KK facing reg's LRR

Why didn't you just say you were playing gobbledygook? 😂

This is either AA or bullshit. If it's AA I don't want to raise. If it's bullshit I want to let him keep betting it.

Might consider a turn/river fold if I don't think V is capable of double/triple barrelling.

against gobble just call and see what happens postflop. hes folding worse if you 4b.

you might be able to get away on some boards too in case he has AA.

We're getting odds to setmine, lol.

It is 1/2, but I want to go a little higher than 20 vs 5-way "reg", limped-pot action. Doesn't change things, ofc. 222bb is right where I start frowning about getting coolered pf. So call, and see what happens on the flop.

We're probably still getting it in ofc.

I'd jam.

We're never folding KK if he's not an OMC.

Raise to 125. If V 5bets, I would call unless he’s an OMC. You want to get in your stack with KK. It’s 1/2. Vs call with worse. Shove all flops without an ace.

Why do you think V is a decent reg? Does he 3bet light? Unless you are very good like gg, I don’t think you can ever win limping AKo. I’ve never see anyone except gg posting a sophisticated limping strategy on 2+2.

Many normal signs, but more than anything his betting/raising frequency post is not indicative of someone who is easily exploitable for large amounts.

I am not trying to suggest that his limping strategy is sophisticated or profitable, just that it is likely uncapped and that from reads at this point, I highly doubt this is "AA or nothing" or something silly like that. Without a strong anti-fish read, the default assumption tends to be that limps are weak and capped, except for a LRR being AA. Hero has seen enough from this V to know better.

just click it back, then we know for sure. Most of the time what appears to be an unusual spot to limp-rr is just what someone else sees happening at the table. Maybe he has history with the other players, maybe you gave off some kind of tell, regardless it's never some stone bluff so he probably just has AA. His sizing is pretty sketch but if he's not the type to be scared of getting outdrawn then I can get behind it. I dont really like setmining with KK since it's going to be next to impossible to fold when the flop comes 722. But if he min5bets us or something pre then it's like ok nh nh, lets move on.

I'm flatting at this depth, not 100% sure I want to play gg OOP though.

id flat, would just approach like he opened from ep and u 3b and he 4b. prob 5b is ok but i think he will mostly just fold unless you're behind. seems like he will spew more if u flat

I split my EP range to sometimes limp and sometimes raise based on game conditions. If this guy plays anything like me or GG he will be far wider than aces, as he already showed with his AK limp.

I think 222 bb is on the cusp of where gii with kings starts to be spewy. I would call the 50 and proceed with caution, though I can’t fault you for 4b or shoving.

It's a little bit interesting here, since I am raising my option from the BB probably tighter than any other position over his limp, but with all the other limpers I am raising wider and less polar than a BB vs LJ 3-bet range. I do also exploitatively open-limp in some conditions so I was cognizant that I might look a bit like V to myself, and my ordinary range to back-raise is something like TT+/AQ+ plus some A5s/ATs+/KQs depending on the players' tendencies, but might tighten up vs BB.

I considered flatting at the table although mostly rejected it, perhaps influenced by a small bit of tilt over being down on the session and wanting to go for all the money. In practice, I really don't think he is folding that much as I almost never see anyone folding enough versus 4b which is probably where he sees this. He's no obvious fish but as mentioned I think he's still a bit too loose pre. People usually 3b excited to GII with their marvelous hand and have a really hard time tossing it away.

Anyway, I opted to raise again, to $150. Villain calls, heads up to a flop of T64 monotone, no love for Hero's suits...

Flop ($301): Th 6h 4h

$294 back, so SPR is almost exactly 1.

I'll hold off posting the rest of the result for a little bit but this is at least a simple spot to solve from here. Flatting the raise would definitely lead to a very different hand, and I assume the callers are checking range here?

The plan is to 4! and stack-off vs a jam.

In defense of my suggestion to jam pre...

If V were an OMC and limp-3B using this small size, I might actually fold.

Since V is described as a decent reg, albeit one who has a preflop strat which entails some open limps and open raises, I'm inclined to think his open-limp-3B small with five other limpers behind him range is going to be made up of some hands that are basically mid.

Like, maybe he shows up with 55-88, AQo, AJo, ATo, KQo, QJs, and maybe some other "I want to play but let's not go too crazy" type of hands. When we look at that range, there are a lot of hands that want to see a flop, and will call off a small 4B.

But when we 4B-jam, it can look bluffier than when we just 4B to a small size, because that looks like we want action, or are hoping he'll 5B. If we 4B-jam, we might have AK/AQs, especially when he 3B's for a small size. He might level himself into calling with the top part of his range, thinking he's slightly ahead and flipping at worst.

We're OOP and playing over 200BB deep, and we'll be playing with a pretty face-up range on the flop. V may be happy to put in another $100 and play the rest of the hand IP, knowing pretty well what our range looks like, and that he'll be able to play perfectly on most board textures.

When we 4B small and he calls, other than flopping a set, what are we hoping for, when any flop might smash his range? The way to punish this V for his silly pre-flop strat is to 4B-jam and put him to the ultimate test for all the money. If he wants to torch by calling, great. If he folds after putting $50 in with some piece of cheese, that's also fine.

interesting spot for him pre tbh

think its like b20 spot but will solve in a bit. if u want to guess ranges can run them

Honestly this board isn't the worst. But it does illustrate why I don't like 4B'ing to a small size versus V's line of limp-3B small. I'm expecting him to call another $100 when he's being laid 2:1 pre and will get to play the rest of the hand IP.

With an over-pair and 1 SPR, I think we can jam and not think about it too hard, if the alternative is checking and being put in the blender when he bets, or letting all his BS with 1 heart take a free card.

I have no idea what we should do if we flat the 3B pre, check, and V c-bets, for what I'd expect to be a small size. On the one hand, our hand is super-under-repped, but on the other...yuck, WTF, dealer?

It seems like it's on the fence between small bet and jam, and definitely bets small more when given b20 versus b33.

IP range I used in one example (really don't feel like he folds drastically more than this):

versus slightly simplistic H 4b:

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(b20/b33/ai)

Pretty indifferent to bet sizings although it likes to shove KK no heart and pair with AK one heart. Adding in more suited Broadway combos to IP favors the small size and tilting more toward just big pairs and a few big Broadway combos favors shoving pure.

I don't think this makes much sense when you consider the range you assign him and the fact we're 200bb deep.

First of the jam is entirely too big but that's not a big deal, the lack of logic seems to be that his range could be something like ''55-88, AQo, AJo, ATo, KQo, QJs, and maybe some other "I want to play but let's not go too crazy" type of hands'' but he will also call a shove for 175bb with the top of that range hoping he's slightly ahead/flipping? Not a chance.

If his range is that wide and I think the range you assigned seems fair, shoving is the worst option.

Not sure what this means tbh. Any flop might smash his range? So?

Jam pre is fine, $110 is also fine, call is kinda ****, $150 is also kinda ****.

As played I'd be betting flop really small, like $60 tbh.

yeah is odd one. the more i look at the hand for him the more i think its similar to a sqz situation from his end in the sense that the wrong guy raised and if he calls it goes 4 ways w him sandwiched.

i think hes unlikely to make a mistake vs jam otf, at least one that benefits you (i think he may inappropriately fold some pairs) so i think id b20 and expect some level of spaz / mistakes from a guy whos likely unfamiliar with this node / line / complexity

how r u gonna get outplayed at spr 1 lol

this is an area where i'm admittedly unsure of myself

however, what gives me my largest advantage in poker is i play a tighter range than my opponents but not a range too tight where people can just auto fold to me

we lose this advantage when we decide to play for stacks with >100bb with KK or worse

AA and AK are the only two hands I'm happily getting it in >100bb - specifically because otherwise we run into AA very frequently

for this reason, i've never understood the kind of people, some of whom who are good players, who are all too happy to get it in with QQ or KK - which in a vacuum are rarely good hands once the river is dealt

even if you catch the guy with his pants down and he doesn't have AA, you still lose to a random ace about a third of the time

but... most of the time this is going to be AA - importantly - there's no squeeze play here, no piles of dead money that would incentivize a fancy play - he's never bluffing here, maybe he was worse than KK but it won't be significantly worse

if it's not AA then good for him - i'm happy to fold this one preflop and avoid the uncertainty that you obviously went through post flop on this one - you're only in for $20, your max gain here if he's doing some weird fancy is keeping your 20 and gaining his 50, which is not really that much considering the losses if you get stacked

yes this is nitty, but we're not interested in playing rock paper scissors for stacks now are we, we want situations where we are more certain and in control to best utilize our advantage over others who've never studied the game

You’d stick it in with AK but not KK cause blocker? How many bb would you put in with AK?

i r still convinced most of the forum spends more time posting than playing on a yearly basis

Anything other than call pre is pretty bad imo.

It's nearly 2026 and we still have some votes for "raise to find out where you're at?"

We have odds to set mine vs AA and he probably will pay us since we could have AK and might have raised KK. However if he jams over our raise we lose that.

If he is bluffing we win the minimum.

If he has a hand like QQ alarm bells should now be going off in his head. If anything, we are probably less likely to stack him. He might fold pre.

Also, if it is AA vs KK it's a lot more possible to avoid getting stacked should you call.

I had a similar hand to this, though it was me utg vs a nitty player utg+1. He checked the river on a dry board cuz a q came.

AP. We've bloated the pot OOP. If I'm V I'm probably flatting aces pre here. So you're really in a mess.

So, if we are ahead...

If v has AK he is probably done. No reason to check and let him get an ace.

JJ or QQ should be very nervous so I guess we can just make small bets that "force" them to call down.

You might be able to take a weird line like bet small flop. Snap check turn and watch what he does.

Most Vs are probably too afraid of losing a huge pot on a bad beat to check AA OTT. But they won't be like "oh JJ is the nuts obviously, im relaxedly insta jamming with my chest puffed out, already counting my profits."

Checking turn might also level him into calling river with worse if it goes check check. But there is also a risk of an ace coming allowing him to fold worse.

These things are going to vary based on player type, game norms and so on.