree or disagree with the opinions being produced.

YouTube has gotten a little bit better, but they are still engaging in political censorship. And YouTube is an example of a major political platform.

In Fuentes last video he states all “funny hat” people need to be deported immediately, including but not limited to Chinese, Jews, Muslims.

And he states Hispanics can have Miami and blacks Atlanta, and all the other major cities should be given completely back to whites.

What are your thoughts on this? I kind of think he isn’t acknowledging how big the Hispanic population is, and unless most of them are deported too they should probably be given more than 1 city.

Also, as far as giving him a platform to have such discussions on CNN and Fox, do you think he should have his own show or have a segment on a preexisting one. And if the latter are there any you have in mind?

what do you like about what Fuentes says? Do you actually watch him and know what his message is? Or are you just trying to be an edgy boy?

It is a similar situation to Ben Shapiro being platformed by Fox News. And also being allowed to have a channel on YouTube, although he has called for the exact same thing for Palestinians to be transferred out(iow ethnic cleansing) of Palestine. If Fox News is going to platform Shapiro by that logic they should interview Fuentes…Fox also has a huge platform to Mark Levin, who many say is a frothing at the mouth bigot and yet he has his own show on Fox. Should Fuentes have a show …idk ? Prob would not bother me either way because I can look at what he is saying and agree or disagree on my own.

A lot of folks are debating whether or not Fuentes is controlled opposition or a fed… which is interesting.

I don’t Support a lot of what Fuentes has to say. And I find the hypocrisy and straight up bad faith of folks who are Ben Shapiro supporters but criticize Fuentes for what they say is racism or misogyny or whatever it may be….to be completely astounding.

I tend to agree with Tucker Carlson, who says that Fuentes effectively might be some form of controlled opposition or A fed….keyword might.

There’s a lot to look at here. And one thing that never helps are people who immediately resort to accusations of racism , one liners or posting a GIF instead of attempting to have a nuanced conversation.

As the saying goes A broken clock is right twice a day….. that goes for both Shapiro and Fuentes. And a whole lot of other people who have major political platforms on YouTube, Fox News and CNN and they’re not called racists or bigot or misogynist by anyone on the mainstream media. Again the hypocrisy is astounding.

As for bigotry…, there is obviously different levels going on here. The worst example would be somebody who uses violence to enforce their racial viewpoint. And perhaps below that would be folks who believe in segregation or refuse to give a job to somebody based on their skin color or religion. And then perhaps below that would be someone like Fuentes or Ben Shapiro, who have openly called for things like population transfers, who have criticized entire groups of people. Who have sad that one group of people has a lower IQ than another group…. But obviously for example, both Fuentes and Shapiro will sit in the same room at the same table with a Muslim or a Jew and have a conversation. Again, there is much more to this conversation and a lot more nuance and it’s always unfortunate when someone looks at one paragraph or one thing somebody says and immediately comes to the conclusion that they are a racist or something of that nature. And when I say they, I’m not talking about Ben Shapiro or Fuentes I’m talking about people who are attempting to understand their viewpoint and why it might be popular for example because clearly both Shapiro and Fuentes have a large following.

You ignored the question. Have you actually watched Fuentes? I’ve watched him quite frequently lately, especially to see what he was saying about Kirk, who he feuded with and was blacklisted by. I want to know if you actually like his message or you have no idea what he says and don’t watch him.

So in the interest of fairness, because of Shapiro opinions on a Foreign conflict, Fox News has an obligation to allow Fuentes to argue his suggestions for deporting and relocating millions of Americans based on ethnicity and religion?

What views of Fuentes and Shapiro do you think they may be right about “twice a day”

And although you state you personally don’t endorse Fuentes, you think Fox and YouTube have an obligation to platform him so people can decide for themselves on whether they agree with Fuentes argument to deport and relocate millions of Americans, correct?

I’m not sure he has ever watched fuentes. I think he’s just doing that thing low iq conservatives do where they assume that because someone is “censored” that they’re a truth teller.

mind you, it’s mostly the right that has let fuentes be “censored” because they’re the ones kicking him out of conferences and refusing to dialogue with him. it’s only been until recently he has been able to gain some traction on the right again, due to the insurgence of anti-israel views.

the original cancellation of fuentes was actually from a leak of a video from a right-wing leadership training fellowship, where fuentes said sleeping with black people is degenerate (which he stands by, this is detailed in his recent appearance on PBD pod). so he can take it up with them why they don’t want him around. even his hero carlson has tried to smear him with lies (there’s no indication Fuentes is either a fed or controlled opposition). and the people that love him do so because he’s a talented broadcaster despite his horrible views.

I might have watched more videos of Fuentes compared to you. I recently watched his interview on the PBD podcast.

Fuentes has many different positions on various topics. I already responded to you. Maybe you don’t like what’s being said that’s your problem. I know that he said “as a catholic I love everyone” so obviously I agree with that. Again I also said a broken clock is right twice a day. You’re kind of making a mountain out of a mole hill here on some of the points….idk seems like you’re looking for a gotcha moment or something dumb like that.

I obviously disagree with Fuentes saying that white people should only date white people. Or that certain groups of people have lower IQs compared to others which is also what Ben Shapiro believes.

Fuentes has contradicted himself at times. Saying well there’s already a lot of non-white people in America so they can stay. Again I wonder if he is controlled opposition, a fed or a shock jock

The point is quite simple and straightforward. Fox News, YouTube and CNN are hypocrites for refusing to platform certain people, including Fuentes

Those entities do not have an obligation to do anything. But their hypocrisy is undeniable.

The fact that they will sit down and have a conversation with a Muslim or a Jew. Although with Shapiro I believe he has refused to or made it difficult to have a debate with Candace Owen so that’s a problem.

But at least Shapiro has had conversations with Muslims on the Israel Palestine issue for example among other things.

Idk if you’re looking for a gotcha moment. I don’t really care. I don’t think you are, but I don’t know.

Major political platforms are going to do whatever they want. But anybody looking at this from an objective viewpoint can recognize the blatant hypocrisy of YouTube allowing Ben Shapiro to have a channel but not Fuentes.

Well I hope you could also criticize YouTube for platforming Ben Shapiro, who has called for Palestinians to be transferred out of Palestine. In other words ethnically cleansed.

Personally I think a major political platform like YouTube should allow voices from all sides of politics. I don’t know what you think about YouTube banning Fuentes… but if you support it by that logic you should call for YouTube to ban Ben Shapiro.

Instead of guessing what someone’s views are just ask. “Truth teller” lawl

I believe in equality. As a Catholic, I think that interracial marriage is a beautiful thing. So I disagree with a lot of what people like Fuentes and Shapiro have to say.

I don’t think that most Muslims are extremists. But Ben Shapiro does. I think that it’s wonderful when a white person marries a black person. Nick Fuentes doesn’t like that. Glad to clear that up….even though just a glimpse of my posting history shows that I celebrate diversity and have an incredible deal of respect for Judaism and Islam. Ask Dunyain for his thoughts on Islam. I have a number of times and he has not answered. That’s what’s called arguing in bad faith as I have answered all of his concerns and questions.

“videos”

do you mean cherrypicked clips from his show distributed by his legion of fans?

Calm down sparky. I asked you if you actually had watched Fuentes’ content. This was your full response:

You said nothing about what views you liked and you said nothing about how much you watched him. That’s why I had to ask the question again. It wasn’t a gotchya.