British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
Again, really consider it a stretch to regard the beebs as a right wing mouthpiece, and that's being kind, but whatever floats your proverbial boat.
Just let him rant on about his current thing. He'll soon get bored and go back to attacking Jews on the Israel/Palestine thread.
Israelis, not Jews, and that was antisemitic of you to conflate the two. It's all we've come to expect from Elracist.
I'm sure we'd all love to hear you explain why you have literally thousands of posts criticising "Israelis" in the I/P thread while on the other hand, you have a grand total of 8 posts in the Russia/Ukraine thread (None of those posts are critical of Russia and most of your ire is reserved for America).
So, what is so special about "Israelis" that they deserve thousands of posts criticising them, while you literally have nothing to say about Russia?
Spoiler
It's because Jews
There are far better online places to debate the war in Ukraine than with people in that terrible thread who couldn’t even place Ukraine on a map a few years ago, and you drawing an equivalence between a war between two armed nations and a one sided genocide is typically stupid.
This is the UK politics thread. If you want to debate the war in Ukraine please do it in the appropriate place. Likewise with the genocide in Gaza.
Streeting is just a photocopy of a photocopy of Starmer, where a picture of Gollum was left behind the first copy and bled into the copying process a bit.
He's a twat too.
Agreed, but it’s hard to deny his only asset, communication skills, which to some will make him a more convincing leader.
God help us though.
No, you’re far right. CV is merely right wing, though like most right wing people and no left wingers he will probably say he’s “neither left nor right”.
You're correct, I'm neither. Some things I agree with re the left, some things re the right. Boring as it may sound I'm middle of the road.
Just let him rant on about his current thing. He'll soon get bored and go back to attacking Jews on the Israel/Palestine thread.
Yeah I really can't be arsed arguing the issue with him at this point. He'll think what he likes.
Not really, but I found it odd for 57 to focus more on the alleged blue haired nose ring aspect than the once cherished and widely respected BBC and its editorial independence completing its transformation into a far right mouthpiece thanks to Robbie Gibb.
I doubt that Gibb is all that important, even if he thinks he is. He's of course a target for Left anti-semites because he used to part-own the Jewish Chronicle, though he resigned as a director a year ago. His position on the BBC board is now possibly shaky, though there's no particular reason why a Conservative shouldn't be there among the rest. Former Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger just retweeted the bizarre, paranoid flow chart apparently intended to show that Gibb is responsible for all that is evil in the modern world, without the least notion that such flow charts are a meme for general craziness.
That's not right. Gibb was mainly responsible for the departure of Maitlis and Goodall because they were libs.
You haven't woken up to the fact that it isn't traditional Conservative values that are being promoted - it's National Front values - and like a lot of the country you're sleepwalking into a complete disaster.
^^
I mean… aren’t you the guy who said Israel wouldn’t commit genocide and look how that optimism worked out for you.
They haven't committed genocide nor are they committing it now and there's already a thread on Israel Palestine where this was explained to you umpteen different times by umpteen different people, so I'm not indulging your dead horse flogging of it here on this thread either.
And your NF/Sleepwalking into a nightmare melodramatics does indeed have you coming across as a doomsayer publicly shouting at clouds, while passers by pretend not to notice your cloud shouting.
You can't credible dismiss the accusation or claim it's settled because of what has been explain in that thread. Here's a quick AI overview of serious bodies that don't think it's so easily settled.
Multiple organizations, governments, and experts have accused Israel of committing genocide in Gaza
. An ongoing case is before the International Court of Justice (ICJ), brought by South Africa in December 2023, which alleges that Israel's military actions are genocidal in character. Israel has repeatedly denied these allegations.
Below are some notable entities that have made such claims:
International and regional bodies
UN Commission of Inquiry: Reported finding "clear indications" of genocide by Israel in Gaza in September 2025.
UN Special Rapporteur: Concluded in a March 2024 report that there were "reasonable grounds" to believe Israel was committing genocide.
International Court of Justice (ICJ): In a preliminary ruling in January 2024, the court found genocide claims "plausible" and ordered Israel to prevent genocidal acts. The case is ongoing.
Human rights organizations
Amnesty International: Concluded in December 2024 that Israel was committing genocide in Gaza.
Israeli rights groups: B'Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights-Israel stated in July 2025 that Israel is committing genocide.
Center for Constitutional Rights (US): A legal analysis in October 2023 claimed a credible case for genocide could be made.
Palestinian human rights organizations: In a November 2023 joint statement, Al-Haq, the Palestinian Center for Human Rights, and Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights warned of a "clear risk of genocide".
Academics and genocide scholars
International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS): Passed a resolution in September 2025 stating Israel's actions "meet the legal definition of genocide".
Holocaust and genocide scholars: Several prominent scholars have labeled Israel's actions a "textbook case of genocide" or highlighted genocidal rhetoric.
Historian Ilan Pappé: Has described Israel's actions as a "slow-motion genocide" and argues that "genocide is the only appropriate way to describe what the Israeli army is doing" in Gaza.
There are far better online places to debate the war in Ukraine than with people in that terrible thread who couldn’t even place Ukraine on a map a few years ago, and you drawing an equivalence between a war between two armed nations and a one sided genocide is typically stupid.
Loving the idea that you think the I/P thread on 2+2 is some kind of intellectual hotbed to debate the conflict, as opposed to just another place you have found where you can anonymously shout at Jews and share anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
That's not right. Gibb was mainly responsible for the departure of Maitlis and Goodall because they were libs.
You haven't woken up to the fact that it isn't traditional Conservative values that are being promoted - it's National Front values - and like a lot of the country you're sleepwalking into a complete disaster.
LOL. Your nation has MPs winning elections based on a platform of religious tribalism and views on a sectarian conflict 5,000 miles away Britain is barely involved in. You think those seats are ever going to vote for an actual British party again? Think again. Once ethnic/religious sectarianism becomes normalized like it has in your nation it becomes permanent, especially with the demographic change your country is rapidly going through. It only gets worse from here.
Due to its leadership's immigration policies and complacency towards Islamic extremism and sectarianism, Britain is basically speed walking itself into becoming Lebanon 2.0. Britain is a disaster in the making, but not for the reasons you think.
Due to its leadership's immigration policies and complacency towards Islamic extremism and sectarianism, Britain is basically speed walking itself into becoming Lebanon 2.0. Britain is a disaster in the making, but not for the reasons you think.
You do talk quite a lot of nonsense.
Mandelson photographed leaving George Osborne's house late at night.
As George Carlin said, it's a big club and you ain't in it.
Was that entirely the BBC's fault
I pointed out during brexit that no pro EU MEPS were standing up and arguing for our EU membership. ~No-one could name any of them but could name 3 or 4 MEPS campaigning hard to leave
I seriously doubt they were being silenced.
Sounds like BBC as an organisation is similar to our equivalent of the ABC
Some facts about London crime:
The absolute number of murders in London is the second-lowest since 1990. The 12-month rolling average is the lowest since this data was first provided (1989).
To measure knife crime, we can look at actual harm: "assault by sharp object" hospital admissions. These admissions are at a 12-year low.
Racism, sexism, power struggles and rows over money - just another normal day for Jezbollah
Says the guy who has already made several anti-Jewish posts in the I/P thread before he's even had breakfast.
