Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Crazy what can be achieved with some old fashioned slave labor.
Is the number of Instagram photos taken in a city a meaningful metric for something now?
We have TheKight investigating Instagram likes and Pompeus looking into Candace Owen’s follower count. It’s a wonder you guys haven’t solved the conflict already.
Paul Rogers, Emeritus Professor of 'Peace Studies' at Bradford University (not a very prestigious position) says 'six Hiroshimas', assuming a total of 70,000 tons of ordnance delivered by last May and assuming a blast yield of 12 kilotons for the Hiroshima bomb.
It’s purposefully misleading rhetoric.
Paul Rogers, Emeritus Professor of 'Peace Studies' at Bradford University (not a very prestigious position) says 'six Hiroshimas', assuming a total of 70,000 tons of ordnance delivered by last May and assuming a blast yield of 12 kilotons for the Hiroshima bomb.
Also notable that atomic bombs, even low yield ones like Hiroshima, have significant nuclear fallout that can continue to damage health for much longer after they have been detonated (which I’m sure conventional bombs may as well, but it’s at least not apples to apples).
This is an old issue -- Israel refusing to turn over bodies to Palestinian families to punish and humiliate them. There are special graveyards for these bodies. From 2017:
As opposed to the Arab countries Israel is fighting that dont do this? That of course was sarcasm, as it is well known Israel's enemies hold Israeli bodies for leverage. And even go so far as to try to ambush Israeli border patrols for the specific reason of trying to capture an Israeli soldier, dead or alive, to use as leverage in future negotiations.
Apparently, unlike you I am old enough to remember that Israel made a big deal about recapturing the body of a soldier that Hezbollah took in 1982; and while we speak Israel and the current Syrian regime are in very slow moving negotiations over the body of an Israeli spi executed in 1965, that Syria has been holding as leverage since then.
Bill is either incredibly uninformed or incredibly dishonest.
Its just standard level one thinking >side 1 does this and on the surface its bad. but lets not consider their pov and why they might do this., (in this case hold bodies) In this case they are holding them to negotiate for their deceased and or the enemies are just not ready to receive them yet because they are recovering from a devastating war and currently are infighting for control but its mostly the former
When you already have a desired outcome you don't go beyond level one when that level one suits you. people on both the extreme left and right do this most as they have idealist views and want the world to be perfect so can only see perfect solutions (which can't exist so they make them up). center folks are more realists
So Israel has killed 2 Hamas members who tried to infiltrate the parts of Northern Gaza currently not under Hamas control. Which Hamas acknowledged. Seems Israel's plan is to work with the militia/clans currently controlling North Gaza to keep Hamas out.
And Israel's intention seems to be to do this until Hamas disarms and hands over control of the strip to the transition force. Of course Israel and Hamas know that Hamas has no intention of doing this. So it looks like Gaza has essentially been dividing into 2 territories, one controlled by Hamas and one by Israel and allied militias.
Of course this only works if Israel and the clans are effective in keeping Hamas agents out and from committing terrorist acts on the population there. But I guess even that isn't so bad for Israel, as it would give them leverage to attack Hamas directly in response.
On one hand, you have CNN and Fox News propping up Netanyahu . On the other hand, you have alternative media on YouTube and X which is watched by millions more people.
You have Pro Netanyahu Israel first People like Mark Levin who basically nobody is paying attention to on Fox News on the weekends. Otoh Tucker Carlson has amassed tens of millions of followers after leaving Fox News. the good guys are winning.
It’s gotten to the point where there is nothing that the trolls can do. Their attempts to shut down Carlson, Candace Owens, Glenn Greenwald, Dave Smith and others has failed spectacularly. And it’s in large part because they provide no context at all to their argument …it’s “ Nazi! “Racist!” Practically nothing else
Yay ok go sit down Ben Shapiro fan boys.
People sometimes ask why there's no Palestinian Gandi or MLK.
His name is Marwan Barghouti and he's rotting in Israeli dungeons.
People sometimes ask why there's no Palestinian Gandi or MLK.
His name is Marwan Barghouti and he's rotting in Israeli dungeons.
Gandi and MLK never murdered anyone. So you'll need to keep looking for your guy.
Correct, I'm glad that you finally accept that Ukraine is totally right with the eradication of Russian pig ****ers.
never had a problem with Ukrainians that want to fight the invasion. I do have a problem with slave catchers rounding up all the men and forcing them to die at the front so that Zelensky and other comprador oligarchs can get rich doing the West's bidding. notice how Hamas does not "conscript" fighters and force them to die for a foreign power.
Imagine hating OlIgaRcHs but dreaming of being Putin's toilet paper.
Armed resistance is also not how Gandi and MLK rolled.
lol, you would have been the first to **** on MLK or Ghandi if you were around back then, who are you kidding with this.
Gandhi was in bed with the Brits (and young kids btw. probably related to the first thing I said tbh they dont call it nonce island for nothing) and MLK was assassinated by the gov so I dont really think they are the best examples of how to win these things.
The claims made against Barghouti by the Israeli authorities are, to say the least, contested. He has always said that terrorist actions inside pre-1967 Israel are not legitimate, but that attacks on the IDF in the West Bank (which is under illegal military occupation -- just ask the UN Security Council about that) are legitimate, and his position would appear to be correct in international law and is historically recognised as such by, for instance, the UK government.
I wonder which judicial system you trust more between trump or bibi administration ?
Just because a jury was convinced of a conspiracy theory doesn't mean we have to agree with them.
A jury was also persuaded that OJ was innocent.
Gandhi was in bed with the Brits (and young kids btw. probably related to the first thing I said tbh they dont call it nonce island for nothing) and MLK was assassinated by the gov so I dont really think they are the best examples of how to win these things.
Gandhi was also horribly racist. No one ever talks about that tho. not really something you should be aiming for. and he did do some weird **** with his young relatives
