Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Again. No one is going to contest Hamas or force them to disarm. And Israel isn’t going to go along with a situation like the border with Lebanon where international forces come in just to support and act as human shield for Hamas.
So this is completely meaningless unless Qatar and Turkey pull the plug on Hamas, which they aren’t going to do.
I agree it's not a concrete plan but no one has one of those so it's not a strong criticism. I do think the only correct approach to hamas is to create an alternative which this may lead to. It may also be the beginning of it being taken out of Isreal's hands which is necessary imo
And as the old joke containing a big truth goes about difficult directions goes: 'I'd start from somewhere else'. This may lead to somewhere else.
Edit: Please don't confuse this with me being very hopeful. The situation is ****ed up and the current key players are awful. That's all give for now though so the conversation is relative to that
When will you make some artful insults? You sound like a particularly dim frat boy.
I agree it's not a concrete plan but no one has one of those so it's not a strong criticism. I do think the only correct approach to hamas is to create an alternative which this may lead to. It may also be the beginning of it being taken out of Isreal's hands which is necessary imoAnd as the old joke containing a big truth goes about difficult directions goes: 'I'd start from
Only if the world has the fortitude and wherewithal to make sure Gaza doesn't end up controlled by Islamist militias aligned with Israel's enemies, with thousands of rockets pointed at Israel. Israel will not, and should not, let it go back to that.
Same thing for the border with Lebanon.
I'm assuming israel will never decide or agree to let it go of out of their hands until it's effectively gone.
I'm assuming israel will never decide or agree to let it go of out of their hands until it's effectively gone.
I suspect absolutely nothing is going to happen with the UN resolution or any real steps toward Palestinian statehood.
The main decision makers in the UN, humanitarian organizations, and Palestinian Leadership are too motivated to keep the status quo going.
The truth is the entire UN Palestinian operation is just a giant grift operation, and everyone hands are in the cookie jar.
In order for anything to meaningfully change, these grifters need to all be cut off by the US, Europe and gulf states. And for the incentive structures to be reimagined, so Palestinian leadership and international actors aligned with them are actually incentived to form a state living peacefully besides Israel.
And for political reasons I don’t ever see this happening.
https://x.com/HeerJeet/status/1990865938...
this is yet another statement where if an anti-Zionist made they same points the would get canceled for being antisemitic.
its definitely the most unhinged thing I have heard today.
https://x.com/HeerJeet/status/1990865938...this is yet another statement where if an anti-Zionist made they same points the would get canceled for being antisemitic.its definitely the most unhinged thing I have heard today.
Lol. Someone makes semi-reasonable points, but they are a Jew.
Victor: “The most unhinged thing I’ve heard today!”
lol she literally said that people learned the wrong things from Holocaust education because it makes them oppose the "big strong Israeli" wreaking "carnage" on "emaciated Palestinians."
like, what is right lesson from the Holocaust then? that its ok when Israel does it? (obviously thats what she and Zionists believe). she even laments that Holocaust education raises awareness of anti-black racism. and this women was a speechwriter for Obama lol. its so deranged.
lol she literally said that people learned the wrong things from Holocaust education because it makes them oppose the "big strong Israeli" wreaking "carnage" on "emaciated Palestinians."like, what is right lesson from the Holocaust then? that its ok when Israel does it? (obviously thats what she and Zionists believe). she even laments that Holocaust education raises awareness
She is saying that young people are getting a simplistic white vs black perspective from Holocaust education which accurately depicts your worldview of white colonizer against helpless brown people.
I don’t think she is lamenting that Holocaust education raises awareness of anti-black racism. It’s strange that you would think that given she never said such a thing. Maybe you can say she laments that people make uneducated equivalencies between white versus black racism in America with Antisemitism.
I can’t say what she thinks the right lesson from the Holocaust is because the video cuts out midway. Have you listened to her entire segment or just this cherry-picked part? Personally, I’ve never heard of this person.
what do you think she meant by this?
you can watch the whole thing if you want but I cant think of a context where those comments arent utterly psychopathic. but who she is doesnt really matter, this is standard thinking for all Zionists.
I can’t say what she thinks the right lesson from the Holocaust is because the video cuts out midway.
she literally says it here
she claims it is meant to teach about antisemitism. and to people like her, we know that antisemitism and anti-Zionism are one in the same. she is saying that a primary purpose of holocaust education is to teach people to support Israel.
I don’t see anything psychopathic about suggesting that antisemitism and anti black racism in America are two separate entities that should each be viewed individually. You’re the one equating antisemitism to antizionism and you seem to be making a lot of simple assumptions about what she’s suggesting. It’s hard for me to know “what people like her” means when this is the only time I’ve ever heard of her. To each their own.
You may be right that her ultimate point comes back around to supporting Israel, but I doubt the underlying premise of her argument is that Holocaust education’s primary purpose is to drum up support for Zionism. Maybe the bigger picture where Jews were forcefully expelled from multiple regions of the world and largely went to Israel trying to escape persecution. But I don’t think she’s suggesting that this is an inherently Jewish story that can’t apply to non-Jews or Israelis.
I don’t see anything psychopathic about suggesting that antisemitism and anti black racism in America are two separate entities that should each be viewed individually.
its not an anodyne comparison. she is saying that the suffering of Jews matters more. thats Zionism aka Jewish Supremacism.
. You’re the one equating antisemitism to antizionism
I personally dont make that equivalence. but she does and so does Zionism in general. look at the ADL and all of these so-called antisemitism watchdog groups. look at the IHRA definition of antisemitism that has been adopted by many countries, schools, and institutions.
de facto, they are the same at this point. only in an academic or theoretical sense is there a distinction.
It’s hard for me to know “what people like her” means when this is the only time I’ve ever heard of her.
people like her just means people who support Israel. we heard the same thing from Mets and Rafki. you can probably look up the discussion on if "never again" means no more genocide or if it just means Jews.
But I don’t think she’s suggesting that this is an inherently Jewish story that can’t apply to non-Jews or Israelis.
that seems to be exactly what she is suggesting to me.
Yeah, the plan to cover up so many appalling genocidal tweets from Israelis by turning Hebrew translation off backfired on him somewhat when people started posting translations anyway.
Streisand effect and all that.
lol she literally said that people learned the wrong things from Holocaust education because it makes them oppose the "big strong Israeli" wreaking "carnage" on "emaciated Palestinians."like, what is right lesson from the Holocaust then? that its ok when Israel does it? (obviously thats what she and Zionists believe). she even laments that Holocaust education raises awareness
She means, without perhaps being altogether conscious of her own prejudice, that the Holocaust was only bad because it affected Jews, that other races don't count and that if Israel wants to go full Nazi against bothersome Arabs that's absolutely fine and no one should question it.
She means, without perhaps being altogether conscious of her own prejudice, that the Holocaust was only bad because it affected Jews, that other races don't count and that if Israel wants to go full Nazi against bothersome Arabs that's absolutely fine and no one should question it.
this is what I took from it too. truly stunning admission.
She means, without perhaps being altogether conscious of her own prejudice, that the Holocaust was only bad because it affected Jews, that other races don't count and that if Israel wants to go full Nazi against bothersome Arabs that's absolutely fine and no one should question it.
If that’s what you took from what she said you might have some inherent prejudices.
No I mean against Jews. As far as I could tell she didn’t say anything about murdering children. That looks to be your own personal spin.
Regardless, this is a very innocuous statement that’s only being amplified by bots when you search it on Twitter.
And you realize the Holocaust was less than 100 years ago and Rafiki and Mets may have personally known Holocaust survivors (possibly close family members). So of course to them “never again” specifically refers to Jews.
It’s funny engaging with these people because it’s so obvious this issue exists entirely online for them. I wonder if you’ve ever spoken to someone in real life who doesn’t see eye to eye with you on this.
