Israel/Palestine thread

Saying that it’s like nazi germany is just a lie.

Can anyone actually point to an incident where the IDF massacres 99% of a village?

That’s what the nazis did.

What the IDF has done is target places where Hamas is, and they’ve also had some incredible failures of crowd control.

Even if you believe it’s a genocide, the idea that it’s comparable to “year zero 1945-Nazi Germany” is either historically illiterate or a deliberate fabrication.

I usually don’t even read through what DuecesCrackman posts but his most recent tirade includes some outright lies. He states that Israelis are European settlers when the reality is ~65% of Israeli Jews are of non European descent, and many of their ancestors were recently expelled from areas throughout the Middle East. He goes on to claim Israel is raping up a storm? I doubt anyone reported his posts but I’m not sure how you think what he’s posting is benign and just hard truths that pro Israel people don’t want to hear.

I would not go around making the Nazi accusations. But you gotta understand that is just part of the discourse and it happens a lot too with Muslims like people who are pro Israel will sometimes refer to Muslims as Nazis or use terms like islamo nazism.

Perhaps it is just shock posting. People don’t have to call every bad person a Nazi. There are plenty of ideologies and groups of history that were just as bad as “Nazis.”

the Nazis were just another flavor of the typical genocidal Europeans who traveled the world for centuries to murder, steal, and enslave. the Nazis problem was that they turned their conquest on the Euros themselves and not on native populations outside of Europe. and then Hitler died for the sins of the Empire and washed its sins away. Israel, ofc, is just an extension of that European need for violent resource extraction.

It';s tough to tell exactly what's going on but it appears that the negotiations for a ceasefire are principally with the people in Qatar who Israel failed to murder. Netanyahu has apparently apologised for the attempt. It's further complicated because these people in Qatar don't seem to have any control over those in hamas who are holding the hostages.

I still think there's some chance of a ceasefire but I dont see how it ends well. Neither netanyahu or hamas are gong to stop activities. Plus as a lefty when I hear 'trump, netanyahu and blair' my main thought is 'where is the forth horsemen?'.

That's one way to say ''they bombed aid stations'' I guess.

POWs. the children and doctors that Israel abducts and rapes are hostages. not the genocidal foot soldiers.

I’m referencing the recent failures of the GHF in not being able to secure the humanitarian aid and reports of firing warning shots rather than using classic police crowd control tactics, not some narrative that you have in your head where Israel is constantly bombing people getting aid or whatever you believe.

A lot of mental gymnastics to justify bombing aid stations. If it makes you feel any better we can pretend they are indeed ''incredible failures of crowd control''.

You’re just talking about something different than me. Can you point me to what you’re referencing?

He's very well stacked

Also important to know that the administration in Israel asked Qatar to house Hamas for negotiations. And then they go and bomb Doha.

There’s a lot of nuances to look at here in this conversation when it comes to both sides.

So Trump gave Hamas an ultimatum and they gave him 2 middle fingers in response. Much like Putin, Xi and Modi.

Looking like this is going to be another TACO situation, except in this case Hamas is just going to “win” more deaths and destruction for the Palestinian people. Which they seem very fine with.

I am not even aware of Hamas propaganda making this claim. Seems to be something he completely made up.

Trump is lying ofc, they are going to continue the extermination as soon as the POWs are released. but Dun is wrong like usual.

Hamas is completely indifferent to what happens to the Palestinian people, and the rest of the world are not going to stop supplying Hamas with what they need to survive as an organization. So there is really nothing for Israel to do. They have zero leverage. They are as effectual as circumstances allow them to be.

This is equivalent to if at the end of WW2 the nazis decided to fight until the last German and the allies let neutral third parties keep supplying the nazis with aid and weapons, and dictate how aggressive they could be in invading Germany. And then it was declared the allies were ineffectual.

Of course if the game is rigged so you can’t win, you aren’t going to win.

Trump and the Qataris cut a deal, which is what the recent defense pact was all about.

And it looks like trump is going to expect Netanyahu to play ball. And he is going to expect Qatar to exert some influence over Hamas to make sure they comply.

Of course all the conspiracy theorists who claim Netanyahu and more generally the Jews are pulling the strings are going to ignore this sequence of events (like the 1000 before) and it won’t change their worldview at all.

Trump always lies about this stuff. I’ll believe it once Hamas actually releases hostages.

Hamas will release the POWs and then Israel will go back to slaughtering.

Israel was founded and shaped by European Jews. The rise of the Mizrahim came later. The Ashkenazim are still a ruling class.

What prompted them to immigrate to Israel?

Regardless, this is irrelevant to what DueceCeackhead was saying and implying. You’re smart enough to know this Bill. Don’t play dumb.

A lot of the land initially settled by European Jews was bought legally, often land that no one else wanted.

A step in the right direction. Bibi the yahoo should be careful with his next play.