Out of the top 6 winners at GGPoker 200NL 4 are the same bot

a cheater would notice a cheater first but that's no reason to ignore one! Calling me wrong for not knowing the existed of a new way people our cheating is a take for sure when everything else I said was siding with him.
From my experience mass reports don't really work that well anyway. It took my community 9 months of mass reporting and emailing them to do anything about an 11 bot ring. The only power we actually have to fight bots is community pressure which from my experience is very weak and near pointless because everyone is only interested in self interest like op. guy has not posted in the 11 other bot threads for example. and thats fine nothing wrong with that but just explaining the problem.

Man someone deleted a post and now I look like im talking to myself again XD

You are actually wrong on that. There seems to be a way to access handhistories......or a site like BlueTableRatings wouldn't exist.

I also saw a screenshots from someone using a actual hud (hand2note) on ggpoker.

I also saw content where the creator had all hands played on ggpoker for his mda content in hand2note.
You can also buy full handhistories online if you want to.

The site have to be the dream for the botrings.
A lot of traffic in micro/smallstakes games
No kyc for cashing out on some ggpoker plattforms (china?)
Get Fresh accounts with good pvi every week for the full rakeback
All pooldata in h2n for their bot programms
Jackpots and leaderboards all good for high volume maschines
No data open for the general public like smarthand

The general public also dont seems to care.
Only a few handfull of connected regs

ya i know I agree. but like a now deleted post said some things about that. generally the people who know about this stuff are not on the level a legit player like me of course would have no knowledge of this . but the main point is its still harder to implement on bots and not everyone would have access to that data . but im glad to be informed for my future bot hunting

Whether they are bots or not. Its good to inform a pokersite about suspicions. Always.
Thats why I still dont get why GG is informed but iPoker, ACR & Ignition aren't.
Especially since its the same bot. Just copy-paste the email and send it to them as well.
If for instance iPoker doesnt great detective work and bans those players you also would have a stronger case towards GG about your bot-suspicion being correct

I haven't studied the game of the nicknames mentioned, but Serpanika clearly has something wrong; I don't know if he's a bot or a superuser.

Unfortunately, GG doesn't take the necessary action. I've reported some players for RTA, and the site has never banned them. As someone wrote here, they simply send an email saying they'll investigate, but nothing happens.

Example: the last player I reported, who continues to play:

let me guess, you think he is a super user because he seems to always bet the right spots with right sizings?, and when you call down he has a super thin value hand ?, yeah...., he isnt super user, its just how the bots works, they pre solve the hands with exploits, also, GJ detecting that RTA, i never think about that.

Sorry about making you sound crazy, my language towards OP was too confrontational and I regretted posting it, so decided to take it down 😀

It actually surprised me, but there are R&C HHs being sold, in sites where I can tell you the regular table ones are 100% legit.

I knew people were buying hands on normal easy to get hand sites like stars I caught a cheater who accidently posted his bought sample and it was hilarious . but gg has some barriers so i was hoping that was stopping people. Infact that datamining site someone mentioned is new. like new new a couple months old so it could even be a very new thing.

Also I don't imagine bots would be fair checkable. They would run separate from gto wizard that would be way to obvious. if you correctly fair checked someone I would use that as evidence they are not a bot

I recognize almost all these profiles as I have played lots of hands against them at 100nl. They are certainly all strong players with overlapping characteristics, in terms of playing style and nationalities. I believe from Russia, Montenegro, Belarus, Kazakhstan maybe some other countries. I would tend to believe OP can see something from their stats that look a little off. I don't think most of them are super hard leaderboard grinders and if cheating, are probably trying to stay below the radar.
It's certainly suspicious if nobody from these accounts respond to the thread, as surely one of them would speak English and be aware of twoplustwo.

If they are from Russia, Montenegro, Belarus & Kazakhstan the chances that they read this and comprehend it is very very slim
Perhaps on the gypsy forum these names are more known
Then again, not every 100nl player is part of the 'community'

I don't bother with online poker. Between the bots and RTA, shady sites like GG and ACR, and people in low cost of living countries happy making $5/hour, it isn't worth it.

Yea we all hate those opponents making $5/hour 😃

You can't even make much at low stakes, as there are grinders making $5/hour in eastern Europe, Latin American, etc.

I am sure there are but these assumed bots are playing 200nl on average

Hi!
The situation with bots on GG is always the same. I also managed to identify a group of bots in my discipline that played for a very long time — and they were later banned.
Now, from what I’ve observed, bot operators are using accounts from **Brazil**. There are lots of new Brazilian accounts playing aggressively and jumping straight into 200+ limits.

I don’t use mining tools, so I don’t have as precise data as you do.

For anyone who still doubts it, I recommend rereading my thread and trying to find even one account from that list still active today.

Bots are now, unfortunately, an integral part of online poker. In many cases, they even benefit the rooms, since a room (or certain managers within it) can run bots themselves, gaining double profit — from the bots’ own winnings and from the rake they generate.

Good luck and thank you for your work!

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/di...

you give literally zero factual information. players can play however they want, they can 3b whatever ranges they want, they can play whatever stats they want. unless you have irrefutable, definitive, information and statistic backed proof, this is just more pitchfork bullshit. put some actual information in the post if you wanna be taken seriously imo, i'm not saying it doesn't happen but this post is just trash.

maybe you don't need to reply to a thread from high volume users about bots on GG when all you do is play microstakes on WPTgold

but yes, I am sure players are going to be quick to listen to your great advice and will never ever discuss bots again unless they have all the evidence necessary and ready to take it to a court of law

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You've pretty told me the same even though I play midstakes as well. Is that your common rebuttal? Say they should sticks to low stakes and hope that you're right. Because the strategy of "hope that i am right" is very much in play in this whole thread.

Grexo called out bots and RackCity called it unfactual...
Lets see the points Grexo used to "conclude" that players were bots:

I mean cmon. This is so razorthin it would apply to a huge amount of normal players as well. I guess throwing bot accusations around is all fun and games until your account gets closed for botting. And who knows... it might. Maybe you havent replied in the chat for a while 🙂

you are right, but, just what happened recently, recently i reported all these accounts i said, the type 1 bot accounts seems to either got banned, or, got the account locked for investigation, but, some of the other accounts are still playing, now, i have irrefutable proof of the type 1 bot accounts beeing the same bot, but, the others i dont have irrefutable proof, because, its impossible to have irrefutable proof unless they are the same bot, but, the same way i noticed the type 1 were bots, i found the other ones, the exact same way...., but, with your logic, next batch of bots, if they only use 1 of each type, it would be impossible to detect then, but, there would still be many of then....

sir, how do you know that those bots aren't operated by the exchanges themselves?

its not worth it, they are making 12bb/100 of rake from everyone at every table, it doesnt make sense for then to have an extra 20 accounts botting since they already have thousands without doing any of that.

good stuff buddy. up over $10k this month at microstakes, not too worried bout your opinion. prolly 'bots' everywhere in the games i play too, not worried about that either, because i don't have proof or a single verifiable way of knowing (just like OP). there's literally zero facts in the op, just a bunch of speculation. i think i will actually post more now that you mention it.

lol, i thought you were talking to the other guy who posted the omaha stuff, yeah, i have zero clue on who is a bot or not, but somehow, out of pure luck i got at least 50 accounts banned so far, yeah, maybe i should start beting at the lottery or something, because 90% of the accounts i report with zero evidence gets banned out of pure luck .